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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 4:37:19 PM   
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Silliness...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:08:56 PM   
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No one around... everyone must be watching "Troops" ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:17:47 PM   
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"Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? What you gonna do for the camera crew?"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:31:04 PM   
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" "Troops" is filmed on location with the men of the Imperial Forces. All suspects are guilty... period. Otherwise, they wouldn't be suspect, would they?"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:35:25 PM   
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There's a big, fat fly buzzing around my apartment. I'm a little leery of trying to kill it, because I think it would just take the flyswatter away and go after me with it. The thing's the size of a B-25!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:36:17 PM   
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There's a big, fat fly buzzing around my apartment. I'm a little leery of trying to kill it, because I think it would just take the flyswatter away and go after me with it. The thing's the size of a B-25!



Lure it next to your computer and start a NikMod - the flak will get it...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:39:45 PM   
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BTW - what is Nik up to? i've seen him listed as being on the forum, but he has been avoiding The Thread of late ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 5:40:58 PM   
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Think he's either doing the next version of NikMod, testing the next WitP patch, or both.

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LOG SPEAKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - 6/19/2006 5:48:08 PM   
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Think he's either doing the next version of NikMod, testing the next WitP patch, or both.


Yes, and Yes.

+ new job still working into and just finished my final exam. I now enjoy ONE glorious week of NO schoolwork before the new quarter starts.

I'm goin to Disneyland.



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The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 5:49:24 PM   
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Think he's either doing the next version of NikMod, testing the next WitP patch, or both.


Yes, and Yes.

+ new job still working into and just finished my final exam. I now enjoy ONE glorious week of NO schoolwork before the new quarter starts.

I'm goin to Disneyland.




Ooooh, one whole week... Wanna hear how long my vacation is?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:05:01 PM   
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Monday mornin' tithe.

Think the army's new ad campaign will work?




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RE: The LOG goes sailing. - 6/19/2006 6:06:14 PM   
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happy happy
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happy happy
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THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 6:10:29 PM   
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Steeempy...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:14:07 PM   
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Just found this picture on the web. Must have been a Monday mornin' for this Maruder crew also.




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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:16:10 PM   
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Yikes! Looks like my last flight with Southwestern Airlines...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/19/2006 6:17:14 PM   
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Reennn.......

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:18:16 PM   
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Just found this picture on the web. Must have been a Monday mornin' for this Maruder crew also.





That must be the fly in T's apt. Looks like T winged him........


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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:19:59 PM   
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Just found this picture on the web. Must have been a Monday mornin' for this Maruder crew also.





That must be the fly in T's apt. Looks like T winged him........





Looks like NikMod scores again!

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:24:05 PM   
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Yikes! Looks like my last flight with Southwestern Airlines...

Did the engine fall off?

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:40:18 PM   
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Yikes! Looks like my last flight with Southwestern Airlines...

Did the engine fall off?



Merely felt like it (i think) !

EDIT - i am referring to my SWA flight...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 6:40:31 PM   
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Yep. Pic IIRC was taken in ETO.....plane suffered a direct hit from an 88mm shell......and yes.....fly at 6000 feet when there alot of AA guns around and you will see alot of that.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:20:20 PM   
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Yep. Pic IIRC was taken in ETO.....plane suffered a direct hit from an 88mm shell......and yes.....fly at 6000 feet when there alot of AA guns around and you will see alot of that.

Know what happened to the crew? Were they able to bail out? It's doubtful the pilot could recover from such a critical hit.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:31:45 PM   
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Yep. Pic IIRC was taken in ETO.....plane suffered a direct hit from an 88mm shell......and yes.....fly at 6000 feet when there alot of AA guns around and you will see alot of that.

Know what happened to the crew? Were they able to bail out? It's doubtful the pilot could recover from such a critical hit.



Probably it could still fly if the damage is limited to the engine being knocked off, but with
the fire there, the possibility that the wing is going to buckle or fall off is real.

Also, of course, the whole plane probably got sprayed with sprapnel, so who knows what other injuries and damage happened. Even so, the B-26 was pretty rugged and could survive an amazing amount of damage.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:34:13 PM   
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By the looks of it....and given the Maurauder's reputation as a hard plane to fly....i seriously doubt that bird stayed in the air for long.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:35:30 PM   
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Yep. Pic IIRC was taken in ETO.....plane suffered a direct hit from an 88mm shell......and yes.....fly at 6000 feet when there alot of AA guns around and you will see alot of that.

