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RE: Hearts of iron - 11/29/2006 2:23:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jevhaddah

"Noooooo NOT ANIMAL FARM!!" Screams Jevvy

Sorry for the outburst chaps and chapesses.

I had to write soo many essays and reports about that little book in skool. When I left in 1976 I ritualy burried it, in a tin box under the house I was living in at the time.

Fortunatley the house was demolished about ten years ago and the book went with it.

Sigh... my doctor said I was cured... but.... now it has come back to haunt me, I just know that it's behind me.. dare I turn around....

I't did not help that most of my teachers were Communists of the Chinese flavour, all with their little Red Books, it made for some interesting discussions though.

We had a lot of em in Scottish Skools at the time.

Cheers
Jev

We had a lot of that in my school as well, including the Red Chinese infiltrators on the teaching staff. My bete noir, however, was The Wall. I don't think I've ever had to analyze, re-analyze and interpret something that heavily before or since. It was... disturbing...

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RE: Hearts of iron - 12/27/2006 8:30:44 PM

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As I understand it, the first version of HoI was released prematurely because of deadline pressure from the US publisher, Strategy First.� Judging all subsequent versions by this is like judging the US Army in WW2 from their performance in the Philippines�and Kasserine.

Having separate tactical and strategic layers for battle resolution is quite feasible.� At least one of the Close Combat series was like this.� An even better game which had this was Master of Orion II.� That's another game which was buggy on its first release but is now regarded as a classic.

The problem with such multilayered systems is that they are difficult to make multiplayer because the timescales for strategic and tactical play are different.��But WW2 Online seems to be getting somewhere with its MMORPG approach.� That's yet another game which was too buggy on its first release.� I have tried it yet but it may be mature enough to try now ...

Andrew�

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RE: Hearts of iron - 12/28/2006 3:26:45 PM

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Terminus: That perked my interest...when you mention the "Wall" you refer to Berlin, China, Pink Floyd, Soviet , hmmm?

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ORIGINAL: Jevhaddah
"Noooooo NOT ANIMAL FARM!!" Screams Jevvy

Sorry for the outburst chaps and chapesses.

Poor Jev...I hope I dont cause a relapse but did you know there was a cartoon made of that book it was very close to the original book. I was 10 when it became required reading along with Huxley and A Brave New World, Andromeda Strain and Farenheit 451... Also I am curious, what year or age group were you in when you read that. I notice lately that schools have become quite behind when exposing students to symbol and abstract, frankly it seems there is a great "hole" presently in education, but I blather or rather bleet (sheeps!

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Sorry all on the tangent.

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RE: Hearts of iron - 12/28/2006 6:12:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Colonel Warden

As I understand it, the first version of HoI was released prematurely because of deadline pressure from the US publisher, Strategy First. Judging all subsequent versions by this is like judging the US Army in WW2 from their performance in the Philippines and Kasserine.

And if they continued to perform the same way, that would be perfectly acceptable. Post HOI, HOI2, Doomsday, Crusader Kings and Victoria were all seriously bug-ridden on release, without the comfortable excuse of "Strategy First pressure."

I love Paradox games, but their testing and release methodology is seriously flawed, and it affects post-release patches as much as releases.

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RE: Hearts of iron - 12/30/2006 5:17:31 PM

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quote:

Poor Jev...I hope I dont cause a relapse but did you know there was a cartoon made of that book it was very close to the original book. I was 10 when it became required reading along with Huxley and A Brave New World, Andromeda Strain and Farenheit 451... Also I am curious, what year or age group were you in when you read that. I notice lately that schools have become quite behind when exposing students to symbol and abstract, frankly it seems there is a great "hole" presently in education, but I blather or rather bleet (sheeps!).

I was 11 and in first year of Secondary Skool ( read High School for our American friends) when I was exposed to Animal Farm, in my innocence I thought it was a story about a bad farmer and his clever animals.... sigh I was niave

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The book just never went away, it was the Establishments counter to the Communists Little Red Book and it would be thrust upon us every year of my skool life

I used to plead for a chance to read 1984 just to relieve the monotony

In Scotland at the time.. well my part of it.. children did not really know much of anything outside our own wee area and communist (read communal) was something yoo all shared... like a commusist drying green or outside cludgy (toilet)

Cheers

Jev

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RE: Hearts of iron - 1/3/2007 6:57:07 PM

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Hey can't be all that bad Pink Floyd did a whole album about that book

Cludgy

Ya know out here in da boonies we collect dem out houses, thems antiques and the city folk pay top dollar fer that quaint lifestlye, specially if it has a moon carved on the door.

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RE: Hearts of iron - 1/3/2007 8:17:13 PM

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I would hope the outhouse has been reconditioned!
In the antique buyers world the more an object has signs of age,wear and tear the more valuable the object. That would mean the outhouse with the most **** and **** stains would be the most valuablee

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RE: Hearts of iron - 1/3/2007 9:33:15 PM

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Yes, yes, it has been said the Cludgey with the most sploogey fetches the highest bids!

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The Yankee Motto:
Use it up,
Wear it out,
Make do,
Or do without.
"God Help us, and God, come yourself.
Don't send Jesus, this is no place for children."

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