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RE: Family Members - 4/18/2006 6:10:44 PM   
Speedysteve

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/18/2006 6:19:17 PM   
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RE: Family Members - 4/18/2006 9:29:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing I noticed was how often he flew. Looked like it was nearly everyday. My crews would be useless by now.

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RE: Family Members - 4/18/2006 11:48:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting your dad's log books really interesting - not many a dull day there!!

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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 1:01:09 AM   
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too many people forget

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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 4:31:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jjb17463rd

Thanks everyone.I'm sorry if I posted too many pictures.


Too many pictures? Impossible!

Those pictures and logbook pages are real treasures, and I sure appreciate you sharing them with us. If you have more I'd enjoy seeing those, too.


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Sadly though they just cancelled B17 III The legend Returns.


Shockwave's remake may be dead, but there may be something else brewing. Take a look at the posts here:

http://www.bombs-away.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16232&page=1&pp=25

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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 4:43:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for sharing jjb17463rd.

Real treat IMHO.

And I want to extend to you my thanks for your Dad's service to the US.

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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 8:29:07 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks again.I'll share a few more photos.Mom was a rosie the riviter and married to my father in 1944.She worked in a subcontractor plant riviting the Dorsel fins on
B-17's.She also worked on the thicker skinned B-29 Super forts.
You might want to ask the people in the http://www.armyairforces.com forum if they would like their family member to be in this wargame.It would be great to have real personel in the game as much as possible to make it especially realistic.I can however understand why some families would not want their family member in the game though because of bad memories.
I already had the previous 12 O Clock high Bombing the Reich strategy game by Talonsoft as well as Battle of Britain.It reminded me a lot of what the war planners did as I saw in the original Memphis Belle documentary which is free to download in the public domain at http://www.archive.org
One thing that I noticed in the video was that Brig. General Hansel awarded all the crewmen DFC's.What a coincidence because my dad was General Hansel's personal pilot in the states for a while after he served in the E.T.O

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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 8:30:39 AM   
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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 8:34:06 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		Lassie and her Lads dad's favorite ship although he flew many other ones.
BTW I only posted fathers flight logs that had his combat missions.The rest of his Pilot logbook was huge and went back to Air Cadets in 1942




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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 8:34:57 AM   
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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 8:35:56 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 8:42:58 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		Here is the front page of dad's log book.It's featured on the box and the manual of Shockwave Productions Wings of Power.The other pictures are at my mothers house and I have not scanned them.Dad stayed in an officers tent and outside of it was a unused 250 kg Luftwaffe aircraft bomb.
Well thanks for putting my father in this wargame and I'm looking forward to purchasing it in the future.And thanks everyone for the nice compliments.
I am still not sure what is happening to Shockwaves B17 sim though.Hopefully they will make it.




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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 3:01:18 PM   
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RE: Family Members - 4/19/2006 4:59:24 PM   
langley


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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:05:10 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		I don't have too many more photos guys but here is a story about my dad's Commanding officer Colonel Frank Kurtz 463rd B.G. commander.My dad's squadron commander in the 772nd was Major James Patton.




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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:06:15 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:07:57 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:09:46 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:10:46 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:12:59 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		Here is a Allied newspaper that I think was dropped in Austria.Sorry it's not a complete scan and it's hard to read(if you can read in German of course).




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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:14:03 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 12:28:16 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		Here is a B17 with the 483rd B.G. which was nearby the 463rd B.G. what I liked about this photo was that it was in color and you can even see the red poppies in bloom.
The only difference between the 463rd's markings and the 483rd's markings was that the rudder and elevators on the 463rd's B17's were painted yellow instead of red and they had a different Y on the tail.The engine cowlings were both painted yellow.




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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 2:52:15 AM   
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the game already is set with a CO for the 463rd BG

do you know when he took over ?

