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Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 12:15:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone have a list which japanese AC factories auto-upgrade on their own?
I know that the G3M Nell factory auto-upgrades, to Betty in Jan 1942, but what about other obsolete plane types: Ida, Claude, Lily, Nate. Do these ever auto-upgrade, or do I have to change them manually to something else?

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 1:42:03 PM   
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Claude - Zero --- i believe it happens in January 42

Hmph... can't recall for Nate, i've started grand campaign a last year...

I change Ida and Lily to other types at the start (not sure if they autoupgrade at all, but think they don't)



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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 1:43:11 PM   
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I know the Mavis factory upgrades to Emily in Jan 42 also. Beyond that, I have no clue. I'm kind of curious also.

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 5:30:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oscar I factories upgrade to Ki-61, a bas idea with PDU off because you have to wait for several months before the Ki-43-IIa is released, and in the mean time the pool of Oscar I will disappear.

Ki-27 factories will logically upgarde to Oscar II, but as they will be useless for a full year I convert them manually in December 1941 to whatever I want (with a pool of 700 Nates no more production is needed).

A6M2 factories upgrade to A6M3a.

Lily and Ida are "terminal" planes, ie are replaced by nothing with PDU off, so factories won't auto-upgrade.

My humble opinion is that most factories will upgrade to the "successor" of the aircraft they are producing. So Val factories should upgrade to Judy, Kates to Jill, Ki-21 to Ki-67, A6M3 and A6M3a to A6M5, etc... Now that I think of it, it is possible that Lily factories upgrade to KI-102 in the latter stage of the war

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 6:20:01 PM   
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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 6:37:21 PM   
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Oscar I factories upgrade to Ki-61, a bas idea with PDU off because you have to wait for several months before the Ki-43-IIa is released, and in the mean time the pool of Oscar I will disappear.

Ki-27 factories will logically upgarde to Oscar II, but as they will be useless for a full year I convert them manually in December 1941 to whatever I want (with a pool of 700 Nates no more production is needed).

A6M2 factories upgrade to A6M3a.

Lily and Ida are "terminal" planes, ie are replaced by nothing with PDU off, so factories won't auto-upgrade.

My humble opinion is that most factories will upgrade to the "successor" of the aircraft they are producing. So Val factories should upgrade to Judy, Kates to Jill, Ki-21 to Ki-67, A6M3 and A6M3a to A6M5, etc... Now that I think of it, it is possible that Lily factories upgrade to KI-102 in the latter stage of the war


Lily should upgrade in 44 to Randy even with PDU off.

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 6:39:33 PM   
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A6M2 factories upgrade to A6M3a.
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My humble opinion is that most factories will upgrade to the "successor" of the aircraft they are producing.


You are right, with the exception that A6M2 will autoupgrade to A6M5.


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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 6:40:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos


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ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent
A6M2 factories upgrade to A6M3a.
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My humble opinion is that most factories will upgrade to the "successor" of the aircraft they are producing.


You are right, with the exception that A6M2 will autoupgrade to A6M5.



What about the A6M3a?

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/26/2006 9:24:19 PM   
AmiralLaurent

 

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A6M2 factories upgrade to A6M3a.
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My humble opinion is that most factories will upgrade to the "successor" of the aircraft they are producing.


You are right, with the exception that A6M2 will autoupgrade to A6M5.



In my PBEM all A6M2 factories auto-upgraded to the A6M3a (it is a stock scenario 15, I don't know if this applies to mod)

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/27/2006 5:00:56 PM   
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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/27/2006 6:01:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BlackVoid

Anyone have a list which japanese AC factories auto-upgrade on their own?
I know that the G3M Nell factory auto-upgrades, to Betty in Jan 1942, but what about other obsolete plane types: Ida, Claude, Lily, Nate. Do these ever auto-upgrade, or do I have to change them manually to something else?

Thank you


It very much depends on mod/scenario. To be 100% sure check aircraft upgrade value in scenairo editor.




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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/27/2006 6:26:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well A6m2 upgrades to A6m3a and this one to A6m5 then A6m8 and in the end into Reppu i think there is some kind of tamplate on this on Spooky's

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/30/2006 5:52:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to let you know about the A6M2 factories....

One of my PBEMs is on 5 Nov 42 and I received the A6M3a this month. All but one A6M2 factories has autoconverted to the A6M3a. The other ones upgraded on different days.

