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Homerun numbers - 7/16/2006 6:32:12 AM   
rowech

 

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Status: offline 		These seem to be too high. I started a league in 1969 and have had several players hit 60+ homeruns. The right guys are hitting them but it just seems to be too high. Thought I would throw this out. Any corrections that can be made?
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RE: Homerun numbers - 7/16/2006 8:17:32 AM   
ganguy

 

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Status: offline 		The first place I would experiment with is the Advanced Simulation Engine Options in Association Settings. Try moving the home run slider down. Not sure how much, you may have to play with it a little.

After that, the XML file is probably the place to go. I've been digging into it, but still feeling my way around.

Ron

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RE: Homerun numbers - 7/16/2006 4:38:19 PM   
henry296

 

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Status: offline 		The other option is to check your stadiums.  If the 1970s players are playing in today's smaller stadiums they might hit some more home runs.  The generic team stadiums are a little smaller and have short distances down the line.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 7/16/2006 6:46:25 PM   
rowech

 

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Status: offline 		That would be interesting to look at too.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/26/2007 7:23:49 AM   
galaril

 

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Status: offline 		Yeah I just played ran a sim form 1900 to 1973 and the homeruns were..................well ridiculous and to be honest not sure what to think. I had 25 guys with over 100 homeruns and tons of guys with over 250 rbi's! 20 Players with over 400 avgs? So what gives I am pretty disapppointed at this momnet I just bought this version after being disappointed by the sign and relase stuff with OOTP 2007 but at least the stats were great as you go through each era. If it was anyone but Shaun I would probably want a refund. Does PS 07 not adjust for the differnt eras? I can undertsand the ballpark factors but is there that much effect it should maybe be reevaluated becuz no matter what park I guy played is here going to hit 130 HRs! Do most people play with average ballparks set at the beginning or do most people not run a sim for a while to get history?

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 3:35:02 AM   
puresimmer

 

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ORIGINAL: galaril

Yeah I just played ran a sim form 1900 to 1973 and the homeruns were..................well ridiculous and to be honest not sure what to think. I had 25 guys with over 100 homeruns and tons of guys with over 250 rbi's! 20 Players with over 400 avgs? So what gives I am pretty disapppointed at this momnet I just bought this version after being disappointed by the sign and relase stuff with OOTP 2007 but at least the stats were great as you go through each era. If it was anyone but Shaun I would probably want a refund. Does PS 07 not adjust for the differnt eras? I can undertsand the ballpark factors but is there that much effect it should maybe be reevaluated becuz no matter what park I guy played is here going to hit 130 HRs! Do most people play with average ballparks set at the beginning or do most people not run a sim for a while to get history?


I have never seen this. I will start an association and run a test overnight.

Just to rule out any anomalies I am going to us ethe "Use Avg Park for all games" option.



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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 3:35:41 AM   
puresimmer

 

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Status: offline 		And yes, the game absolutely adjusts for the time period.



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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 3:47:18 AM   
KG Erwin


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Status: offline 		Guys, for the record, my draft association uses historical parks, and if anything, the HR totals are actually BELOW historical averages. This is with using real players and the default XML.

Rowech didn't specify if he was using real or fictional players.

I apologize if I'm making such heavy weather of my association, but so far I've seen no anomalies that raise any red flags. To this point, the results have all seemed believable.

< Message edited by KG Erwin -- 5/27/2007 4:00:09 AM >

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 4:44:12 AM   
33sherman

 

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Status: offline 		I've been running a real-player association from 1903 and at 1952 have had no anomalies. Like KG mentioned, if anything the home run totals have been a little low, as well as BA (the single-season record for BA is .374). Amazingly, the single-season record for HR's is 60 by Babe Ruth in 1927.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 5:10:18 AM   
KG Erwin


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ORIGINAL: 33sherman

I've been running a real-player association from 1903 and at 1952 have had no anomalies. Like KG mentioned, if anything the home run totals have been a little low, as well as BA (the single-season record for BA is .374). Amazingly, the single-season record for HR's is 60 by Babe Ruth in 1927.


