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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 1:35:37 AM   
Andrew Brown


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ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

CHS changed the command slots around to make India Command a restricted command. I believe CHS used the New Zealand Command slot in order to do so. Thus all the return to main base buttons wind up as defaulting to Aukland because the buttons are tied to the slot and not where the command actually is.


That's correct. So the "Return to Auckland" button is a result of that change. I have thought about swapping Auckland with an Indian port to get around this, but Auckland is a default base for NZ reinforcements, so we might end up having NZ LCUs appearing in India if they are swapped. SO I have left it alone.

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 1:37:13 AM   
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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 2:20:46 AM   
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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 7:22:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm. I've noticed after installing your map version 6.1 and CHS 2B that Luganville in the New Hebrides now has an airfield SPS of 0(0). The map mod documents for verion 6.1 state it should be 1(3).

Is 0(0) correct?

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 8:59:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Found 33rd and 31st Divisions at Shanghai. Both belong to the Burma Area Army. 33rd is marching to Raheng in Burma(1380 miles away). 31st is prepping for Shanghai and not marching anywhere.

Is this correct?

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 9:34:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheElf

Found 33rd and 31st Divisions at Shanghai. Both belong to the Burma Area Army. 33rd is marching to Raheng in Burma(1380 miles away). 31st is prepping for Shanghai and not marching anywhere.

Is this correct?


The 33rd Div has always been that way in CHS. As for the 33rd, I think this is a fault, as according to Joe's notes the division should arrive in 1943, which is the case in the old CHS as well. I will have to get confirmation from Joe about the 31st.

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 9:35:40 AM   
Andrew Brown


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ORIGINAL: Nami Koshino

Hmm. I've noticed after installing your map version 6.1 and CHS 2B that Luganville in the New Hebrides now has an airfield SPS of 0(0). The map mod documents for verion 6.1 state it should be 1(3).

Is 0(0) correct?


Besides a few bases in the US mainland, I have identified Luganville, Efate and Davao as needing base size revision for 2.04.

Andrew

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/21/2006 3:03:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheElf

Found 33rd and 31st Divisions at Shanghai. Both belong to the Burma Area Army. 33rd is marching to Raheng in Burma(1380 miles away). 31st is prepping for Shanghai and not marching anywhere.

Is this correct?


As Andrew says below, the 33rd has been this way in CHS for sometime (since 1.02 anyway). The 33rd arrived (piecemeal) in Thailand via transport convoys (2 Regiments concentrated by 20 Jan 42 at what on the game map is roughly Raheng). The Japanese player would be advised to consider shipping the 33rd I.D. to its destination and perhaps we should "pre-cancel" the marching orders. They cannot be executed anyway, given the ownership of the inervening terrain.

As to the 31st, this division consists of the 58th I.R. of the 13th I.D. and the 138th I.R. of the 116th I.D. as cadres. Given the limitations of the game engine, we decided to bring the 31st in early but place it in "organizing status" (note that the division is 90% disrupted). This means that the 31st can probably repair itself up to the point where it can perform combat operations before the historical date of Mar 43, but given that it contains 2 regiments as cadre, this gives it some latent combat capability not normally present in 1 regiment cadre divisions. So allowing it to start on map gives some representation to the presence of these 2 regiments.

The 71st I.D. is the other case. The 71st starts on map even though it was not fully ready for deployment until April 42. It contains the 140 I.R. of the 110th I.D. as its cadre. It is also in "organizing" status at the start.



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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - 6/22/2006 8:51:27 PM   
Seeadler


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Status: offline 		H.M.S. Warspite in Seattle on 11/08/1941.

Is this correct?

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - 6/22/2006 8:59:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Seeadler

H.M.S. Warspite in Seattle on 11/08/1941.

Is this correct?


From the CHS 2.00 revision notes:

61. HMS Warspite now begins the scenario in Seattle, with a small amount of SYS damage. HMS Warspite was in Seattle finishing repairs at the start of the Pacific war, and later sailed to India via Australia in early 1942.

http://www.bur.st/~akbrown/witp/SCEN/CHS_revisions.html

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/24/2006 10:42:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		A question for jwilkerson......

If experienced regiments were pulled from the 13th, 116th and 110th divisions to create the 31st and 71st divisions shouldnt the 13th, 116th and 110th divisions be reduced in regards to assault value and experience to reflect this?

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/25/2006 2:32:18 PM   
Andrew Brown


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Status: offline 		I have now updated the CHS scenario(s) to version 2.04.

