Shannon V. OKeets
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The plot thickens. Michael Panzer replied as follows:
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The reserves can be called out in a future DOW phase when the country in question just went to war with a new major power or during the reinforcement phase. The later is common with the US as often by that point the players forget about reserves.
However, Hubert differed:
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It is a classic interpretation, but it is not RAW, please see the recent debate about this point on the mail list.
To sum up, 3 interpretation:
1) strict, you can later ask for reserve when you go to war only
2) common interpretation not supported by RAW: when starting war or at reinforcement phase
3) during the attacker phase of declaring war, then at your own declaring war phase of your choice.
No consensus on the list on this matter. I personnaly prefer the third which is more logical to me.
Hubert
So, it seems we have a difference of opinion on the main list. Steve, what say you?
Also, I'm curious if you have considered generally how you intend to decide on disputed rule interpretations.
Maybe we should create a thread to collect a list of disputed rules so we can decide systematically how MWIF will handle them. I know there are more than a few in debate on the main board, but others have far more expertise in this area.
Peter
These items should be handled one at a time. To ask for a referendum on all the rule ambiguities in RAW will just stir up a hornets nest. Without achieving very much. Most of the issues are on minor points, like this one. It is rare that a player doesn't simply call out all the reserves. Indeed, in the discussion it appears this most often occurs for the US because the players simply forget about the rule. They then try to figurre out how to address the lapse.
Philosophically, the player can call them out at point A, decides not to, then the question is at what points B, C, ... he can call them out. An example would be if Stalin decides to only call up half his reserves. The other half are certainly available, he could have called them out earlier. The judgment on the rule has to be such that the player cannot achieve an undue advantage by delaying some or all the reserves. Reserves come in disrupted if called out immediately. If they are going to be called out in future DOW phases, then they should be disrupted then too. So the sticking point is whether they: (1) simply become regular reinforcements, sitting in the "arrive next turn box" and permitted to be taken as reinforcements or delayed repeatedly, or (2) not.
I haven't investigated how CWIF handled this. I will someday.
I have no strong feelings on this. It is rare. Any benefit gained from delaying the arrival is small. Mostly, I would guess it has to do will wanting to see whether the opponent pushes in one direction or another and positioning the reserves on the battle field better. Or possibly, holding some reserves out for the contingency that another major power declares war - then if they don't, or the situation becomes dire, deciding when the remaining reserves can be placed on the map.
Still, the strict interpretation seems silly. Stalin could have called out the reserves at any time his little heart desired. To insist that RAW be followed to the strictest letter of the text is a legalistic interpretation and has no basis in reality. It strikes me as the kind of thing that comes up when an inadvertent mistake occurs and the opponent uses the faux pas to extract maximum advantage. I once lost a chess game when I killed a fly that had been dive bombing the pieces on the board. My shirt sleeve knock over a piece and my opponent insisted on the rule "touch move" be applied. There was no tournament director, the opponent's position was hopelessly lost, and I refused to move the piece my sleeve had knocked over - I lost on time, when my clock ran out.
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