Know what happened to the crew? Were they able to bail out? It's doubtful the pilot could recover from such a critical hit.


Where did you find the pic - we might get a clue from the website in tracking it down...

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:42:56 PM   
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If left to speculate, I would not give the plane a good chance. While everything I have read says that the B-26 could absorb a lot of damage, I have also heard that it was not a forgiving plane. Between the force of an explosion and the torque caused by the loss of an engine, the pilot would have to be one heck of a pilot to level her out. If he did somehow manage to stabalize the plane, i.e. avoid a spin, then maybe the crew at least had a chance to get out.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:45:15 PM   
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Robert,

I found the picture here.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/b26marauder.html

If we could get the name of the plane it might be easy to find out what happened.

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 7:55:00 PM   
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OK - 2 got out:
same pic and another as below at
http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/b-26/b-26_2.asp

"Lt. Ladd Horn was piloting the plane on Five-Zero's left wing. "There was a cluster of four 88mm shells," Ladd says, "and two of them straddled their plane. One burst sheared their right engine completely off its mounting, and the second one blew a large hole in the left side of their fuselage. They held steady for just a moment and then rolled upside-down and began to spin." Cameraman Sgt. Peter Holmes was in the Marauder on Five-Zero's right wing and was aiming a hand-held camera down through the waist window to record the bomb strike when the stricken aircraft flew right into the frame. It was the first aerial photo he had ever taken.

"The blast knocked me out of the turret, and when I found my chest pack, some of the silk was hanging out and the ripcord had been shot off, but I snapped it on," Moscovis says. By now, the plane was spinning down out of control and was completely engulfed by the billowing flames. The fuselage skin was too hot to touch.


Sgt. Peter Holmes took a second picture of the doomed aircraft as it spun down, now enveloped in flames from nose to tail.

"I started crawling back toward the tail to the waist window, when I saw McCluskey pinned under a bunch of flak suits. They were really heavy because of the G-forces, but I dragged the suits off him and got him to the waist window.


There was no gun mounted in the left window, and I helped him go out, head first. We were really low by then, and I knew I had to get out. I squeezed out the waist window, and that's the last thing I remember." As he floated down, McCluskey watched the Marauder below him and saw it hit and explode. He did not see another chute, and he was sure his friend George had been killed along with the rest of the crew.

German soldiers still occupied Toulon, and they found what appeared to be the lifeless body of Sgt. George Moscovis. They stripped him of his dog tags, his watch, an escape kit with $40 in francs and the Bible he had carried on every mission. Then they ordered some French civilians to get rid of the body. The Frenchmen carried Moscovis to a small shed and laid him on a table, naked and covered only by a towel; they began to make a crude casket out of ammunition boxes, and by the time they had finished, it was almost dark. As they eased the body from the table into the coffin, George Moscovis regained consciousness. "They all started to kiss me," Moscovis says. "Then they all began to cry. Then, dammed, if I didn't cry, too."

Germans were still everywhere in the city, and for several days the French Underground risked their lives to protect Moscovis and get him medical help. "About four days later, these free French had got me to a hospital, and they said they had a surprise for me," Moscovis recalls. "Into my room walked Bob McCluskey. I couldn't believe it and neither could he. We both cried like babies; each of us had thought the other was dead."

Allied troops took over Toulon soon afterward, and Moscovis was flown to a hospital in Naples. In addition to the broken ankle the French had put in a cast, he had broken his right elbow and injured his back. He walked with a cane, but he still managed to visit his buddies in the 95th on Sardinia before he was shipped back to the States. "They gave me an MIA box with all my personal belongings. I had been listed as missing in action, and they were going to send the box to my parents.""






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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 8:03:53 PM   
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A clarification for those of you who didn't go to the site:

Moscovis saved McCluskey and pushed him out - McCluskey's chute opened. Moscovis got out - his chute did NOT open and he somehow survived, although he did not have any idea how this happened.

EDITED (i had the wrong savee! )

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RE: The Thread!!! - 6/19/2006 8:07:11 PM   
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Additional edit - i think the second direct hit was behind the cockpit (on the left side) - there is smoke coming from the cockpit, and i doubt the pilot was in condition to do much about what happened.

Out of curiosity, anyone know offhand where the bombadier was usually seated on the B26?

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