Here is the list of changes:

Changes in CHS Revision 2.04

  1. Daily fuel, oil and supply levels of Aden adjusted to more correct levels.
  2. Luganville, Efate, Davao and several bases on the US mainland had some errors in their base or SPS values. Fixed.
  3. The "Mongolian Cavalry Division" is now assigned to Kwantung Army, as the numbered Mongolian Cavalry divisions already are.
  4. The Japanese Mongol Army HQ, arriving 440701, is now also assigned to Kwantung Army.
  5. All LCUs assigned to ABDA command, and all LCUs in Malaya, have had their starting morale values reduced by 5.
  6. The Philippine 93rd Reserve Regiment had Changsha as its planning target. Fixed.
  7. The availability date of the Spitfire Vb is now 1/43 instead of 6/42, and its build rate has been decreased from 40 to 30.
  8. The production rate of the Spitfire VIII has been increased from 40 to 50.
  9. The G4M2 Betty aircraft is now using the correct bitmap number (28 instead of 76).
  10. The 431st, 432nd and 433rd US Army fighter squadrons now appear as reinforcements in Brisbane on 430701, and with only 2 aircraft (P-38G) per squadron. The starting experience of these squadrons has also been increased from 55 to 65.
  11. No.607 Squadron RAF added, arriving at Aden on 420615, equpped with Hurricane IIb aircraft.
  12. The availability date of the SB2C Helldiver is now 8/43 instead of 1/43. Although it was first assigned to squadrons in early 1943 there were problems with thei aircraft and delays in their deployment. The production rate has been increased from 200 to 240 to compensate for this later availability.
  13. HMAS Kanimbla (6640) was mis-spelled "Kanimba". Fixed.


CHS is available for download from the CHS Download page at my WitP website.

As always, many thanks to those who have picked up errors in the scenario, and to those who are helping to host the various files.

Andrew



< Message edited by Andrew Brown -- 6/25/2006 2:33:11 PM >

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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/25/2006 2:35:23 PM   
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A question for jwilkerson......

If experienced regiments were pulled from the 13th, 116th and 110th divisions to create the 31st and 71st divisions shouldnt the 13th, 116th and 110th divisions be reduced in regards to assault value and experience to reflect this?


They were each reduced by losing their 4th regiment to the triangularization process.



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RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/25/2006 3:27:15 PM   
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  • The 431st, 432nd and 433rd US Army fighter squadrons now appear as reinforcements in Brisbane on 430701, and with only 2 aircraft (P-38G) per squadron. The starting experience of these squadrons has also been increased from 55 to 65.


    • Is that increase just for the two pilots? The rest will draw from the pool?



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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/25/2006 6:25:13 PM   
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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/25/2006 8:40:39 PM   
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    Status: offline     		It appears as if all the Allied LCUs outside of China have had all their "future objective " points removed.

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/26/2006 12:23:37 PM   
    Andrew Brown


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    ORIGINAL: AdmSpruance

    It appears as if all the Allied LCUs outside of China have had all their "future objective " points removed.


    Well, I have found that in my enthusiasm to clean up the planning targets I removed the planning for two Australia Independent companies, but everything else looks OK so far. The Chinese, Soviets and fixed CD units all look OK. If you think there is another problem with the planning for the Allied LCUs please let me know.

    Andrew

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/26/2006 6:34:44 PM   
    Seeadler


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    Status: offline     		Will there be a v2.05 with any major corrections? I will start a game against the AI soon but I don't want to start over and over again.

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/26/2006 7:20:50 PM   
    worr

     

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/27/2006 2:20:25 AM   
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    Status: offline     		I started a capaign with 2.0 and dropped it due to the very low levels of daily supply at Aden. I retarted one at 2.02. I think I will maintain this one unless someone finds a game-breaking error. AB said the 10,000 HI at United States shouldn't be a problem. The changes in 2.04 are nice, but don't seem worth it to dump my current campaign.

    So far, so good {againts the Japanese AI}. Singapore stringbags have torped an impressive number of transports, but the AI has been aggressive in beating Singapore down and I've moved them out. The Dutch put a 250 pounder into Zuikaku, KXII a torp into Haruna, Fuso hit a mine and Tarpon put a torp {that actually exploded!!!} into Mutsu. Lots of {player} morale raises if little actual damage done.

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.03 - 6/27/2006 7:31:11 AM   
    Andrew Brown


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    ORIGINAL: Seeadler

    Will there be a v2.05 with any major corrections? I will start a game against the AI soon but I don't want to start over and over again.


    There will be a 2.05 very soon, as I did make an error whan I "cleaned" up the LCU planning target mess back in 2.00-2.01. A number of Allied LCUs in the Philippines, Malaya and the DEI accidentally had their planning points removed, and I have now had to reinstate them. I would class this as "annoying" rather than game-breaking, but it does provide an advantage to the Japanese in the early stages of the war.

    Andrew

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/27/2006 10:49:59 AM   
    Andrew Brown


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    Status: offline     		The CHS scenarios are now updated to 2.05. I am hoping that I have finally managed to clean up the problems with the planning targets. All of which came about, I think, when I used the editor to move some LCUs around. Don't do that!

