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Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 9/24/2006 2:25:17 AM

frankycee

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Hi, i'm a newbie to TOAWIII.

What would be a reasonable objective for a newbie in the tutorial scenarion (Korea) as the communists?

Can I conquer all of South Korea? or would capturing Seoul and a couple of other cities and then going on the defensive be a good ''starting'' objective for a newbie?

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 9/24/2006 2:29:16 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: frankycee

Hi, i'm a newbie to TOAWIII.

What would be a reasonable objective for a newbie in the tutorial scenarion (Korea) as the communists?

Can I conquer all of South Korea? or would capturing Seoul and a couple of other cities and then going on the defensive be a good ''starting'' objective for a newbie?

Get as far as you can before you start encountering substantial American forces, then entrench. Don't attack American positions unless you can outflank them first. Be prepared for a fighting retreat. Cover your ports and work on your infrastructure.

Very heavy going for the Communists to take Pusan in this scenario even for a good player. Frankly the communists in Korea are not a winning proposition in the long term but you can learn the basics with them, then discard them if things go sour.

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 12/15/2006 4:48:10 AM

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Speaking of newbies and turorials:

I played ACOW a bit when it was on the shelves (quite a while ago) so I thought I would try the tutorial again for this new version of the game (the red vs. grey fictional scenario)

I followed the text and seemed to get a grasp of the mechanics again, but as soon as the tutorial part was finished and I was wished "good luck", the PO proceeded to stomp all over me! For one thing, I'm totally out of practice, but I'm going to look for an AAR of the rest of that scenario if I can find one. The game was going well up to that point, but once the training wheels were off I bit the dirt.

Any specific suggestions on finishing that scenario? dig in hard? keep making small counter-attacks? fall back a bit?

Try, try again, I suppose.

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 12/30/2006 5:10:31 PM

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I received TOAW for Christmas and have been dabbling and learning the ropes.

The same thing happened to me once the tutorial said 'Your on your own! Good luck. I managed to drive my forces to a messy defensive line parallel to Kunsan. This is where things began to go wrong. Due to terrible lack of supply this far south (how do you fix the railroads, none of my engineers seem to be able to!), my forces were at low readiness (due to low supply if I understand correctly). This resulted I think in my units having very poor attack and defend ratings 1/1 1/2 etc. This vs the American units (at ratings of 8 and more) with good supply etc resulted in me getting 'it' handed to me all the way back to P'Yongang.

Need more tutorial materials which cover more advanced concepts. I think one of the major things which is difficult to do is to manage / understand the supply. Methods and strategy for beginners would be good for this.

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 12/31/2006 1:09:19 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: kneecaps

I received TOAW for Christmas and have been dabbling and learning the ropes.

The same thing happened to me once the tutorial said 'Your on your own! Good luck. I managed to drive my forces to a messy defensive line parallel to Kunsan. This is where things began to go wrong. Due to terrible lack of supply this far south (how do you fix the railroads, none of my engineers seem to be able to!), my forces were at low readiness (due to low supply if I understand correctly). This resulted I think in my units having very poor attack and defend ratings 1/1 1/2 etc. This vs the American units (at ratings of 8 and more) with good supply etc resulted in me getting 'it' handed to me all the way back to P'Yongang.

Need more tutorial materials which cover more advanced concepts. I think one of the major things which is difficult to do is to manage / understand the supply. Methods and strategy for beginners would be good for this.

Well, this is just what happens with Korea. The North attacks as far and fast as it can and then the UN counter-attack as far and as fast as they can, then, once you've really gotten beat up, the Chinese show up and help you beat back the UN as far south as you can. The key with the NKs is either to take Pusan, or, failing that, to try to preserve your troops as well as you can as you retreat north, praying for Chinese intervention.

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 1/3/2007 2:37:43 PM

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ORIGINAL: kneecaps

(how do you fix the railroads, none of my engineers seem to be able to!),

You need specialised equipment. I believe the North has one RR repair unit, which has a different icon (a shovel and a pick)

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my forces were at low readiness (due to low supply if I understand correctly). This resulted I think in my units having very poor attack and defend ratings 1/1 1/2 etc. This vs the American units (at ratings of 8 and more) with good supply etc resulted in me getting 'it' handed to me all the way back to P'Yongang.

If your units were as low as 1-1 you'll probably find that they were low on equipment as well as supply and readiness.

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 9/17/2007 10:17:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: golden delicious

quote:

ORIGINAL: frankycee

Hi, i'm a newbie to TOAWIII.

What would be a reasonable objective for a newbie in the tutorial scenarion (Korea) as the communists?

Can I conquer all of South Korea? or would capturing Seoul and a couple of other cities and then going on the defensive be a good ''starting'' objective for a newbie?

Get as far as you can before you start encountering substantial American forces, then entrench. Don't attack American positions unless you can outflank them first. Be prepared for a fighting retreat. Cover your ports and work on your infrastructure.

Very heavy going for the Communists to take Pusan in this scenario even for a good player. Frankly the communists in Korea are not a winning proposition in the long term but you can learn the basics with them, then discard them if things go sour.

Sorry for dredging this one up but it occurs to me that taking Seoul and destroying as many South Korean units as possible during the first turn and then withdrawing your troops in good order to the 38th parallel on the second turn and digging in would be an interesting strategy.

You have enough troops to unite the country only if the Americans don't intervene. Once the United States involves itself there is little prospect of a win for the North.

Politically, you claim that your punitive expedition was in response to continued provocation from the capitalist puppet regime in the South and their imperialist warmongering puppet masters in the Pentagon. You proclaim a great victory, hold a few parades, and decare a national holiday. You can even turn up to talks with the Americans in a relatively friendly mood. "We very much regret having had to take this action but we reserve the right to defend ourselves. Of course, we only want to live in peace."

The imperialist warmongers wouldn't necessarily buy it but they already had severe doubts about Syngman Rhee and the suspicion would only increase. The UN might well buy it.

Now the TOAW PO has all the political savvy of a molusc. The Amercans would build up their strength unmolested and eventually launch an attack to invade the North. With your troops on the 38th parallel, fortified, well supplied, in good order, and defending the narrowest part of the peninsula you will be in a better position to weather the imperialist storm. You gain a certain moral victory by proving to the world that the Americans are the true aggressors in Korea even if you still take a hell of a beating.

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 9/28/2007 5:48:36 PM

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I tried the defend the narrows idea some time ago and it went fairly well, as I recall - but I may have to try it again.....

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RE: Tutorial objective for a newbie? - 9/28/2007 10:03:13 PM

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I have always had a liking for this scenario and I return to it often as the North Korean player against the PO. Never won though. Still, I am getting better (or possibly more devious or possibly both) so I hope that one day...

Best wishes,

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