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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/5/2008 10:10:24 PM   
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Industrial capacity and technology went wrong Capt Ishii.  The #s and odds were bound to finally take their toll as the Pacific war of attrition moves on.  A truly fantastic story CF.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/5/2008 10:39:44 PM   
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Well, the good news is (provided Hibiki makes it out this battle alive) we get to witness the long slow contraction of the Japanese empire from the eyes of our favorite destroyer crew. It will be interesting to read of how the morale of the crew changes over the next year as food, fuel and other shortages start to take their toll.

Not to mention what will become a world where there is not place completely safe, and there is no such things as relaxing in port because Allied planes can reach anywhere.

Still a ways off but at least we get to read CF's wonderful tale for a bit longer than if the US had negotiated an end to the war at this battle.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/5/2008 10:50:55 PM   
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The fragmentary reports Hibiki is receiving tell that the Japanese surface forces, groping for the enemy in the darkness, have collided with the powerful enemy battleship group that was covering the Efate landings. The Allies have more battleships, but this is offset in a series of chaotic nighttime engagements by the Japanese proficiency in making torpedo attacks.

In the end the two sides shoot each other to rags and are both forced to retire. Though tactically a draw this action puts an end to the last chance the Japanese have to salvage a win from the battle.


I am amazed beyond words at the output of exciting battle scenes in such a short period of time. BUT -- I'm also hopelessly greedy for more. Can we have an after-action review of the surface action? Did any BB's sink outright? How is Yamato faring?

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/5/2008 11:35:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Well, the good news is (provided Hibiki makes it out this battle alive) we get to witness the long slow contraction of the Japanese empire from the eyes of our favorite destroyer crew. It will be interesting to read of how the morale of the crew changes over the next year as food, fuel and other shortages start to take their toll.

Not to mention what will become a world where there is not place completely safe, and there is no such things as relaxing in port because Allied planes can reach anywhere.

Still a ways off but at least we get to read CF's wonderful tale for a bit longer than if the US had negotiated an end to the war at this battle.


You know, that's exactly what I told myself when this battle was over: "At least this will make for interesting reading in the AAR." The game is now in March 1944 and Japan is struggling to hold back the rising Allied tide. Stay tuned!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 12:13:19 AM   
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The fragmentary reports Hibiki is receiving tell that the Japanese surface forces, groping for the enemy in the darkness, have collided with the powerful enemy battleship group that was covering the Efate landings. The Allies have more battleships, but this is offset in a series of chaotic nighttime engagements by the Japanese proficiency in making torpedo attacks.

In the end the two sides shoot each other to rags and are both forced to retire. Though tactically a draw this action puts an end to the last chance the Japanese have to salvage a win from the battle.


I am amazed beyond words at the output of exciting battle scenes in such a short period of time. BUT -- I'm also hopelessly greedy for more. Can we have an after-action review of the surface action? Did any BB's sink outright? How is Yamato faring?


It was quite a fight, with several task forces involved. No battleships went down on either side during the battle, though the Japanese lost CA Maya. My opponent did say he was surprised at the amount of damage the Japanese inflicted on his two large battleship task forces. I will throw in more details, maybe even a bit of a narrative of the fight, if Hibiki reaches Kwajalein safely to learn of them.

Yamato and Musashi were not involved in this battle.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 12:22:37 AM   
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What a contrast to the results of the CV vs. CV battle that ended the game between Honda and Ravendave. Almost the complete opposite.   So many hours spent playing the game (and writing the AAR) and only a few turns like these can decide the whole course of the war. The possibility of Japan winning the war have taken a turn for the worse.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 1:32:02 AM   
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Cuttlefish--I will drink a bottle of Sake for you, the Empire, and the crew of the IJN Hibiki!

Terminus--In my Stock Game with Mandrake and my Big B 1.4 vs. Canoerebel, I will have ALL those carriers by June 1, 1943.  Acceleration is a wonderful thing...another 260+ planes may have made the difference for Japan in Cuttlefish's battle!