    Here are the changes added to 2.05:

    Changes in CHS Revision 2.05

    1. In the LCU target cleanup done for CHS 2.02, Allied LCUs that had planning values greater than 0, but had no target set, had their planning values set to 0. This was mistaken, however, as the program defaults to "own base" if the planning target for an LCU is not set. This meant that some Allied mobile LCUs in the Philippines, Malaya and the DEI did not have their proper planning values and targets set. This has now been corrected.
    2. All Dutch coastal gun regiments and garrison units in the DEI now have planning targets set to their own base, and planning values of 25. Previously, some of these LCUs had 50 planning points for their own base, and the others had 0.
    3. 33rd Japanese Division planning target changed from Rahaeng (already Japanese controlled) to Rangoon.
    4. The Tribal class DD HMAS Bataan added to the scenario in CHS 2.00 has been removed, as it is already in the CHS database (ship 3714).


    The scenarios are available from my CHS Download web page.

    As always, please let me know if you find further problems.

    Andrew


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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/27/2006 4:34:18 PM   
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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/28/2006 2:11:12 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Played 2.04 experimental version against IJ AI until Feb 42 now and I must say looks good. Somehow I think AI is bit better organized in it's attack, even though I have been able to slow it down about a month from historical dates here and there. Is it because of returning to original slots with units ? I take there were lot of hard-coded scripting to allow historical attacks for Japanese AI ?

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/28/2006 3:39:18 PM   
    Andrew Brown


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    Played 2.04 experimental version against IJ AI until Feb 42 now and I must say looks good. Somehow I think AI is bit better organized in it's attack, even though I have been able to slow it down about a month from historical dates here and there. Is it because of returning to original slots with units ? I take there were lot of hard-coded scripting to allow historical attacks for Japanese AI ?


    I definitely think that is a factor. I don't think the slot numbers of LCUs were taken into consideration in the old CHS scenarios, but I have tried to restore as many as possible to their original positions this time around.

    Andrew

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/28/2006 5:46:33 PM   
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    Status: offline     		V2.05:

    Ship Class 1356 (AVD Ballard, 4/43) upgrades to 1325 (APD Manley, 3/44).

    Ship Class 1327 (PG Taney, 2/44) upgrades to 1328 (Treasury AGC, 11/44). Not sure about this one.

    Pontianak (BaseID 500) has ABDA as Command HQ, but "Commonwealth" as nationality?

    Bagui (BaseID 322) and Lucena (BaseID 323) are the only bases with "Philipines" (sic!) as nationality.

    --------

    I started messing around with the Datase Editor and have a question: there are 20 wpn-slots for each entry in "Ships" and "Classes". I assume that the wpn-entries in "Ships" override the entries in "Classes" in case a ship has a different equipment than the class default. But what happens after the first upgrade? Do all ships revert to the standard equipment of their class? Is there no room for variation left after the first upgrade?


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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/29/2006 12:25:59 AM   
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    Status: offline     		The following ship classes have duplicate radar devices (not sure if this is correct, just pointing it out):

    ID      Type     Name              Available           Radar Devices
    1219   BB        Colorado         1942.04             SC Radar, SC Radar
    1214   BB        New Mexico     1942.10             SC Radar, SC Radar
    1217   BB        Tennessee      1942.04             SC Radar, SC Radar
    1552   SS        Tench              1945.01             SJ Radar, SJ Radar
    158     SS        Type STS         1945.05             Type 22 Radar, Snorkel, Type 13 Radar, Type 22 Radar
    571     DD        Hatsuharu       1943.09             Type 22 Radar, Type 22 Radar

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/29/2006 1:32:06 AM   
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    Status: offline     		They're meant to have that. The ships had more than one radar set in real life, and the two separate mounts prevent both being knocked out by a single hit.

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/29/2006 2:04:51 AM   
    Andrew Brown


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    ORIGINAL: Terminus

    They're meant to have that. The ships had more than one radar set in real life, and the two separate mounts prevent both being knocked out by a single hit.


    That may be the case for the BBs (and for the Japanese DD? not sure), but I think in the case of the subs this is an error, and the duplicate sets should be removed.

    Andrew

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    RE: CHS Scenario update now available - version 2.05 - 6/29/2006 2:09:41 AM   
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    ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

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    ORIGINAL: Terminus

    They're meant to have that. The ships had more than one radar set in real life, and the two separate mounts prevent both being knocked out by a single hit.



    That may be the case for the BBs (and for the Japanese DD? not sure), but I think in the case of the subs this is an error, and the duplicate sets should be removed.

    Andrew



    Tench class came with "SD/SK air search radar, SJ surface search, ST periscope radar"

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