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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 6:40:38 PM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, Good Idea.....Anyone have "Campaign for North Africa"?

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 6:52:30 PM   
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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 6:53:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love that game. My long time boardgaming partner and I tried it. We got into the second opstage. It was doomed before we started. College, living 150 miles apart, playing by snail mail.....

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 8:06:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I love that game. My long time boardgaming partner and I tried it. We got into the second opstage. It was doomed before we started. College, living 150 miles apart, playing by snail mail.....


I never get beyond reading the rules and admiring the rest of it. Still unpunched.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 8:18:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bilbow
Still unpunched.



If I ever play it again, I'll automate the volumes of paperwork required. Actually, I started to do that. Don't have the time to finish though. WitP sucks all my free time and then some.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 10:19:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, The first thing we do is steal enough trucks to motorize a few regt of infantry. The rest legs it back towards our main supply port. The idea is to prevent a rout of Berti's 10th Army. (A Sir Robin while we wait for Germans to arrive)
It takes quite a bit of work to unscramble the mess the Axis start with. (about 2 cases of Pilsner Urquell )
Then we need to arrange the stockpiling of material and prepare forward bases. (All the while holding the Brits at bay)
It is vital to maintain air superiority. (At least 1 full time air commander)
I like to stick to managing logistics while others define and execute strategy

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 10:26:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mogami

I like to stick to managing logistics while others define and execute strategy


Surprise, surprise. Actually, I like the logistics in CNA too. That and the air game. Back when I last played it (late 70s, early 80s) I tried to figure out a logistics plan for the Axis. I don't believe the Axis can transport everything they receive in their ports to the front with the trucks they begin with.

If I remember correctly, the Allied player is in even worse shape.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 10:40:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, The Allies can motorize enough infantry to support the armour they start with. They get the better formations before the Axis does and if the 10th Army is left hanging the Brits can bite off bits at a time. The Axis pose no threat early on so the Allies can use their supply to maintain little offensive pokes that they then attempt to exploit as newer formations arrive.
Historically is was the transfer of formations from western Desert to Crete and Greece that provided the hole for Rommel to exploit. It's hard to catch the Allies in the same condition in CNA. The Axis really has to count on reformed 10th Army units as time goes by. You cannot win CNA without the Italians.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 10:46:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you Mog. When we started, we got through the first half of the first op stage and had to restart. I (Axis) won the roll and got to move first and closed with and trashed the 7 Armored. Granted I took heavier losses than him, but the Italians have people to spare. We had to restart and give the first turn initiative to the Allies to give them a chance to run.

The one concern with your idea is the requirement to move a significant portion of the Italian troops into Egypt.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 10:58:53 PM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, No the bulk moves towards the rear. They need a lot of reorganizing. What stays to watch the Allies is that small portion that can be motorized.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 11:03:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then I must be getting my games confused. The Gamers DAK requires a certain amount of the 10 Army to move into Egypt.

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RE: Origins - 4/8/2006 11:24:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, To start with you have this large herd of untrained under equipped leg infantry supported by WWI horse drawn or immobile arty with a few odds and ends of light tanks and armored cars. Historically they were ordered to invade eygpt and they moved between 10 to 40 miles and had to halt to wait for supply. while thus over extended they were tore to pieces and then devoured in a rout back to Libya. Most of the formations were destroyed in the process.

I always just cut out this fiasco by moving the bulk back to safety and diggin in while I sort out the units and reform them into more streamline and mobile formations.

Some one has to mind the store against the 10-20k Allied mobile troops that can be disposed for action by the Allied player. Most Allied players expect to be the hounds after the hares and can run into ambush situations where they are suprise by the fighting quality of the Italian troops. (They are quite good when properly supported and not too much is required of them)

Right from the very first you collect trucks and motorize a flying arty unit as well as mortor machine gun anti tank and finally supporting infantry and engineer units. Adding in the various tank and armor car units you have a rather cumbersome Tank division. The good news is it is more effective then the Allied players are willing to concede before meeting it along the coast.