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 1:51:52 AM   
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Yeah, acceleration... What a wonderful (and desperately artificial) boost to Japan...

Still, this is not the place to discuss that topic.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 2:15:56 AM   
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Well, I think it is a topic for this AAR - I'd love to know if any carriers have been accelerated in CF's game. I doubt he'll answer us directly, but maybe we'll see some hints in the narrative soon.



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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 2:59:52 AM   
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Five CVs for one Br. CV!@!

Wow, the long sought "decisive battle" may have been fought and it is an Allied victory.  However, "decisiveness" in a war ranging over the area involved is a very subjective term.  While it is clear that the ability of the Japanese to wage offensive war in the Pacific is over, she is far from defeated.  Given the time of the game, the Allies will have to hurry along to win this war.

Oh, but what is that smell?  Burning carriers?  Bunker oil blazing on the surface of the Pacific?  Oh, nope, it is FDR and Churchill simultaneously burning the Japanese peace proposal.

A bloody war of attrition will now grind toward the Home Islands.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 3:30:03 AM   
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John the 3rd dont drink sake... I had some of that the other day and it was reatched stuff... then again my fault for getting the pear flavored (or was it peach flavored) kind... yea.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 3:36:15 AM   
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I really would like to know what is left of Japans CV force.

Does anyone have a clue which CV participated and what size they had?



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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 3:40:13 AM   
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The whole fleet from the sound of it, he has listed what sunk also, I belive 4 of them? or was it 5.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 3:43:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: flanyboy

The whole fleet from the sound of it, he has listed what sunk also, I belive 4 of them? or was it 5.


From what Cuttlefish wrote - it sounds like all 12 IJN carriers participated: these 6 weren't attacked, and are apparently getting away without damage:
Junyo, Hiyo, Ryuho, Shoho, Zuiho, and Ryujo

Zuikaku - 1 torp hit

Akagi, Kaga, Hiryu, Soryu, Shokaku are all sunk.

EDIT: Congrats to Cuttlefish for getting these guys away... i had suspected the US CVs would run them to ground.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 5:15:17 AM   
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When and if his new CVs come online he will be in far worse shape than he was here but still able to deal the allies blows if they are not carefull... Of course that depends on whats left of his airwings.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 5:59:43 AM   
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VERY good point! 

I cannot remember and am too lazy to go back to page 1.  Is this a Stock Game?  If it is--no matter what he does, he is done...

The Hibiki shall sail on however!



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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 6:01:51 AM   
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OK.  Wasn't too lazy--it is Nik Mod.  The Japanese MIGHT have a chance to make it interesting as long as they are not GAMEY (Terminus--There is a Thread started for you in the War Room)! 


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 7:16:03 AM   
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Yamato and Musashi were not involved in this battle.


Now that I think about it a little more, the battlewagon of most interest to the Hibiki would be the Nagato instead. Was she there?

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 6:06:18 PM   
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Well, with active Royal Navy participation in possibly the most important aeronaval battle of the Pacific War, the post-war political landscape should be very different indeed.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 9:28:42 PM   
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Hell one could easily aruge that the RN was the deciding factor in this battle.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 9:30:08 PM   
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That last battle was alot like Gettysburg really. Ironic how people were comparing it to it. Ozawa's blunder sortta like Pickets Charge.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 10:17:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

Well, I think it is a topic for this AAR - I'd love to know if any carriers have been accelerated in CF's game. I doubt he'll answer us directly, but maybe we'll see some hints in the narrative soon.


This will come up in the AAR in the future. I will make some general comments, though. First, I am playing this game pretty closely along historical lines. This includes setting a defensive perimeter pretty close to what Japan actually had (exceptions: Port Moresby, New Caledonia/New Hebrides, Baker Island), limiting activity in China, and not abusing the PDU feature. It isn't the way I play every game, but it's the way I wanted this one to go.

