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Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 1:13:36 AM

Halsey

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So how does the community like IE 7.0?

Any tips on browser settings?

No I don't use Firefox.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 2:46:24 AM

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MHO, not much different than 6. Buttons are in different places, graphics are more cartooney. I don't use the tabs. My ISP home page seems to load slower. Could be the anti-phishing scan.
Clear text setting is for LCD screens. I had to turn it off for my CRT.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 9:40:52 AM

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Downloaded it, it caused some problem with my browser file (SBC.exe). Got a message saying Can't make Networking bridge on startup. And then showed me a that a psad.dll file in the sbc.exe can't be found.

Its working (limping along) but at times my computer freezes trying to bridge inbetween web sites.

Also having the same experience as junk2drive, Isp home page loads slower. I don't have their anti-phising enabled!

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 11:53:24 AM

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My wife has it on her computer. I took one look at it, it looks like they had a 19-year old designing the interface. There might be options to make it look like a normal application but I didn't even look that far. In a word: UGLY.

I'm a huge fan of tabs as I don't like the way Windows manages windows but that didn't sway me in my opinion that IE7 is dogmeat. I don't mind the new jellybean look but IE7 just got it wrong in nearly every aspect.

Once again, Microsoft ignores users while trying to look like they've listened.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 1:42:46 PM

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I have both IE7 and Firefox. I still much prefer to use Firefox. IE7 is very clunky and as previouly stated the interface is ugly!

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 2:59:04 PM

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I tried the Public Beta of I.E. 7. It seemed to require Net framework 2.0.

I have nothing against Net Framework 2.0, but my computer apparently does. So, I uninstalled both. I have used Mozilla and then the Firefox/Thunderbird combo for ages now. I am quite happy with it, and Firefox 2.0 is better still. Also, it appears to need less continual updating, perhaps because people are not trying to hack it too much because they are too busy trying to ruin Microsoft's life instead.

I am still a Firefox junky.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 5:10:19 PM

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I use firefox and it works very well so I see no need going back to IE...

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 6:36:11 PM

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Agree with the above criticisms of IE.

I use Firefox 2.0 unless absolutely forced to use IE 7.0 by a website. I've had the same erratic problems with IE and lots of crashes with it when changing web sites. IE 7 is "not ready for prime time" in my opinion.

I really like the new Firefox feature that offers to reload all your open windows from your last session (if you have a power outage or crash). Another favorite of mine is the ease of customization of buttons for frequently accessed websites.

Firefox just continues to get better and has a clear advantage over the Microsoft browser. In a sense, they have claimed the "high ground" and Microsoft is having to try to implement similar features as Firefox without obviously stealing their ideas. As a result, MS is having to develop a "unique look" which people seem to agree is not all that useful or attractive. I was turned off to it the first time I loaded their beta and the release version isn't any better.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 7:15:03 PM

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Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

So lets see, how many versions is this now?

Sorry, but even if IE7 actually DOES work correctly, I'd still be telling Gates to get stuffed and to ram his IE whatever number where it hurts hehe.

The only thing I am interested in trying is the new Firefox 2

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 8:11:06 PM

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That's what I think about VISTA OS also and directx 10.0 ;)

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 9:41:54 PM

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Well. Microsoft is riding the tiger... they could lose it all in a very short time if they don't manage to convince people to keep buying their endless upgrades. Personally, I haven't "needed" the last three versions of MS Office. How many times do I have to replace my word processing software anyway? How many times do I have to relearn an interface because MS moves everything around to convince you that they are offering a "different" product?

Will I buy "Vista"? Not unless I get it for $5 like I got XP back at Indiana University.

Ditto for the new Office package.

Of course, they will do everything they can to force you into buying by changing file formats and so forth to make it difficult NOT to upgrade in order to be "compatible" with those who do.

I think they know they are on the edge of a massive "meltdown" if they don't rethink their business model (and they are trying... look at the current business news on management shakeups and new blood getting hired away from Internet companies to help MS "get" the Internet right)! Google is eating them alive (and Google will probably be the next "target" for our dislike as they come to dominate the internet).