Use the regular infantry early on (The CCNN can provide good troops after they have refitted) I don't stick to the historic formations. I assign a HQ and a leader and then attach units as required. don't panic and don't hurry. (but go as fast as practical)
The 10th Army can be a good Army and provide a solid infantry mass to later operations and a major factor in the mobile formations the Germans will require for the major operations in the campaign. There is no excuse to lose it as fast as historically. (It was pretty much just thrown away)

everything you lose early must be replaced later. everything you save early means that much less required to transport.
ever notice the railroad that runs along the coast? ever notice that a railroad can also be a pipeline for water? (or fuel)
There is a suitable foundation for a logistical network in North Africa but it takes time to organize it.

*-units to motorize
#-herd to retreat
Supreme Commander North Africa
Maresciallo d'Italia Rodolfo Graziani
HQ Tripoli (5th Army)

10th Army

HQ Bardia Generale di Corpo d'Armata Italo Gariboldi

12th Art. Reg *
25th Art Reg *
55th Art. Reg *
10th Bers. Reg *
4 MG Bns *
Comando Carri Armati del Libia

HQ Mechili Generale di Brigata Valentino Babini

II Tank Bns *
V Tank Bns *
3 Bers Reg *
One Motorcycle Bns *
One Art Reg *
2 Anti Tank Co *

XX Corpo d'Armata
HQ Berta Generale di Corpo d'Armata Ferdinando Cona

60 Division Sabratha
85 Inf Reg *
86 Inf Reg *
42 Art Reg *

XXII Corpo d'Armata
HQ Tobruk Generale di Corpo d'Armata Enrico P. Manella

61 Division Sirte
69th Inf Reg *
70th Inf Reg *
43rd Art Reg *
1st Ragruppamento Carristi
I Tank Bns *
XXI Tank Bns *
LXII Tank Bns *
LXIII Tank Bns *

XXIII Corpo d’Armata
HQ Bardia Generale di Corpo d'Armata Annibale Bergonzoli

1st MVSN Div ##
23 Marzo
219th Blackshirt Leg
233rd Blackshirt Leg
201st Art Reg
2nd MVSN Div
28 Ottobre
231st Blackshirt Leg
203rd Blackshirt Leg
202nd Art Reg
62nd Division Marmarica
115th Art Reg
116th Art Reg
44th Art Reg

XXI Corpo d'Armata
HQ Sofafi Generale di Corpo d'Armata Lorenzo Dalmazzo

63rd Division Cirene ##
157th Inf Reg
158th Inf Reg
45th Art Reg
64th Division Catanzaro ##
141st Inf Reg
142nd Inf Reg
203rd Art Reg

Gruppo Divisione Libiche ##
HQ Sidi Barrani Generale di Corpo d'Armata Sebastiano Gallina

1st Division Libica
8th Libyan Inf Bns
9th Libyan Inf Bns
10th Libyan Inf Bns
11th Libyan Inf Bns
12th Libyan Inf Bns
13th Libyan Inf Bns
2nd Division Libica
2nd Libyan Inf Bns
3rd Libyan Inf Bns
6th Libyan Inf Bns
7th Libyan Inf Bns
14th Libyan Inf Bns
15th Libyan Inf Bns
Ragruppamento Malletti
1st Libyan Inf Bns
4th Libyan Inf Bns
5th Libyan Inf Bns
18th Libyan Inf Bns
19th Libyan Inf Bns
4th MVSN Division
3 Gennaio
250th Blackshirt Leg
270th Blackshirt Leg
204th Art Reg
2nd Ragruppamento Carristi *
II Tank Bns
IX Tank Bns
XX Tank Bns
LXI Tank Bns



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RE: Origins - 4/9/2006 2:12:23 AM   
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RE: Origins - 4/9/2006 2:16:31 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, June 29th to July 2nd 2006
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RE: Origins - 4/9/2006 7:44:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		We'll be at Origins in force as usual, looking forward to seeing you all there! Stop by the booth and introduce yourselves, please.

Regards,

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