Matrix Games Forums

 Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

RE: MWiF Map Review - America

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> World in Flames >> RE: MWiF Map Review - America Page: <<   < prev  12 13 [14] 15 16   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:21:15 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		Here are the final 2 map segments: South America. I'll start with the 3 Guyanas and the mouths of the Amazon.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 391
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:24:39 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		Here are most of the rivers that feed the Amazon.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 392
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:25:35 PM   
Froonp


Posts: 7995
Joined: 10/21/2003
From: Marseilles, France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp
There is also the All sea hexside between Hex 46,28 (Sheffield) and hex 45,28 (Hull) that can be improved (made deeper).

You might want to review all the trouble spots from the WIFFE European map - the MWIF graphics were taken directly from that artwork.

There might be an alignement problem, but it may be easier to correct the few places where it shows, that try to realign the European map, now that the rest of the map portions are connected to it.

Here are the places that are doubtfull on the European map and that will be understood wrong if not changed (are separated by an all sea hexside that is not obvious on the MWiF map).
Completely wrong :
- Sheffield / Hull.
- Turku / Hango.
- Nikolayev / hex W (moreover, the river SE of Nikolayev does not connect perfectly with the shore).

Slightly doubtfull :
- Bristol / Cardiff.
- Kiel / Bremen.
- Le Havre / hex SE.
- Bordeaux / hex E (moreover, the river does not connect perfectly with the shore).
- Evpatoria / Sevastopol.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 393
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:26:20 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		More of Brazil, including its capital, plus all of Paraguay.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 394
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:27:51 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		Southern tip of Brazil and Uruguay.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 395
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:30:28 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		The rail network linking Buenos Aires to Santiago. Valparaiso is a real nice port, but it would be tough to capture.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 396
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:32:07 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		I thought I should show one screen shot at the highest zoom level (8).




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 397
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:35:15 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		The middle section of Chile and Argentina. Now you know where Patagonia is (it is not in Asia).

Look at all the lovely work Rob did (working with Patrice's draft) in the islands off the Chilean coast.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 398
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:38:15 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		Here are some famous names: Cape Horn, Magellan Strait, Drake Passage, Tierra del Fuego, Falkland Islands (Las Malvinas). That is Port Stanley that had its name trimmed.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 399
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:40:01 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		Northwestern Argentina and most of northern Chile.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 400
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:42:03 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		The northern tip of Chile and all of Bolivia.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 401
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:44:25 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		Peru. Those rivers you see in the Andes all feed into the Amazon.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 402
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:46:48 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		A closer view of Ecuador and the Galalpagos Islands.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 403
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 9:49:25 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		An overview of the map segment for the northern portion of South America. This shows all of Brazil - big country.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 404
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 2/28/2007 10:00:19 PM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline 		14th and last in the series. This is an overview of the map segment for the southern portion of South America. Those islands in the Scotia Sea are South Georgia and belong to the Falklands.

We have now posted the entire MWIF world map, with the exception of some all sea areas.

It looks as if I might only have to trim 2 or 3 hexrows from the top of the map to avoid having to create a pagination routine for coastal bitmaps. I won't do that right away though, in the hopes that maybe I can figure out some clever way to squeeze all 5,054 of them in. There are 7,173 river bitmaps too, but they do not present any extra demand for Window's system resources. And just to round out the map numbers here, there are 3,334 named locations on the map. About half of them were added by Patrice.




Attachment (1)

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Shannon V. OKeets)
Post #: 405
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 12:14:07 AM   
Jimm


Posts: 607
Joined: 7/27/2006
From: York, UK
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp
There is also the All sea hexside between Hex 46,28 (Sheffield) and hex 45,28 (Hull) that can be improved (made deeper).

You might want to review all the trouble spots from the WIFFE European map - the MWIF graphics were taken directly from that artwork.

So there might have been an alignement problem, by looking at this comparison, you see that the Hull / Sheffield separation is obvious on the WiF map, and not obvious at all on the MWiF map.





I'm not sure this is too much of an issue.
I would note that the rail line has altered from the original, with the new layout missing the line going north from Sheffield to Leeds and instead going via Manchester. Presumably a mistake?

Historically there were 2 main routes north from London- the West coast/Midland, (the old LMS- London Midland Scotish Railway) going from Euston Station via the industrial midlands and Liverpool/Manchester through to Glasgow, and the East coast line (LNER- London & North Eastern Railway) going from Kings Cross via the main rail heads of Doncaster (nr Sheffield) York (nr Leeds), and via Newcastle to Edinburgh.

The direct east coast route was (and is) an important and significant rail link on any scale, and the idea that you have to go via Manchester to get to Leeds is a bit silly.

I assume it is an oversight, but can it be rectified?


(in reply to Froonp)
Post #: 406
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 12:27:14 AM   
Froonp


Posts: 7995
Joined: 10/21/2003
From: Marseilles, France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimm
I'm not sure this is too much of an issue.
I would note that the rail line has altered from the original, with the new layout missing the line going north from Sheffield to Leeds and instead going via Manchester. Presumably a mistake?