Companies rise and companies fall... Microsoft is the decadent Roman Empire of our times. I wouldn't be buying their stock, if I were you.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 9:42:34 PM

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Oh,yea... and don't forget Linux!

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 9:56:59 PM

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Everything has its day, then it dies.

MS is built around a single program essentially. They insist on shuffling the parts, but it's always just Windows.

Now if it was a game, we'd all be expecting these patch wannabes for free. And to me, XP was a patch for 98SE.

The advantage MS has, is that businesses blindly include it, and it's still the primary default OS sold with new computers. The moment MS loses that sweet spot the dance will be over.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/19/2006 11:58:59 PM

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CP/M anybody? or am I the old and crumbly bloke (or blokess") round here?

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 1:13:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn
Personally, I haven't "needed" the last three versions of MS Office. How many times do I have to replace my word processing software anyway? How many times do I have to relearn an interface because MS moves everything around to convince you that they are offering a "different" product?

I don't even know how many versions have come and gone but I have never seen any reason to upgrade from Office 2000. And apparenly I am not alone because I have never yet had to ask anyone to save in the older format for me (which is how they typically force upgrades - by changing the save format).

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 3:32:57 AM

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quote:

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CP/M anybody? or am I the old and crumbly bloke (or blokess") round here?

You aren't alone... I remember it... and the story about how Digital Research blew their chance to be IBM's PC operating system because the President kept the IBM crew waiting in the lobby for four hours until they gave up and flew to Washington state to see some guy named "Gates" about something called "DOS"...

One of the great business blunders of all time.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 10:18:21 AM

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I remember CP/M. The first personal computer I used was an Osborne. Before that I played resource management games on mainframes without screens. I admit though that I was but a youngin' then.

On the subject of Office. I worked for Microsoft on the Office team as a tester and program manager. I agree about "needing" (not) the newer versions. Hell, I'm still using Office 98...on my Mac. I keep my Windows box as neutered as possible.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 12:46:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Firefox just continues to get better and has a clear advantage over the Microsoft browser. In a sense, they have claimed the "high ground" and Microsoft is having to try to implement similar features as Firefox without obviously stealing their ideas. As a result, MS is having to develop a "unique look" which people seem to agree is not all that useful or attractive. I was turned off to it the first time I loaded their beta and the release version isn't any better.

As for the stealing part so many people seem to harp one these days.

Well it is not that everything of the nice features of Firefox was invented by its developers

. If you say MS is stealing from Firefox then you have to say that Firefox is stealing from Opera (first browser with Tabs and PopUp-Blocker) and the older Netscape browsers too.

In the end it would come down to the first mainstream internet browsers, which were Netscape's Navigator and the IE.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 4:29:36 PM

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I am using FF 1.5 (though I think I will upgrade quite soon to 2.0). Have not met any site that did not work with it.
For Office stuff, there is OpenOffice, does most of the things MS Office does, but for free.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 11:28:38 PM

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I come from the days of the black screen of death � which preceded the blue screen of death. As Windows is a Microsoft product and so I am more comfortable with a Microsoft browser.

I downloaded IE7 last week and it runs just fine.

But I hate the fact that the buttons have been moved all over the place and there is no option for me to move them back.

As for Office software, for home I use Microsoft Works circa 2003. These are equally or more powerful than the Microsoft Office suites of 1995. Can�t imagine what else you would need for home use.

As for work, our company uses Office 2002. I expect there be no reason to upgrade for some years.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/20/2006 11:36:46 PM

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As for tabs in browsers they do nothing for me. Often when I click on a link I right-click and �Open in another window�.

So I have not found a use for tabs.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/21/2006 8:21:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Firefox just continues to get better and has a clear advantage over the Microsoft browser. In a sense, they have claimed the "high ground" and Microsoft is having to try to implement similar features as Firefox without obviously stealing their ideas. As a result, MS is having to develop a "unique look" which people seem to agree is not all that useful or attractive. I was turned off to it the first time I loaded their beta and the release version isn't any better.