Second, wholesale acceleration of Japanese carriers takes a lot of industrial muscle. Honda cited the large industrial base he conquered in his game as the key to his remarkable carrier victory; these are resources Japan does not possess in this version of reality.

That being said, I think that Japanese leadership will respond to this unexpected and disastrous defeat by doing what they can to get more carriers into the water as soon as possible. But as in real life, it might well be a case of too little, too late...

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Now that I think about it a little more, the battlewagon of most interest to the Hibiki would be the Nagato instead. Was she there?


Ah, I think you mean Mutsu, the ship that Taiki's brother serves on. Nope, Mutsu was not there either.

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Well, with active Royal Navy participation in possibly the most important aeronaval battle of the Pacific War, the post-war political landscape should be very different indeed.


And let's not forget that the only carrier prior to this battle to face the Japanese and come out ahead was Victorious.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/6/2008 11:25:54 PM   
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Absolutely fantastic work!

Sorry for your losses, but I feel that myself and the rest of the forum will only continue to gain from your masterful storytelling.


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/7/2008 1:44:42 AM   
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November 21, 1943

Location: 180 miles southwest of Nauru Island
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 4
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 2
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 218

Orders: Get Zuikaku safely back to Kwajalein

---

Hibiki steams slowly northeast, now part of Zuikaku’s forward screen. The sea is choppy under a flat gray overcast, but this suits the crew just fine. Anything that helps to hide them from Allied search planes is a good thing right now.

There is still no sign of any pursuit. They know the enemy carriers are still out there, though. From time to time during the day Hibiki picks up frantic broadcasts from damaged Japanese ships under air attack. These are ships from the surface action of two nights ago, ships that were too badly damaged in the fighting to get far enough away from the battle area. Several ships are lost in this fashion, including battleship Haruna and Hibiki’s sister-ship Akatsuki.

The reports deepen the gloom aboard Hibiki and the other surviving ships. It does not slow them down, however, and every mile of ocean that passes under their keels brings them closer to protective air cover from bases in the Marshalls and the Gilberts.

---

Riku and Oizuma stand along the rail, looking out at the gray swells. Shiro, just coming off duty, stops and joins them.

“Is there any news?” he asks. Riku shrugs. Oizuma glances over at him.

“Nothing really,” he says. “It sounds like the enemy carriers are still well to the south.”

“Good!” says Shiro. “Maybe that snake of yours is still protecting us, Oizuma.”

“You would not be the only one to think so,” says Oizuma wryly. “They have started leaving offerings again. Be careful where you step when you come down to sleep this evening.”

The men stand in silence for a moment, each deep in his own thoughts. Finally Shiro stirs.

“I wonder what happens next?” he says.

“What happens next?” says Riku. “We go on, of course. This was one battle. There will be others. We have been defeated today, but that does not mean the war is over. We keep fighting.” Shiro looks at him, startled. There is a firmness and conviction in his friend’s voice that is new. It helps shake off a little of his own depression.

“I meant, where do we go if we reach Kwajalein,” he says. “But you are right, we are not beaten yet.”

“Maybe we will go back to Japan?” suggests Oizuma.

“Don’t bet on it, Snake Man,” says a gruff voice from behind them. The three men turn to see Chief Petty Officer Shun standing close at hand. They come to attention.

“Relax,” Shun growls. The men do so. “You think they are going to be in a hurry to send any of these ships back to Japan?” Shun says. “I do not think so. We know too much, it would be bad for morale at home.”

As the sailors digest this Shun turns his gaze on Riku.

“That was well spoken,” he said. “I’ve heard enough sniveling and moaning today to make me sick, Ariga, but you talked like a man. Damn right we keep fighting. If those dirty American devils and their British friends think they know what it takes to beat us then let them think again!” He turns and stalks away.