Historically there were 2 main routes north from London- the West coast/Midland, (the old LMS- London Midland Scotish Railway) going from Euston Station via the industrial midlands and Liverpool/Manchester through to Glasgow, and the East coast line (LNER- London & North Eastern Railway) going from Kings Cross via the main rail heads of Doncaster (nr Sheffield) York (nr Leeds), and via Newcastle to Edinburgh.

The direct east coast route was (and is) an important and significant rail link on any scale, and the idea that you have to go via Manchester to get to Leeds is a bit silly.

I assume it is an oversight, but can it be rectified?

This is an oversight, and thank you for catching it.
I'll rectify it tomorrow.

(in reply to Jimm)
Post #: 407
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 2:13:08 AM   
Jimm


Posts: 607
Joined: 7/27/2006
From: York, UK
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

This is an oversight, and thank you for catching it.
I'll rectify it tomorrow.



By the way the maps look excellent, which I meant to comment on in my previous post before I got all caught up with pedantic British railway history....


(in reply to Froonp)
Post #: 408
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 4:33:31 AM   
composer99


Posts: 2923
Joined: 6/6/2005
From: Ottawa, Canada
Status: offline 		I find it interesting that there is a region in Argentina called Mesopotamia (post #395).

I should also mention that Ned. is an unusuall abbreviation for the Netherlands (Dutch Guyana, post 391) - "Ne" is almost certainly better.

And, to round things off, an excellent series of maps, as usual. I'm going to be very excited about seeing the whole thing put together when the game is out!

_____________________________

~ Composer99

(in reply to Jimm)
Post #: 409
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 7:50:46 AM   
Froonp


Posts: 7995
Joined: 10/21/2003
From: Marseilles, France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99
I find it interesting that there is a region in Argentina called Mesopotamia (post #395).

There are a lot of Mesopotamia indeed :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia_%28disambiguation%29

(in reply to composer99)
Post #: 410
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 8:01:11 AM   
Froonp


Posts: 7995
Joined: 10/21/2003
From: Marseilles, France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99
I should also mention that Ned. is an unusuall abbreviation for the Netherlands (Dutch Guyana, post 391) - "Ne" is almost certainly better.

I believe that the abbreviations used (except for Major Powers) are those from the International Olympic Committee (IOC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOC_country_codes.
Those abbreviations are used on the map to help seeing who controls what, and on the counters.

There is just one problem with New Caledonia (that is not on this list) and Nicaragua. Both are abbreviated NCA in MWiF at the moment.

(in reply to composer99)
Post #: 411
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 10:29:35 AM   
Shannon V. OKeets

 

Posts: 22095
Joined: 5/19/2005
From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp
quote:

ORIGINAL: composer99
I should also mention that Ned. is an unusuall abbreviation for the Netherlands (Dutch Guyana, post 391) - "Ne" is almost certainly better.

I believe that the abbreviations used (except for Major Powers) are those from the International Olympic Committee (IOC).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IOC_country_codes.
Those abbreviations are used on the map to help seeing who controls what, and on the counters.

There is just one problem with New Caledonia (that is not on this list) and Nicaragua. Both are abbreviated NCA in MWiF at the moment.

Rats, I thought the 3 letter abbreviations for the countries had been solved the last time I worked on it. I have notes about that somewhere in my pile of old analyses for the game.

There are ~240 governed areas in the game presently, though only those that possess units have abbreviations assigned. The large number of countries dictated going to 3 letter abbreviations.

_____________________________

Steve

Perfection is an elusive goal.

(in reply to Froonp)
Post #: 412
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 1:51:48 PM   
iamspamus

 

Posts: 433
Joined: 11/16/2006
From: Cambridge, UK
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

1) Vera Cruz should be Veracruz. He pointed that out right away.
2) Not sure if you are putting stuff like "Island of" in a space but if so, it should be Isla del Carmen.

The map agree with you on Veracruz, so it is corrected.
For "Island of", I'm not sure of what you mean, but normaly I did not use the word "island" for island names, for example, Wake is simply "Wake", not "Wake Island". Is that what you were asking ?



1. thanks
2. Yes, that was what I was asking. When my friend looked at the map he said that it should be Ciudad del Carmen. I noted that we only had cities of 100k +. Then he mentioned that it was also called Isla del Carmen. I THOUGHT that you weren't using the words "Island of..." Apparently, that is correct. So, that being the case, it looks good.

You guys are doing a GREAT job!!!
Jason

(in reply to Froonp)
Post #: 413
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 2:17:55 PM   
iamspamus

 

Posts: 433
Joined: 11/16/2006
From: Cambridge, UK
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Froonp

quote:

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Let's let the forum members review the remaining 2 map segments (South America) and perhaps after a week of gestation put together a 'final' list of map modifications for Rob. I would like to tell him: "these are the last map modifications, and then it is done." I was able to do that with the units, and I haven't been back to him about any additional changes since May, 2006. As of today, map changes are: Calcutta, the Williamette, and Baranquilla.

