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ORIGINAL: abj9562

Looks very good. Big Bend should be a Mountain Desert hex. I have spent lots of time in the park. It is very rough desert rising from 1850' to over 7300' with a 50F degree temperature differance at times.

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ORIGINAL: coregames

For what it's worth, I live in Albuquerque, and the Sandia Mountains are due east of us... the Manzano Mountains are just south of that. I would suggest removing the mountain hexes west and southwest of Albuquerue

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, and replacing the forest hex east of here with a mountain hex.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

And the forest hex south of this forest hex too ?

Also, don't you think that may those Sandia Mountains and Manzano Mountains are not broken enough to be represented as a mountain hex, and are tree covered enough to be represented bya forest hex ?

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I mean the southernmost hex of the bend in the Rio Grande River on the western side of Texas. Just SE of El Paso. This is Big Bend National Park and it has some pretty rugged terrain from flat out desert to an arid mountainscape with pine trees.

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Tijeras Canyon is pretty mountainous, and it is the only pass between the two ranges, which are about 10,000 feet - a mile above Albuquerque's elevation of 1 mile. Yes these steep mountains are covered in forest, but they are first and foremost mountains. I think the hex east of Albuquerque should be represented as a mountain hex. The hex south of that can be forest as you have it.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp


coregames, is it ok for Albuquerque ?

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Original: Froonp

What is the name of the river south of Phoenix ?

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ORIGINAL: sajbalk

Based off the same list I referenced above, I would suggest including:
1. An additional city or two in Ohio (S. of Lake Erie) to be Colombus (376k), Toledo (307k), Akron (275k), or Dayton (245k). Or even Youngstown (168k).
2. A city in upstate New York.Syracuse (221k) or Albany (135k).
3. Louisville, Kentucky is the largest city not mentioned at number 30 (369k).
4. The coast between NY City and Boston could almost be filled in with the cities in Massachusetts or Connecticut or thereabouts like Providence RI (249k), Worcester MA (203k), Hartford CT (177k), or Springfield MA (163k).
5. A good case could be made for another city in Michigan. Either GrandRapids (176k)  or Flint (163k). The former would be preferable for supply purposes.

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Then there are some I would question as cities such as Wilmington NC, Charlestton SC, Alb., NM, and San Jose CA, at least in this time frame.

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2. Remember to remove the port of Duluth. The big lakes don't have any ports in MWIF so Duluth should be removed. Duluth proper has a population of 87.000, but with suburbs it has a population of 184.000. Is Duluth needed for supply purposes? Then it maybe could be a city?

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1. Add city of Thunder Bay in Canada?

Thunder Bay is a city on the NW bank of Lake Superior. It's located in the hex 3xNE+E of Duluth. It's the biggest city in the region on the Canadian side of the border and is maybe needed for supply reasons. The city is not very big (122.000 inhabitants now), but the only city in this area of Canada having a chance to be on the MWIF map.

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BTW Patrice this led me to spot another correction the hex NW of San Antonio, the hex west of San Antonio and the hex west of those two should be rough terrain. Here we call it the hill country. In reality it is the Llano uplift where they mine the semi precious stone Lanite and and a pink colored Granite.

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ORIGINAL: Borger Borgersen
2. Remember to remove the port of Duluth. The big lakes don't have any ports in MWIF so Duluth should be removed. Duluth proper has a population of 87.000, but with suburbs it has a population of 184.000. Is Duluth needed for supply purposes? Then it maybe could be a city?

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3. Why is New Bern on the map as a port? In 1940 it only had a population of 11.815. Does USA really need a port in this hex? I have found no information that this city had any importance as a port except during the US civil war. I noticed it's on the WIFFE maps so I guess this makes it harder to take it away or replace it with another port?

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4. Why use the port of Fernandina in NE Florida? It has a population of just 10.500 in the year 2000 and probably less inn 1940. And it's called Fernandina beach indicating it's just a beach for recreation etc. and not a vital port that could host warships.
I propose using the port city of Brunswick in southern Georgia instead.
Look here for details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunswick,_Georgia
Wikipedia writes about Brunswick: The city is an important port city on the Atlantic Coast
The port can be placed on the MWIF map as is because the location chosen is the location of Brunswick. It's just south of the Altamaha river. Fernandina is closer to Jacksonville, in the same hex as Jacksonville.

