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RE: Malaya Map - 2/22/2008 11:22:33 PM   
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You are quite right. The Japanese didn't dare to bring naval assets within range of Singapore's Naval Artillery Batteries, many of which were battleship guns from WW1 battleships that were scrapped. These 11-15 inch guns were mounted in massive casemates on hilltops that gave them exceptional range and fields of fire...towards the sea only. They were unable to rotate to bring most of them to bear on the landward side. Even had they been able to, these guns were not very viable in this role, they had armor piercing shells and were very large calibre, not very suitable for anti infantry use.

That being said, a few 15 inch shells landing on the Japanese assualt would likely have given them some pause.

There are no Naval Artillery rules in WifFE other then the basic Naval Movement Restrictions on narrow areas that were historically heavily covered by Naval Guns and mines (Gibraltar, Dover, Copenhagen, Singapore) making enemy passage suicidal.

So, allowing Japanese Shore Bombardment to support a landward attack on Singapore is allowed. Is this realistic? No, not really, the IJN would have been hammered if they tried, but it is allowable in RAW.

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RE: Malaya Map - 2/22/2008 11:32:23 PM   
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If we want to be *really* accurate on Singapore's defences there should be a "Lord Percival Rule". If the Japanese assault the city, roll a die, on a 1 to 8 Lord Percival surrenders his 100,000 troops and 400 guns without a fight. On a 9 or 10 fight the combat normally.




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RE: Malaya Map - 4/28/2009 11:03:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Norman42

If we want to be *really* accurate on Singapore's defences there should be a "Lord Percival Rule". If the Japanese assault the city, roll a die, on a 1 to 8 Lord Percival surrenders his 100,000 troops and 400 guns without a fight. On a 9 or 10 fight the combat normally.





Oi! Percival did fight. He surrendered because the Japanese had captured all the reservoirs on Singapore Island. He knew the Japanese could just dug-in in their existing positions and wait for thirst to do its work.

The brutal reality is all the Allied nations were totally outclassed by the Japanese in 1941 (except the Soviets), and the cause of that was principally a form of racism that pre-war grossly underestimated Japanese military prowess.

But the real tragedy is that in fact Yamashita was himself desperately short of supplies. If the Commonwealth had held on, Singapore could have stalled the Japanese in the same way Bataan did.

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RE: Malaya Map - 4/29/2009 4:58:23 AM   
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RE: Malaya Map - 4/29/2009 8:31:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

quote:

ORIGINAL: Norman42

If we want to be *really* accurate on Singapore's defences there should be a "Lord Percival Rule". If the Japanese assault the city, roll a die, on a 1 to 8 Lord Percival surrenders his 100,000 troops and 400 guns without a fight. On a 9 or 10 fight the combat normally.





Oi! Percival did fight. He surrendered because the Japanese had captured all the reservoirs on Singapore Island. He knew the Japanese could just dug-in in their existing positions and wait for thirst to do its work.

The brutal reality is all the Allied nations were totally outclassed by the Japanese in 1941 (except the Soviets), and the cause of that was principally a form of racism that pre-war grossly underestimated Japanese military prowess.

But the real tragedy is that in fact Yamashita was himself desperately short of supplies. If the Commonwealth had held on, Singapore could have stalled the Japanese in the same way Bataan did.


It is difficult to hold on without water.

I am sure that the Japanese also had it easier to get supply by sea at that time.

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