As for the stealing part so many people seem to harp one these days.

Well it is not that everything of the nice features of Firefox was invented by its developers . If you say MS is stealing from Firefox then you have to say that Firefox is stealing from Opera (first browser with Tabs and PopUp-Blocker) and the older Netscape browsers too.

In the end it would come down to the first mainstream internet browsers, which were Netscape's Navigator and the IE.

Agreed... I was an Opera fan before Firefox came along. However, Firefox just did a better job overall and I drifted away from using Opera. I personally have no objection to Microsoft "stealing" ideas, but I maintain that their own pride drives them to try and appear "different". Of course, who knows... maybe they honestly like the way they designed IE7

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/21/2006 9:31:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Firefox just continues to get better and has a clear advantage over the Microsoft browser. In a sense, they have claimed the "high ground" and Microsoft is having to try to implement similar features as Firefox without obviously stealing their ideas. As a result, MS is having to develop a "unique look" which people seem to agree is not all that useful or attractive. I was turned off to it the first time I loaded their beta and the release version isn't any better.

As for the stealing part so many people seem to harp one these days.

Well it is not that everything of the nice features of Firefox was invented by its developers . If you say MS is stealing from Firefox then you have to say that Firefox is stealing from Opera (first browser with Tabs and PopUp-Blocker) and the older Netscape browsers too.

In the end it would come down to the first mainstream internet browsers, which were Netscape's Navigator and the IE.

Agreed... I was an Opera fan before Firefox came along. However, Firefox just did a better job overall and I drifted away from using Opera. I personally have no objection to Microsoft "stealing" ideas, but I maintain that their own pride drives them to try and appear "different". Of course, who knows... maybe they honestly like the way they designed IE7

In response to the bolded part, you are now confusing Microsoft with Apple. Microsoft has never strived to be "different," their money is in mainstream, they rely on smaller companies to take the risks. Only after those risks have proven themselves effective does Microsoft adopt (or buy) them. At that point it is no longer "different."

Microsoft has an internal policy which pretty much squashes any radical ideas long before they get into a product like Office or IE. This is, of course, unless those ideas are had by the 20-something-just-out-of-grad-school Program Managers they tend to put in charge of the products millions are forced to use.

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RE: Internet Explorer 7.0 - 11/22/2006 3:21:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jvgfanatic

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

Firefox just continues to get better and has a clear advantage over the Microsoft browser. In a sense, they have claimed the "high ground" and Microsoft is having to try to implement similar features as Firefox without obviously stealing their ideas. As a result, MS is having to develop a "unique look" which people seem to agree is not all that useful or attractive. I was turned off to it the first time I loaded their beta and the release version isn't any better.

As for the stealing part so many people seem to harp one these days.

Well it is not that everything of the nice features of Firefox was invented by its developers . If you say MS is stealing from Firefox then you have to say that Firefox is stealing from Opera (first browser with Tabs and PopUp-Blocker) and the older Netscape browsers too.

In the end it would come down to the first mainstream internet browsers, which were Netscape's Navigator and the IE.

Agreed... I was an Opera fan before Firefox came along. However, Firefox just did a better job overall and I drifted away from using Opera. I personally have no objection to Microsoft "stealing" ideas, but I maintain that their own pride drives them to try and appear "different". Of course, who knows... maybe they honestly like the way they designed IE7

In response to the bolded part, you are now confusing Microsoft with Apple. Microsoft has never strived to be "different," their money is in mainstream, they rely on smaller companies to take the risks. Only after those risks have proven themselves effective does Microsoft adopt (or buy) them. At that point it is no longer "different."

Microsoft has an internal policy which pretty much squashes any radical ideas long before they get into a product like Office or IE. This is, of course, unless those ideas are had by the 20-something-just-out-of-grad-school Program Managers they tend to put in charge of the products millions are forced to use.