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Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 7:55:44 PM   
Glorfindel

 

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Status: offline 		Hello! I am a complete newbie so this is probably a stupid question....

When I play the Korea-tutorial a strange thing happens: sometimes after having put the mouse-cursor over an enemy unit and the attack cursor appears and I press the right mouse button the attack is carried out right away ,that is, there is no window with the menu to choose Single Unit Attack and Single Group Attack, limited attack, plan attack etc? I have tried reloading on a number of occasions and sometimes the menu appears and sometimes the attack comes right away without me having any chance to set the conditions?! Is this a bug or have I misunderstood something here?

Thanks in advance!

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 8:00:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is what is called a "retreat before combat". Do a search on the term in the manual, to get more information on what causes this effect. Hope you're enjoying the game!

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 8:02:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think its a bug.  I'm a newb too but I think if you have a strong unit you're going to use against a defending unit that has a low defensive rating; they run or retreat one hex back because they have no way of defending effectively.  (I'm sure there's other factors involved like terrain, etc.  ... I'm sure others will chime in soon)

I didn't  know this at first either ... but once you understand this you can look at the units defending against you and pick on the ones with low defensive numbers (1 or 2) attack them pushing them back which can open up holes for your guys to flow through.

Hope that helps ... 1st time I offered an answer ... guess I'm getting bold now that I've played a couple of weeks now.

later

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 8:19:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		That´s what is called immediate support what was it 30 sec??? If I have understood you correctly this means that when attacking a vastly inferior unit you can´t really be sure to plan the order of attacks since there is a good chance the attack is carried out right away if the unit breaks away before combat? You never get the chance to coordinate the attack since you never get access to "the plan attack window"? This seems a bit odd but I guess there´s something to it...

Yes, I really enjoy what I´ve seen so far except for the fact that I think the "2D large viewing option" is far too small! I have a hard time seeing the text and numbers in native resolution 1280*1024 on my monitor!

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 8:26:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks! Managing your RBC's (sometimes called "overruns") is an important aspect of successful TOAW III play. Your units that successfully RBC enemy units do not pay the penalty for eZOC's or suffer disengagement attacks moving through the eZOC's, and can be able to support flanking attacks against other enemy units in the line, earlier in the turn. Alternately, they can continue pursuing those fleeing units and use this to penetrate to the enemy rear.

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 8:45:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you explain it I don´t think it´s odd anymore  About the "small" units is there anyway around it? I´ve tried lower resolution on the monitor which makes the units bigger but then (when not in native) the picture gets a bit fuzzy. Do you know if a "larger 2d map view" is under consideration for future patches? I think that would be a big improvement not so much from an aestethic but rather functional point of view !

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 9:38:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Glorfindel

I´ve tried lower resolution on the monitor which makes the units bigger but then (when not in native) the picture gets a bit fuzzy. Do you know if a "larger 2d map view" is under consideration for future patches? I think that would be a big improvement not so much from an aestethic but rather functional point of view !

There's been "talk" about it, but unless someone steps forth to blow up the existing large 2d graphic files, and smooth out all the jaggies that will show up when they are double-scaled, that's likely all it will remain...just talk.

I hear that there is an enterprising young man in Itally that does some pretty good graphics work. Maybe someone could convince him to do it...?

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 10:08:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		just ive us a full view of the small mini-map in a pop-up window, that would be enough for a quick overview of the entire strategic situation.

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 10:08:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		just give us a full view of the small mini-map in a pop-up window, that would be enough for a quick overview of the entire strategic situation.


--<< EDIT >>--
The double post was intentional to boost my post count

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/7/2006 10:49:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Glorfindel
You never get the chance to coordinate the attack since you never get access to "the plan attack window"?

There is a way to over come a defending unit’s “retreat before combat” and force the unit to take casualties defending.

Move both a ground unit and artillery unit into attacking positions. Select the artillery’s “Plan Attack” window. The artillery unit, and any available ground units will appear in the “Plan Attack” window and allow you to plan a combined ground and artillery attack without the unit immediately retreating. If you like, after the attack in planned you can disengage the artillery from direct attack and redeploy it for attacks elsewhere or general support fire.

Never performed a comprehensive test to see if the defending unit is inflicted with heavier casualties by using this method, but have seen defending units sometimes go into reorganization or retreat mode.

Regards, RhinoBones

BTW, with the name Glorfindel, I'll have to introduce you to the WotR scenario.


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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/8/2006 8:06:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		..or, if you think you may cause a retreat befoe combat, divide your unit into three and try with the smaller unit

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/8/2006 12:52:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Glorfindel - Was that the evil warrior queen who caused so many problems for Lokowulf in The Song of Wrygrinner?   ...or am I confusing that with the Weenerland Sagas?

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/8/2006 7:27:52 PM   
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Glorfindel - Was that the evil warrior queen who caused so many problems for Lokowulf in The Song of Wrygrinner? ...or am I confusing that with the Weenerland Sagas?


Nope... it's from "The Fellowship of the Rings" - Glorfindel's role was replaced by Arwen in the movie version (remember the confrontation with the Nazgul at the ford)? I'm just a bit rusty on my LOTR, I think Glorfindel is Elrond's son.

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/8/2006 7:51:29 PM   
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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/8/2006 8:02:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are two Glorfindels. You can look it up here:

http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/

Regards, RhinoBones

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 12:32:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe we should let Glorfindel himself decide which of his two personalities is represented here. I know where my money is.

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 12:57:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who reads this classic literature.

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 12:58:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Glad we got the LotR thing straightened out!

Does anyone else use the tactics I described in Post #10?

Regards, RhinoBones

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 1:04:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: alaric99x

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who reads this classic literature.


Sounds like you also need to be introduced to the WotR scenario.

Regards, RhinoBones

Think there is still an AAR located here:

http://www.strategyzoneonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21558&highlight=WotR

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 1:25:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: alaric99x
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who reads this classic literature.

There are a few discerning others. I think a timeless classic that will sit besides other good works for ages. Eala Glorfindel!

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 4:45:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: General Staff

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ORIGINAL: alaric99x
I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who reads this classic literature.

There are a few discerning others. I think a timeless classic that will sit besides other good works for ages. Eala Glorfindel!


..and useful for keeping doors open...


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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 9:03:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank´s for the interest in my name!  I´m the one left out, for reasons of simplicity?, in the movie! A crime of course but really minor to the omission of the great Tom Bombadil! Interesting with the WotR scenario! This seems to be a marvelously flexible game!

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 3:49:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. I lost the bet. But I prefer the original. Tom Bombadil is an interesting quirk and difficult to place in the scheme of things.

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RE: Immediate attacks? - 7/9/2006 3:50:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: a white rabbit
..and useful for keeping doors open...

LoL. Or closed...

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