I have added a Lt Col Frank Kurtz and Maj James Patton to the 463rd BG

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 3:21:51 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		On the 463rds website it says that Lt.Col Frank Kurtz assumed command of the 463rd B.G. on August 27th 1943 and here is where I found it.
http://www.463rd.com/history.htm

and here are some crew names.
Benjamin Andrews Crew
Charles Ball Crew
Gael Beeler Crew
Jerry Beshoner Crew
Jordan F. Bell Crew
Ed Biga Crew
Leroy Billington Crew
George Blacker Crew
Harvey Brown Crew
Earl Campbell Crew
George Campbell Crew
Paul Candler Crew
Jim Carey Crew
Floyd Cashatt Crew
Thomas Cavanagh Crew
Ken Chapek Crew
Russel Christesen Crew
Anthony Cicconi Crew
Ray Collier Crew
Steve Conway Crew
Lawrence Crebs Crew
Ray Currens Crew
Bob Currier Crew
Al Dawson Crew
Lawrence Dodson Crew
Mike Dunak Crew
Ken Dunkel Crew

Charlie W. E. Elliott Crew
Rob Erwin Crew
Frank Evans Crew
John Erickson Crew

Merle Farley Crew
Wayne Ferguson Crew
Ullman Fortenberry Crew

Hart Crew
Hatcher Crew
Haumesser Crew
Hewitt Crew
Hill Crew
Holloway Crew
Horn Crew
Hoyt Crew

Jackson Crew
Jacobsen Crew
Jarmon Crew
Henry Jernigan Crew
Johnson Crew

Kelly Crew
King Crew
Kruse Crew
Kurtz Crew
Lewenstein Crew
Little Crew
Mandly Crew
Mankowski Crew
McAllister Crew
McMurray Crew
Mendelsohn Crew
Jack Mitchell Crew
Paul Mitchell Crew
Moore Crew
Mudge Crew
O'Driscoll Crew
Parman Crew
Patton Crew
Payment Crew
Pixler Crew
Porter Crew
Romano Crew
Ryan Crew
Leo Schwartz Crew
Frank Sclafani Crew
Sebilius Crew
Robert Shinnick Crew
Bernard Smith Crew
William Snyder Crew
Carl Sorenson Crew
Spencer Crew
Ralpd (Bud) Stadler Crew
James Stefel Crew
Alva Stein Crew
Tom Stevenson Crew
Adrian Swain Crew
Ray Swanson Crew
Roy Swindelhurst Crew
William Taft Crew
Paul Taylor Crew
Art Teele Crew
Frank Tellis Crew
Ted Thomas Crew
Tipton Crew
Jim Toner Crew

Louis Voisinet Crew
J.J. Vos Crew
Jefferson L. Walker Crew
Neal Wallace Crew
Martin Walsh Crew
Daniel Watson Crew
Bernard Wetta Crew
Thomas Wiley Crew
Edward Will Crew
Herbert Williams Crew
Garrett Williamso Crew
Keith Winder Crew
Donald Wise Crew
Bernard Woodward Crew
Louis Yanez Crew

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 3:57:04 AM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Ah okay thanks for the site, that clears up some info for me

the older inputtered, had put the begining interm CO in charge (E.H. Stambaugh) which about a week/10 days later Frank Kurtz took over

I will fix this in the morning after work

it will let me give him his correct rank too !

looks like I can add in a number of the pilots from this group also

(I will try and use the crew names for filler slots)

thanks

any other sites :)


OKay Col Frank Kurtz is in charge of the 463rd BG





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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 4:17:48 AM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Status: offline 		Here is the 483rd B.G. website they went on some missions together with the 463rd
And they have a list of crew names too.

http://www.483rd.com/squadron.html

Also look in the links section of the 483rds website they have links to other U.S. Army Air Force bomb groups

the http://www.armyairforces.com forum would be great to find out info from about crewmembers and staff officers to obtain real names

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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 4:21:44 AM   
Hard Sarge


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Status: offline 		Thank you, got them saved

my fingers are going to get sore :)

that one looks good for some other things I have been looking for :)

ahhh, time for work



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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 5:26:39 PM   
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how's it look ?






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RE: Family Members - 4/20/2006 11:27:16 PM   
jjb17463rd

 

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Now here I think are the other squadron C.O.'s in the 463rd.However I'm not 100% sure because their history link and staff link are somewhat confusing
773rd C.O. Maj Dodge Dean
774rd C.O. Maj Emerson Tolle or Capt Carroll L'Ecluse
775th C.O. Capt Robert H. Allyn
772nd C.O. Lt. Col Harry Robb or Major James Patton


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