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RE: japanese radar again - 7/13/2006 5:37:35 PM

Sardaukar

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Yep.
Type = either surface or aircraft radar. Means the platform it's mounted on. Effect= chance/quality of detection.
Range= quite self-explaining one. Penetration= 0 detects surface targets, 500 detects aircraft.

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RE: japanese radar again - 10/15/2006 11:45:38 PM

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any chance for fixing type 13 radar?

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RE: japanese radar again - 10/16/2006 12:15:12 AM

el cid again

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Big B

That was one of the questions I asked a week or two ago -

But more to the point, I didn't think the game distinguished between air search and surface search radars - only surface vs airborne radars (for use in aircraft)?

B

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It does. There are airborne radars and surface radars that work on land or ships. There are air search and surface search radars for land and ship use - and there are airborne intercept and surface search radars for use by planes. There are also navigation radars for planes - but I do not know if they actually work or not? In RHS radars are redefined to have correct ranges and functions (one type got mixed up between yards and miles) - and we have added the first sort of ESM ever - because it really is a radar set that really was mainly used in the ESM mode vs other radars at a time there was almost universal radar out there to detect.

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RE: japanese radar again - 10/16/2006 12:17:52 AM

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It is fixed in various forms in various mods. CHS has made it work in the game design intent sense. RHS has turned it into the Type 11/12/13 radar (all are air search - all had the same range - but production went up and cost went down with each version).

I began life as a USN Electronics Technician (Radar) - I got to study Japanese radar and technology - and naturally I have put some effort into making this very simple model more correct. You may lift the devices from RHS device files too. But the biggest error is - until RHS - most of the 30,000 Japanese radars IRL are missing. They had a land based air search system OPERATIONAL BEFORE Dec 7, 1941 - and naval radars BEFORE the Battle of Midway (barely - and not at that battle) - but you would never guess in CHS or stock. They build 6000 of just one model of AI radar - and nary a one in CHS or stock. So the biggest thing to do is get the OB right. Note Japanese radars are generally shorter range and less reliable than Allied radars - there is a significant radar advantage for the Allies - just not a total one from mid war.

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RE: japanese radar again - 10/16/2006 4:01:47 AM

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I do hope that some day Matrix fixes the data base errors including this one.

I won't dispute Cid's numbers re radars available to the Japanese. IMHO though the slow deployment/lack within the IJN at least accurately reflects a culturally based myopia regarding radar. Traditional Japanese Culture was the ideal and basically radar just did not fit well or easily into the culture/ideal of the individual Samurai Warrior and his sword. Neither the Radarman nor his equipment directly inflicts damage on the enemy...(in WW2) a gunner or torpedoman or pilot or bombardier does that. Creating a large and necessarily complex, cooperative organization which did not directly inflict harm on the enemy was just too much for the IJN "Brass" to get real excited about. The idea of a CIC/FDC didn't make it to the "Study Stage" in the IJN until 1945.

The US had a cultural advantage in that pretty much everybody subscribed to the idea that new fangled gizmos are good. The "Brass" didn't have much of a clue how to employ the radar gizmo but figured it must hold some potential and they'd let the younger guys who knew more about figure out how to use it. It took a while. Fighter direction needed at least all of 1942 to work out the bugs and the same can be said for CICs (witness Adm Callahan choosing an SC equipped ship over SG equipped Helena (which could have given him a beautiful "Gods Eyes' View of the developing battle: Naval Battle of Guadalcanal...put the other SG ship in the squadron in last place in the column too).
But I think the main reason the US deployed superior radar systems AND ORGANIZATION/DOCTRINE lies with that subtle cultural difference.

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RE: japanese radar again - 10/16/2006 4:04:28 PM

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Type defines what platform radar is installed..surface or aircraft. Penetration defines (0 or 500) if it searches naval or air targets. This has been around for looong time..we need FAQ...

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