You're telling me that your league actually had the Babe matching his real-life record? Are you kidding?

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 5:33:04 AM   
galaril

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: puresimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: galaril

Yeah I just played ran a sim form 1900 to 1973 and the homeruns were..................well ridiculous and to be honest not sure what to think. I had 25 guys with over 100 homeruns and tons of guys with over 250 rbi's! 20 Players with over 400 avgs? So what gives I am pretty disapppointed at this momnet I just bought this version after being disappointed by the sign and relase stuff with OOTP 2007 but at least the stats were great as you go through each era. If it was anyone but Shaun I would probably want a refund. Does PS 07 not adjust for the differnt eras? I can undertsand the ballpark factors but is there that much effect it should maybe be reevaluated becuz no matter what park I guy played is here going to hit 130 HRs! Do most people play with average ballparks set at the beginning or do most people not run a sim for a while to get history?


I have never seen this. I will start an association and run a test overnight.

Just to rule out any anomalies I am going to us ethe "Use Avg Park for all games" option.





If you want I can send you the file. I didn't do anything different. But one thing I added some addins after I ran the association 74 year history.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 5:43:11 AM   
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Home Runs - Single Season Leaders





Rank
Player
Year
Value

1
Eddie Mathews
1954
134

2
Eddie Mathews
1953
133

3
Eddie Mathews
1960
126

4
Babe Ruth
1923
122

5
Eddie Mathews
1957
121


Eddie Mathews
1955
121


Orlando Cepeda
1962
121

6
Eddie Mathews
1961
120


Mickey Mantle
1958
120


Wally Berger
1930
120

7
Larry Doby
1954
119

8
Eddie Mathews
1958
118


Frank Robinson
1959
118

9
Tommy Holmes
1945
117


Eddie Mathews
1951
117

10
Tony Conigliaro
1968
116

11
Mickey Mantle
1956
115


Wally Berger
1938
115


Wally Berger
1936
115

12
Eddie Mathews
1956
114


Wally Berger
1935
114

13
Mickey Mantle
1960
113


Frank Robinson
1960
113

14
Frank Robinson
1961
112


Wally Berger
1937
112

15
Frank Robinson
1964
111


Richie Hebner
1972
111

16
Mickey Mantle
1955
110


Leon Wagner
1961
110

17
Eddie Mathews
1959
109


Dale Alexander
1929
109

18
Eddie Mathews
1952
108


Wally Berger
1931
108

19
Mickey Mantle
1954
106


Frank Robinson
1957
106


Wally Berger
1934
106

20
Mickey Mantle
1953
105


Eddie Mathews
1962
105


Willie Kirkland
1961
105


Wally Berger
1929
105

21
Mickey Mantle
1959
104


Orlando Cepeda
1961
104


Tony Conigliaro
1967
104


Leon Wagner
1960
104

22
Mickey Mantle
1957
103


Willie Kirkland
1962
103


Frank Robinson
1962
103


Orlando Cepeda
1963
103


Heinie Manush
1926
103

23
Max West
1938
101


Max West
1947
101


Willie Horton
1965
101


Jimmie Foxx
1936
101

24
Vince Dimaggio
1940
100


Willie Kirkland
1963
100


Babe Ruth
1924
100


Wally Berger
1932
100


Dale Alexander
1930
100

25
Bill White
1957
99


Frank Robinson
1954
99


Roy Johnson
1933
99

26
Larry Doby
1955
98


Earl Torgeson
1947
98


Tommy Holmes
1946
98


Buck Freeman
1901
98


Babe Ruth
1920
98


Pinky Whitney
1938
98

27
Vince Dimaggio
1941
97


Orlando Cepeda
1959
97


Frank Robinson
1967
97


Frank Robinson
1965
97


Bobby Murcer
1967
97


Herman Long
1900
97

28
Max West
1946
96


Dale Alexander
1932
96


Wally Berger
1933
96


Jimmy Welsh
1925
96

29
Frank Robinson
1955
95

30
Pat Seerey
1951
94


Hank Steinbacher
1939
94


Bill White
1955
94


Frank Robinson
1970
94


Ray Powell
1919
94


Heinie Manush
1928
94

31
Max West
1939
93


Joe Connolly
1913
93

32
George Burns
1920
92


Babe Ruth
1925
92


Heinie Manush
1930
92


Jimmy Welsh
1928
92

33
Max West
1945
91


Johnny Bates
1907
91


Buck Freeman
1902
91


Jack Rothrock
1931
91

34
Tommy Holmes
1950
90


Mickey Mantle
1951
90


Orlando Cepeda
1960
90


Frank Robinson
1956
90


Frank Robinson
1966
90


Chick Stahl
1902
90


Billy Hamilton
