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simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 6:49:04 AM   
akw4572

 

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Status: offline 		Where is the option to "simulate historical pitcher era" and can I change an association over once it has started to this option to get accurate CG's in the early 1900's?
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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 6:57:35 AM   
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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 6:59:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I saw these options when I created my association, and I did do them.  Anyway to bump up CG's?

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 7:13:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: akw4572

I think I saw these options when I created my association, and I did do them.  Anyway to bump up CG's?


Yes, if you wanna experiment with altering the XML.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 2:25:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually this is an area that has gotten some attention with the beta patches. You can have a look here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1170905

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 2:53:34 PM   
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Actually this is an area that has gotten some attention with the beta patches. You can have a look here:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1170905


I'm good up to 1.18, I think the most CG's I had in 1901 was about 15, and only had 1-2 pitchers over 300 IP. I'm running a sim through 1920 today, I'll let you know how it ends up.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 11:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've gotten through 1920, and very few pitchers have thrown over 300 innings (2). One guy had 301.1, and one guy had 300 exactly. It was well the norm to throw way over 300 and sometimes 400 in the early 20th century, so the dead ball xml may need some tweaking.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/2/2006 11:18:10 PM   
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< Message edited by SittingDuck -- 7/2/2006 11:19:17 PM >

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 1:15:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		IMO this is still the one area that is lacking in Historical Sims. Right now I think the number of complete games in the DB era is about half what it should be so I hope you can look at this further Shaun. Pretty much every other detail in terms of Deadball era simulations is pretty solid though....thanks again for your constant updates in response to these forums.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 1:42:44 AM   
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IMO this is still the one area that is lacking in Historical Sims. Right now I think the number of complete games in the DB era is about half what it should be so I hope you can look at this further Shaun. Pretty much every other detail in terms of Deadball era simulations is pretty solid though....thanks again for your constant updates in response to these forums.


Agreed, I'm seeing very good stats on offense in accordance with the era.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 5:11:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just finished up to 1925, and offensive stats are dropping off quite a bit.  Real life during the time period, BA's were up in the 280's and 290's and I'm seeing consistently in the 220's with era's in the 2.3 to 2.4 range for the entire league. Anyone have any tips?

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 5:41:56 AM   
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j/k

I pretty much everything in my mid-60's league, stat-wise, except the CG stats (and correspondingly, the IPs, but not as bad).

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 3:49:50 PM   
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Just finished up to 1925, and offensive stats are dropping off quite a bit.  Real life during the time period, BA's were up in the 280's and 290's and I'm seeing consistently in the 220's with era's in the 2.3 to 2.4 range for the entire league. Anyone have any tips?


I am going off of a fictional league here, so this may not help much but...

I have actually seen BA's go up during the 20's, as well as offensive production overall. ERA's are up, and CG's are down (although probably too low considering that the dead ball era CG's were already low.)


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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 3:52:41 PM   
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Just finished up to 1925, and offensive stats are dropping off quite a bit. Real life during the time period, BA's were up in the 280's and 290's and I'm seeing consistently in the 220's with era's in the 2.3 to 2.4 range for the entire league. Anyone have any tips?


I am going off of a fictional league here, so this may not help much but...

I have actually seen BA's go up during the 20's, as well as offensive production overall. ERA's are up, and CG's are down (although probably too low considering that the dead ball era CG's were already low.)




Mine's fictional as well.........wonder what gives. I'm simming up to 1945 overnight, have to see what came up when it's done.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 4:03:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like to add, good to hear that some folks are getting offensive stats in the 20's, and I hope mind improves over time, or I may just have had a few years of statistical anamoly which isn't all bad by any means either.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 5:07:47 PM   
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I'd like to add, good to hear that some folks are getting offensive stats in the 20's, and I hope mind improves over time, or I may just have had a few years of statistical anamoly which isn't all bad by any means either.


I am curious as to what you HR's and RBI's have looked like (for the league leaders) through the 20's and how that compares to before that decade?

My HR's were low, but I appear to finally be coming out of the 'dead ball' era as homers are on the rise. Still haven't hit the 30 mark for a guy but compared to 6-8 for the league leader 10 years earlier I am just happy to see the rise right now. (I am in 1931 and have not adjusted the sliders at all). RBI's is one thing I have always thought was a little odd, since I am just now starting to get guys to go over the 100 RBI mark, and that is 1-2 guys a year in the whole league. Seems like RBI's just get spread around a bunch.