There is also the Zuider Zee to make as a Lake.

quote:

That's a pretty short list given that there are 5054 coastal hexes and 7173 river hexes/hexsides bitmaps.

Don't forget that I already had posted the drafts on the forums before going to Rob, so there already were a lots of changes .


Patrice, Can you relook at the Eastern Columbia Rivers System as it runs through Washingon and into Canada and Idaho? I don't think that it is accurate. Also there are a few branches off of it that are not listed.

Thanks,
Jason

(in reply to Froonp)
Post #: 414
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 5:17:53 PM   
composer99


Posts: 2923
Joined: 6/6/2005
From: Ottawa, Canada
Status: offline
quote:

There are ~240 governed areas in the game presently, though only those that possess units have abbreviations assigned. The large number of countries dictated going to 3 letter abbreviations.


This I can imagine easily. I would only suggest switching to "Ne" for the Netherlands possessions because there is some precedent in WiF:FE (and also CWiF for Dutch Guyana), but "Neth" would also be good, or at least better than "Ned", which makes me think of a certain Flanders (and not the WWI theatre of operations ).

_____________________________

~ Composer99

(in reply to iamspamus)
Post #: 415
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 7:10:02 PM   
Ballista


Posts: 183
Joined: 1/21/2005
Status: offline 		Outstanding work by all ! I'm drooling at the prospect of navigating around the map for the 1st time and explore it at the different zoom levels. Bravo ! Bravo !

(in reply to composer99)
Post #: 416
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 3/1/2007 8:23:20 PM   
Froonp


Posts: 7995
Joined: 10/21/2003
From: Marseilles, France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
Patrice, Can you relook at the Eastern Columbia Rivers System as it runs through Washingon and into Canada and Idaho? I don't think that it is accurate. Also there are a few branches off of it that are not listed.

Thanks,
Jason

The Eastern Columbia (Canada) River that runs through Washington (USA) is the Columbia River.
There is also the Snake river who is an affluent of the Columbia. It takes its source in eastern Idaho and becomes the border between Idaho & Oregon west of Boise, when it joins up with the Salmon river who comes from the Bitterroot Range, and then reach the Columbia some miles before the Columbia becomes the border between Washington state and Oregon.
As far as those rivers are concerned by your comment, I do not see the problem, they are quite accurately depicted on the MWiF map.
For the few branches off that are not listed, not all rivers of the real world are on the MwiF map, only those important enough to have consequences on military operations at the scale of a corps are. There I left the map pretty much how it was, trusting the original ADG designers.

(in reply to iamspamus)
Post #: 417
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 4/10/2007 8:36:29 AM   
dcasper

 

Posts: 1
Joined: 4/10/2007
Status: offline 		I'm a bit late to the party, but to the extent it matters, the oil resource near Los Angeles should be in the mountain/coastal hex SE of the city (Long Beach), not the mountain/coastal hex west of the city (Santa Barbara).  This (Signal Hill) was the largest oil producing region in the state, a very dense region accounting for about 1/3 of the state's total production.  There were oil wells near Bakersfield as well, if you want to have two locations.

See http://www.priweb.org/ed/pgws/history/signal_hill/signal_hill.html

Impressive work!

(in reply to Froonp)
Post #: 418
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 4/10/2007 6:53:37 PM   
Gendarme

 

Posts: 50
Joined: 9/19/2006
From: Chicago, IL, USA
Status: offline
Just wondering if it's been decided what movement for leg and motorized units through a jungle hex costs at Euro scale. The cost is given on the Wif paper maps for Asia hexes but for Euro hexes, the map states, "NA". At Asia scale, leg movement through jungle is same as through a mountain hex -- 4 movement points.

Maybe it's been posted on the list already and I just can't find it. If so, sorry for being repetitive.

Anthony DeChristopher

(in reply to dcasper)
Post #: 419
RE: MWiF Map Review - America - 4/10/2007 10:04:08 PM   
Froonp


Posts: 7995
Joined: 10/21/2003
From: Marseilles, France
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gendarme


Just wondering if it's been decided what movement for leg and motorized units through a jungle hex costs at Euro scale. The cost is given on the Wif paper maps for Asia hexes but for Euro hexes, the map states, "NA". At Asia scale, leg movement through jungle is same as through a mountain hex -- 4 movement points.

Maybe it's been posted on the list already and I just can't find it. If so, sorry for being repetitive.

Anthony DeChristopher

Seems to be 2 for leg units, 4 for wheeled units.

(in reply to Gendarme)
Post #: 420
Page:   <<   < prev  12 13 [14] 15 16   next >   >>
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> World in Flames >> RE: MWiF Map Review - America Page: <<   < prev  12 13 [14] 15 16   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

2.125