1901
90


Jimmie Foxx
1938
90

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 5:45:20 AM   
galaril

 

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Status: offline 		The number under the player's name is the year and the numbe runder it is the number of homeruns. I will run this again and see what comes up but I am wondering if the last CE or so might of screwed something up? This is without doing any chnage to the stadiums in game.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 8:45:29 AM   
33sherman

 

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin


quote:

ORIGINAL: 33sherman

I've been running a real-player association from 1903 and at 1952 have had no anomalies. Like KG mentioned, if anything the home run totals have been a little low, as well as BA (the single-season record for BA is .374). Amazingly, the single-season record for HR's is 60 by Babe Ruth in 1927.


You're telling me that your league actually had the Babe matching his real-life record? Are you kidding?




No, I'm not kidding. Still, Ruth's overall numbers were low--after '27 he was never able to muster more than 200-300 ABs due to endurance so his career HR total was less than 500. I've run a couple associations (spanning several Puresim builds) and I find that Ruth tends to have a problem staying fresh enough to hit all those home runs.

The one thing that hasn't happened in this particular association is total dominance by Ted Williams, which happened in every previous association. At this point (1952) the two most dominant players in the history of the association have been Mel Ott and Joe Dimaggio.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 10:35:21 AM   
Fouts


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Status: offline 		I had a problem like this once with a couple teams.  Then I looked at the offending teams stadiums and the distances to the fence were all out of whack.  Everytime I start a new league I make it a rule to check all the stadiums or import real stadiums.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/27/2007 6:00:48 PM   
galaril

 

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ORIGINAL: Fouts

I had a problem like this once with a couple teams.  Then I looked at the offending teams stadiums and the distances to the fence were all out of whack.  Everytime I start a new league I make it a rule to check all the stadiums or import real stadiums.



How are stadiums handle in the game? Are they randomly generated or is there a set number of genric ones that the computer uses? Also, I have seen stadium photos are there also stadium dimensions available as well?

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/28/2007 12:44:00 AM   
KG Erwin


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Status: offline 		There's several historic parks (.prk files) that come with the game, but there's many prk files & pics that can be found here:

http://web.mac.com/sixwilsons/iWeb/PureSimMods/Main.html

As a matter of fact, that's where I picked up the beautiful "painted parks" that I use in my Golden Age association.

Believe me, park dimensions (AND the weather) have a profound effect on HR numbers.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/28/2007 2:14:13 AM   
ezpkns34

 

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Status: offline 		i agree kg, i just started a new league and my first home game saw the 2 teams combine for 22 runs and about 9 hrs, it was insane and it was due mostly to the wind cause after nearly every hr it said the wind really carried that one

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/28/2007 6:23:48 AM   
KG Erwin


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Status: offline 		Something else: I noticed a stat called "park factor". What does this actually mean? Forbes Field has a PF of 89. Yeah, OK, so what does this tell me? It isn't exactly a hitter-friendly park as far as hitting HRs is concerned, but with deep outfields there's still the potential for a lot of extra-base hits.

Lemme compile the PFs for all of my parks and see what we come up with.