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/30/2006 6:26:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		With PDU on in Stock Scn 15 my Oscar factories auto-upgraded to Tonys as soon as they became available. Same thing with A6M2 converting to A6M3a

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/30/2006 7:36:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't know how old this is...but it is on spooky's site under 'files' section...may not be whay you're looking for since i don't see any factory data included...

#) Aircraft Name --> Upgrade #) Upgrade Aircraft
1) A5M4 Claude --> 3) A6M2 Zero
2) A6M2-N Rufe
3) A6M2 Zero --> 4) A6M3 Zero
4) A6M3 Zero --> 5) A6M5 Zeke
5) A6M5 Zeke
7) N1K1-J George
8) J1N1-C Irving
10) D3A Val --> 12) D4Y Judy
12) D4Y Judy
13) A6M5-B Zeke
15) B5N Kate --> 17) B6N Jill
17) B6N Jill
20) G3M Nell --> 22) G4M1 Betty
22) G4M1 Betty --> 23) G4M2 Betty
23) G4M2 Betty
25) P1Y Frances
27) J1N1-R Irving
28) H6K Mavis --> 29) H8K Emily
29) H8K Emily
30) E8N Dave --> 32) E13A1 Jake
31) F1M2 Pete
32) E13A1 Jake
33) E7K2 Alf
34) Ki-27 Nate --> 35) Ki-43-Ia Oscar
35) Ki-43-Ia Oscar --> 36) Ki-43-IIa Oscar
36) Ki-43-IIa Oscar --> 39) Ki-61 KAIc Tony
37) Ki-44-IIb Tojo
38) Ki-45 KAIb Nick
39) Ki-61 KAIc Tony --> 40) Ki-84-Ia Frank
40) Ki-84-Ia Frank --> 41) Ki-84-Ic Frank
41) Ki-84-Ic Frank
42) Ki-45 KAIa Nick
43) Ki-51 Sonia
44) Ki-21 Sally --> 46) Ki-67 Peggy
45) Ki-48 Lily
46) Ki-67 Peggy
47) Ki-46 Dinah
48) Ki-49 Helen --> 46) Ki-67 Peggy
49) Ki-57-I Topsy
60) F2A Buffalo --> 62) F4F-3 Wildcat
62) F4F-3 Wildcat --> 63) F4F-4 Wildcat
63) F4F-4 Wildcat --> 65) F6F Hellcat
65) F6F Hellcat
67) F4U-1 Corsair --> 68) F4U-4 Corsair
68) F4U-4 Corsair
71) SBD Dauntless --> 73) SB2C Helldiver
73) SB2C Helldiver
76) TBD Devastator --> 77) TBF Avenger
77) TBF Avenger
80) PBY Catalina
82) OS2U-3 Kingfisher
83) SOC-3 Seagull
87) Hudson --> 96) Beaufighter VIC
89) C-47 Dakota
91) Hurricane II --> 93) Spitfire Vb
93) Spitfire Vb --> 94) Spitfire IX
94) Spitfire IX
95) Boomerang II
96) Beaufighter VIC
97) Beaufort --> 96) Beaufighter VIC
98) Wellington III
99) Wirraway --> 95) Boomerang II
100) P-400 Airacobra --> 101) P-39D Airacobra
101) P-39D Airacobra --> 105) P-38G Lightning
103) P-40E Kittyhawk
104) P-40E Warhawk --> 105) P-38G Lightning
105) P-38G Lightning --> 106) P-38J Lightning
106) P-38J Lightning
107) F-5A Lightning --> 108) F-5C Lightning
108) F-5C Lightning
109) P-47C Thunderbolt --> 110) P-47D Thunderbolt
110) P-47D Thunderbolt
112) A-36A Apache --> 103) P-40E Kittyhawk
113) P-51B Mustang --> 114) P-51D Mustang
114) P-51D Mustang
115) F-6A Mustang --> 116) F-6D Mustang
116) F-6D Mustang
117) P-61A Black Widow
118) P-70A Havoc
119) A-24 Dauntless --> 140) A-20B Havoc
120) A-20B Boston --> 143) A-20G Boston
121) A-20G Havoc
123) B-25D Mitchell --> 124) B-25J Mitchell
124) B-25J Mitchell
126) B-26B Marauder --> 124) B-25J Mitchell
127) B-26G Marauder --> 124) B-25J Mitchell
129) A-26B Invader
132) B-17E Fortress --> 137) B-24J Liberator
133) B-17G Fortress
135) PB4Y Liberator
136) B-24D Liberator --> 137) B-24J Liberator
137) B-24J Liberator
140) A-20B Havoc --> 121) A-20G Havoc
142) P-39D Airacobra --> 103) P-40E Kittyhawk
143) A-20G Boston


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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/30/2006 8:12:25 PM   
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Here it is... 