But yeah, as I said, offense is definetly up for me overall compared to the first 20 years of the league. I started in 1902.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 5:14:33 PM   
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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 5:55:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to try and copy and paste, my numbers have come up a tad, but not enough yet.

Won't copy and paste........but in 1937, ba's high 230's, low 240's, era's high 2.8, and the other league 3.06. Season leader in HR's all time is 25, career 173.




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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 7:37:16 PM   
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I'm going to try and copy and paste, my numbers have come up a tad, but not enough yet.

Won't copy and paste........but in 1937, ba's high 230's, low 240's, era's high 2.8, and the other league 3.06. Season leader in HR's all time is 25, career 173.






Thanks. Here is some info for my career, I have two numbers for eac category to show the two leagues #'s.

1902 - League BA .257/.256 League ERA 2.99/3.06
1916 - .243/.244 and 2.64/2.54
1930 - .251/.250 and 3.51/3.47

HR record for a season is 25, just set in my last year finished, 1930. All top 5 HR leaders where from 1930 actually, with the rest of the top guys from the 20's.

Keep in mind what your stadiums are also. That is one thing I did do, was shorten up a distances to the right/left field walls. I didn't go crazy, but I figured having 360 to the left field wall that stands 10 feet was a thing my league would move away from in the 20's.

That may have had some impact on my numbers I am sure. Other then that, I have not touched the sliders or anyting else.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/3/2006 10:35:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've not touched sliders either. When I do play in fast sim (for every game so far, as this is a test league), I click on the option to have neutral parks. I'm up to the middle of '43 now, building the almanac, I'll post what I've got.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/4/2006 12:59:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I'm still getting numbers too low..........

League 1 (1930-1942): .236/2.81, .231/2.77, .235/2.74, .230/2.66, .243/3.01, .240/2.99, .241/2.95, .237/2.90, .231/2.77, .232/2.87

League 2: .227/2.74, .229/2.72, .229/2.71, .237/2.94, .239/2.89, .234/2.81, .236/2.86, .237/2.86, .241/3.06, .239/.286, .239/3.02, .235/2.94

Wonder what gives???? AND, the guy that has the highest 4 season of single season HR's was drafted at the age of 30?? Is that common in fictional leagues?

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/4/2006 1:49:54 AM   
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Ok, I'm still getting numbers too low..........

League 1 (1930-1942): .236/2.81, .231/2.77, .235/2.74, .230/2.66, .243/3.01, .240/2.99, .241/2.95, .237/2.90, .231/2.77, .232/2.87

League 2: .227/2.74, .229/2.72, .229/2.71, .237/2.94, .239/2.89, .234/2.81, .236/2.86, .237/2.86, .241/3.06, .239/.286, .239/3.02, .235/2.94

Wonder what gives???? AND, the guy that has the highest 4 season of single season HR's was drafted at the age of 30?? Is that common in fictional leagues?


Well, not sure why your offense is still down. That's odd.

As for the 30 year old being drafted, it is kind of common. There is usually a 28-31 year old every year it seems, and he usually is already a pretty good player. I kind of look at it as a foriegn player being drafted......

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/4/2006 2:15:51 AM   
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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/4/2006 3:45:18 AM   
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You gotta factor in the parks, too, IMHO. The historical parks had a huge effect on stats, much more so than today, BUT, with the advent of the "new-old" park designs, which have restored built-in quirks, that may change.




When I autosim, I check the box and make all the parks neutral.

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RE: simulate hitorical pitchers - 7/4/2006 4:19:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		It may be a fictional player issue.  I started in 1920 was real players.  In 1925 the league average was 275, by 1930 it was 283 and in 1933 it was 293.

I have 3 60 home run seasons, 2 by Babe Ruth and 1 from Wally Berger (1932).  Mel Ott has the only other 40 HR season in 1931.  I have put the teams in their real ball parks except for the Yankees who are in a current version of Yankee Stadium instead of the older version that had the deep center field.

If I can figure it out, I'll try to post my almanac online.

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