Ok, here's the park list:

1. Polo Grounds (New York) 126
2. Municipal Stadium (Cleveland) 114
3. Fenway Park (Boston) 113
4. Ebbets Field (Brooklyn) 103
5. Sportsmans Park (St. Louis) 102
6. Shibe Park (Philadelphia) 101
7. Comiskey Park (Chicago) 98
Briggs Stadium (Detroit)
Yankee Stadium (New York)
Wrigley Field (Chicago)
Crosley Field (Cincinnati)
8. Braves Field (Boston) 94
9. Forbes Field (Pittsburgh) 89

So, the higher the number, the more "hitter-friendly" the field is. Interesting. Apart from the overall team talent levels, the collective ERAs and HR totals seem to bear this out. For example, my Pirates have a team ERA of 2.71, which leads the association. The Indians, on the other hand, have a team ERA of 4.23. The Tribe has hit 57 HR, whereas my Bucs have hit just 23 so far in the 1947 season.

On the individual level, playing at Forbes certainly helped Warren Spahn win the NL Cy Young Award in 1946, and has contributed to his 11-1, 1.83 record so far in 1947.

The implications are obvious. You tailor your team to your environment. Yeah, common-knowledge, but having this info helps when drafting.

You can obtain this number by going to the Standings Page and clicking "expanded team results".

< Message edited by KG Erwin -- 5/28/2007 7:08:38 AM >

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/28/2007 6:42:47 PM   
demikarr

 

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Status: offline 		I have found 1 park in my association (1901 - 1953) that just has insane numbers if any team uses it. I noticed it when a AI team started having 1000+ runs in a season. I set up my team in J.P. Sullivan Yards and here is what happened.

Player AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI OBP SLG AVG
Babe Ruth 645 159 252 33 22 89 215 449 924 391
Amos Strunk 578 149 209 15 14 72 132 411 810 362


< Message edited by demikarr -- 5/28/2007 6:43:52 PM >

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/29/2007 4:48:26 AM   
galaril

 

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Status: offline 		Shaun,

I am not sure what was up with those numbers that time but I have run the league association to sim history to more times and the numbers are right on. My only orpblem is the league isn't expanding from 1900's 8 teams? I ran 73 years and it never expanded? I checked the expansion on and set it to the mlb like setup of two leagues of 16 teams?

< Message edited by galaril -- 5/29/2007 5:12:47 AM >

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/29/2007 10:42:26 PM   
Nukester


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Status: offline 		I play mostly in the deadball era, and changing the stadiums from the default fake stadiums that the game gives the teams is an absolute must. Historical deadball numbers are out of wack leaving them the way they are created.

Try using more stadiums from a little later. For instance, put the Beaneaters in Braves Field instead of the South End Grounds and put the Cardinals in Sportsman's Park instead of Robison Field. Give that a try. Even though most of those very old stadiums that were used in 1901 (I usually start in 1903 so the stadiums are pretty much the same as 1901) have far allys and center field, alot of them have very very shallow walls down the lines (Robison Field: 470 down LF line, 520 to LC, and 500 to CF, but the RF line is only 290 ft). Same goes with South End Grounds (445' to LC, 440 to C, 440 to RC.....but only 250 down the LF line, and 255 down the RF line)

Not 100% historically correct, but it makes a huge difference.

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RE: Homerun numbers - 5/30/2007 3:58:26 AM   
galaril

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nukester

I play mostly in the deadball era, and changing the stadiums from the default fake stadiums that the game gives the teams is an absolute must. Historical deadball numbers are out of wack leaving them the way they are created.

Try using more stadiums from a little later. For instance, put the Beaneaters in Braves Field instead of the South End Grounds and put the Cardinals in Sportsman's Park instead of Robison Field. Give that a try. Even though most of those very old stadiums that were used in 1901 (I usually start in 1903 so the stadiums are pretty much the same as 1901) have far allys and center field, alot of them have very very shallow walls down the lines (Robison Field: 470 down LF line, 520 to LC, and 500 to CF, but the RF line is only 290 ft). Same goes with South End Grounds (445' to LC, 440 to C, 440 to RC.....but only 250 down the LF line, and 255 down the RF line)

Not 100% historically correct, but it makes a huge difference.


Thanks. That is what I did after the first time and I have gotten much more realistic numbers.

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