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5. Maybe we can add the port of Corpus Christi in southern Texas? It seems to be an important port and the MWIF map doesn't have a US port in this region. The population in 1940 was 108.000 so maybe it even deserves to be a city?
Look here for some info:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/corpus-christi-port.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpus_Christi,_Texas
It should be located just south of the river at the coast 2xSE of San Antonio.

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6. Maybe we should also add the port of Port Arthur in eastern Texas?
This is written about Port Arthur:
Port Arthur was founded by Arthur Edward Stilwell in the late 19th century, and was once the center of the largest oil refinery network in the world.
Look here for details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur,_Texas
It's located at the coast in the oil hex E+NE of Galveston.

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7. It seems that the rail intersection hex of Jackson, Mississippi, is maybe too small to add as a city. It had about 80.000 inhabitants in 1944. It's the rail intersection 5xW of Montgomery.
But maybe adding Shreveport, Lousiana, is a possibility? It had a population of 127.000 in 1940. This city is located in the oil hex rail intersection 2xE of Dallas.
Some info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shreveport,_Louisiana

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8. US Pacific ports between San Francisco and Seattle?
I notice there are currently no US minor ports between San Franciso and Seattle. Is that true or have we forgotten some port that had any importance during WW2? I can't find any suitable port, but maybe it's like this because there is no such port. I don't know.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
Duluth was 101k in 1940, so I made it a city already.

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Well, it does not bother me.

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What I would like to do, is to put Fernandina in its right hex (as Jacksonville is a minor port on the WiF FE map, so it would kind of be too in MWiF), and add Brunswick as you said.

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No, because its 1940 population is below 100k. You figure is from the 1950 census that was wrongly posted here (the right 1940 census was posted thereafter).

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I don't think there is a need for it on the MWiF map.

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I don't think there is a need for it on the MWiF map neither.

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I made an extra layer on the MWiF draft map I draw, showing the supply zone, from the original WiF FE map, and give or take some hexes, the supply cover on the MwiF map is nearly the same as the one of the WiF FE map.

There are only 3 places where there is less supply :
- Northern Maine (North of Boston & Portland -- WiF FE has wrongly Portland as a city, so a city should be added in this area).
- Northern Michigan.
- Northern California. Maybe a Eureka (minor port) can be added 4 hexes NW of Sacramento. This seems to be the biggest place in the area.
Opinions ?

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Shreveport is maybe not that important to add on the map here in the south if we want to keep the map from being clogged with cities. But if that is so then I don't understand why we are in the process of adding so many new cities in the NE part of USA. Why is it ok in NE USA to add cities like Hartford, Flint, Albany, Akron, Dayton etc. while there are so few cities in the south compared to the north? Is it because you expect some military actions in the NE of USA so USA needs cities to add reinforcements?

For me the most important thing about making a map is to have CONSISTANT design rules everywhere on the map. If you go for one detail level at one part of the map then it would be strange if other parts of the map have a much lesser detail level. I think mainly about adding cities, ports and railroads. That is one reason I don't think the megalopolis idea of creating a continuous line of cities from Washington to Boston is a good idea. Was it really that crowded in 1940 from Washington to Boston? I noticed that many US cities have become a lot bigger during the last 50-60 years. One example is Las Vegas that had 8.400 inhabitants in 1940 and had 545.000 inhabitants in 2005.

So maybe it's a good idea to be more restrictive about adding new cities in NE USA. Especially new cities not needed for supply reasons, like adding a city adjacent to an already bigger city (like adding Providence adjacent to Boston).

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But does it really matter if some parts of USA don't have full supply? I don't think we will see any US units there or any combat. Adding cities just for supply is not a good idea unless it's in a region where supply in vital and combat is expected. So I think we can live with Portland as just a port and not add any new cities. The game goes to Northern Michigan. Don't add any new cities there except Duluth and Grand Rapids. Add ports on the great lakes if some supply is truly needed. At least the ports can have a population smaller than 100k

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Borger Borgersen said :
Would you then put a port in the Jacksonville hex and not use the name Fernandina? That seems like a better idea than to use 2 names for the same hex. Jacksonville is well known, Fernandina not. You think 2 ports in this region is a good idea (BOTH Jacksonville AND Brunswick)? If you make Jacksonville a minor port then maybe this is good enough for the port capacity in this region. I don't know.

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sajbalk said :
I would also second the motion to have Jacksonville be called the minor port.

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There should be a north-south railroad from Cincinnatti (through Dayton) (through Toledo) to Detroit.