Aircraft         Entry   Upgrade to       Replacement  Type            Navy/Army
                 Date                     Date

A5M4 Claude      Jan-37  A2M2 Zero        Sep-40       Fighter         Navy
A6M2 Zero        Sep-40  A6M3a Zero       Nov-42       Fighter         Navy
A6M3 Zero        Apr-42  A6M5 Zeke        Sep-43       Fighter         Navy
A6M3a Zero       Nov-42  A6M5 Zeke        Sep-43       Fighter         Navy
A6M5 Zeke        Sep-43  A6M8 Zeke        Jun-45       Fighter         Navy
A6M8 Zeke        Jun-45  A7M2 Reppu       Jul-45       Fighter         Navy
A7M2 Reppu       Jul-45  A7M2 Reppu       Jul-45       Fighter         Navy

N1K1-J George    Jan-44  J7W Shinden      Aug-45       Fighter         Navy
J2M Jack         Mar-43  J7W Shinden      Aug-45       Fighter         Navy
J7W Shinden      Aug-45  J7W Shinden      Aug-45       Fighter         Navy

A6M2-N Ruffe     Dec-41  A6M2-N Ruffe     Dec-41       Float Fighter   Navy

A6M5c Zeke       Sep-43  A6M5c Zeke       Sep-43       Fighter Bomber  Navy

J1N1-S Irving    Sep-43  C6N1-S Myrt      Sep-44       Night Fighter   Navy
C6N1-S Myrt      Sep-44  C6N1-S Myrt      Sep-44       Night Fighter   Navy

D1A Susie        Jan-39  D3A Val          Jan-39       Dive Bomber     Navy
D3A Val          Jan-39  D4Y Judy         Nov-43       Dive Bomber     Navy
D4Y Judy         Nov-43  D4Y Judy         Nov-43       Dive Bomber     Navy

B4Y Jean         Jan-39  B5N Kate         Jan-39       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
B5N Kate         Jan-39  B6N Jill         Dec-43       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
B6N Jill         Dec-43  B7A Grace        Jun-44       Torpedo Bomber  Navy
B7A Grace        Jun-44  B7A Grace        Jun-44       Torpedo Bomber  Navy

G3M Nell         Jan-36  G4M1 Betty       Jun-41       Level Bomber    Navy
G4M1 Betty       Jun-41  G4M2 Betty       Jul-43       Level Bomber    Navy
G4M2 Betty       Jul-43  G4M2 Betty       Jul-43       Level Bomber    Navy
G4M2e Betty      Oct-44  G4M2e Betty      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Navy
P1Y Frances      Dec-43  P1Y Frances      Dec-43       Level Bomber    Navy

J1N1-R Irving    Oct-42  C6N Myrt         Mar-44       Recon           Navy
C5M Babs         Jan-39  J1N1-R Irving    Oct-42       Recon           Navy
C6N Myrt         Mar-44  C6N Myrt         Mar-44       Recon           Navy

H6K4 Mavis       Jan-41  H8K Emily        Jan-42       Patrol          Navy
H8K Emily        Jan-42  H8K Emily        Jan-42       Patrol          Navy

H6K2-L Mavis     Jan-41  H6K2 - L Mavis   Jan-41       Transport       Navy
L1N1 Thora       Jan-36  L1N1 Thora       Jan-36       Transport       Navy
L3Y Tina         Jan-36  L3Y Tina         Jan-36       Transport       Navy
L2D2 Tabby       Jan-41  L2D2 Tabby       Jan-41       Transport       Navy

E7K2 Alf         Jan-39  E7K2 Alf         Jan-39       Float           Navy
E8N Dave         Jan-38  E13A1 Jake       Oct-41       Float           Navy
F1M2 Pete        Jan-41  F1M2 Pete        Jan-41       Float           Navy
E13A1 Jake       Oct-41  E13A1 Jake       Oct-41       Float           Navy
E14Y1 Glen       Sep-41  E14Y1 Glen       Sep-41       Float           Navy

Ki-27 Nate       Jan-37  Ki-43-IIa Oscar  Jan-43       Fighter         Army
Ki-43-Ib Oscar   Dec-41  Ki-61 KA1c Tony  Aug-42       Fighter         Army
Ki-43-IIa Oscar  Jan-43  Ki-43-IIa Oscar  Jan-43       Fighter         Army
Ki-44 IIb Tojo   Aug-42  Ki-84-Ia Frank   Aug-44       Fighter         Army
Ki-46 III Dinah  Oct-44  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Fighter         Army
Ki-61 KA1c Tony  Aug-42  Ki-100 Tony      Feb-45       Fighter         Army
Ki-84-Ia Frank   Aug-44  Ki-84-Ic Frank   Dec-44       Fighter         Army
Ki-84-Ic Frank   Dec-44  Ki-84-Ic Frank   Dec-44       Fighter         Army
Ki-100 Tony      Feb-45  Ki-100 Tony      Feb-45       Fighter         Army

Ki-45 KAIb Nick  Jan-43  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Fighter Bomber  Army
Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Fighter Bomber  Army

Ki-45 KAIa Nick  Dec-42  Ki-45 KA1c Nick  Apr-44       Night Fighter   Army
Ki-45 KAIc Nick  Apr-44  Ki-45 KA1c Nick  Apr-44       Night Fighter   Army

Ki-30 Ann        Jan-39  Ki-51 Sonia      Jan-39       Dive Bomber     Army
Ki-32 Mary       Jan-39  Ki-48 Lily       Jan-40       Dive Bomber     Army
Ki-51 Sonia      Jan-39  Ki-51 Sonia      Jan-39       Dive Bomber     Army

Ki-21 Sally      Jan-38  Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Army
Ki-48 Lily       Jan-40  Ki-102a Randy    Jul-44       Level Bomber    Army
Ki-49 Helen      Dec-41  Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Army
Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44  Ki-67 Peggy      Oct-44       Level Bomber    Army

Ki-36 Ida        Jan-39  Ki-36 Ida        Jan-39       Recon           Army
Ki-15 Babs       Jan-39  Ki-46 II Dinah   Jun-41       Recon           Army
Ki-46 II Dinah   Jun-41  Ki-46 III Dinah  Jan-43       Recon           Army
Ki-46 III Dinah  Jan-43  Ki-46 III Dinah  Jan-43       Recon           Army

Ki-57 II Topsy   Jan-41  Ki-57 II Topsy   Jan-41       Transport       Army
Ki-59 Theresa    Jan-41  Ki-54 Hickory    Jan-41       Transport       Army
MC-21 Sally      Jan-38  MC-21 Sally      Jan-38       Transport       Army
Ki-54 Hickory    Jan-41  Ki-54 Hickory    Jan-41       Transport       Army



Leo "Apollo11"


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This should be at Spooky's as well - I made (from unknown original) long long time ago...

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/30/2006 11:26:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, so factories auto-upgrade based on the default upgrade for that aircraft type. What about factories that have been converted? Do they upgrade based on what they are currently producing or based on what they originally were producing? I would assume the former, but just curious if anyone knows for sure.

So if you converted the Nell factory to Zeros on day one, would it autoconvert to Bettys right away or A6M3a once they are available?

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/31/2006 11:30:16 AM   
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Okay, so factories auto-upgrade based on the default upgrade for that aircraft type. What about factories that have been converted? Do they upgrade based on what they are currently producing or based on what they originally were producing? I would assume the former, but just curious if anyone knows for sure.


Converted factory later convert to the aircraft type that comes after the aircrfat type they are currently producing (and at the time of change - possible to accelerate)...


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So if you converted the Nell factory to Zeros on day one, would it autoconvert to Bettys right away or A6M3a once they are available?


In your example your converted Nell factory would produce A6M2's until it is time to upgrade and after that it would convert to A6M3a's (i.e. it would _NOT_ convert to produce Betty's )...


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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 10/31/2006 2:54:31 PM   
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So if you converted the Nell factory to Zeros on day one, would it autoconvert to Bettys right away or A6M3a once they are available?


In your example your converted Nell factory would produce A6M2's until it is time to upgrade and after that it would convert to A6M3a's (i.e. it would _NOT_ convert to produce Betty's )...


Leo "Apollo11"


Apollo, your statement is correct.

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RE: Japanese factory auto-upgrade - 11/1/2006 10:33:13 AM   
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