The three watch him go. “Come on,” says Shiro after a moment. “Let’s go get some food.”

---

Headline from a major Tokyo newspaper for November 21:

Japanese Carriers Victorious in South Pacific

All Japan rejoices today at the news that a large British and American carrier force has been defeated by our brave sailors and airmen. In a battle near the Santa Cruz Islands six enemy aircraft carriers have been sunk. Japanese forces, determined to secure the victory, are pursuing the shattered remains of the enemy fleet to the southwest…


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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/7/2008 2:46:11 AM   
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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/7/2008 6:45:52 AM   
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HAHAHA I didn't see Shun coming there... I love that guy.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/7/2008 2:50:25 PM   
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What's wrong with Shun?  He's going soft and talkative?  At least he is still the ship's apparition that appears without warning.  The battle must've hit him hard.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/7/2008 10:28:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cuttlefish

Japanese Carriers Victorious in South Pacific

All Japan rejoices today at the news that a large British and American carrier force has been defeated by our brave sailors and airmen. In a battle near the Santa Cruz Islands six enemy aircraft carriers have been sunk. Japanese forces, determined to secure the victory, are pursuing the shattered remains of the enemy fleet to the southwest…




That sounds very much like what could be expected!

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/8/2008 1:53:44 AM   
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November 22, 1943

Location: 160 miles west-northwest of Nauru Island
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 4
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 2
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 189

Orders: Get Zuikaku safely back to Kwajalein

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Singly, in pairs, or in large task forces, the Japanese ships fall back on Kwajalein. The Allied forces remain concentrated near Efate. Port Vila, the major town there, is quickly overrun by the invaders and the Japanese forces withdraw into the interior of the island to continue resisting as best they can.

In Japan the celebration of the reported Japanese victory continues. In the Allied countries the news of the battle is somewhat more accurately reported, and morale climbs sharply. Determination to see the war to its conclusion is renewed. President Roosevelt confers briefly with Prime Minister Churchill and then issues his unconditional surrender decree. It is understood without needing to be said that the Japanese peace proposal is dead and buried.

Both sides know that the war is a long ways from over. The Japanese are still strong and are by now heavily dug into their island bases. Whether or not these defenses are strong enough to stand up to the coming Allied offensives remains to be seen.

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RE: Small Ship, Big War - the Decisve Battle - 3/8/2008 1:55:36 AM   
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November 23, 1943

Location: 225 miles southwest of Jaluit
Course: Northeast
Attached to: TF 4
Mission: Air Combat
System Damage: 2
Float Damage: 0
Fires: 0
Fuel: 161

Orders: Get Zuikaku safely back to Kwajalein

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“That is the best sight I have seen in several days,” comments Lieutenant Sugiyura. He is gazing through binoculars at a G4M bomber cruising high above the task force. The bomber is out of Kwajalein; there are a lot of them there, and a lot of fighters, and everyone aboard breathes more easily knowing that they are now within range of friendly air cover.

“It is indeed welcome,” says Captain Ishii. “We should reach Kwajalein within two days.”

“What will happen then, sir?” Sugiyura asks. “Do you think we will be sent out again soon? It occurs to me the enemy may be overconfident and not expecting us to return. It might be a chance to catch them off guard and avenge our defeat.”

Captain Ishii scowls irritably. “How should I know, Lieutenant?” he says. “I am not some kind of fortune teller and I am not wearing an admiral’s uniform. We will refuel. We will reprovision. We will do whatever the Imperial Navy orders us to do.”

“Of course, Captain,” says Sugiyura. “But I was just thinking about the recent battle and wondering if…”

“I am wondering if you should stop chattering like an annoying fishwife and see to your duties,” snaps Ishii.

Sugiyura winces. “Yes sir,” he says stiffly. He faces about and stands rigid, looking out at the sea. Elsewhere on the bridge everyone else suddenly becomes very busy and they are carefully not looking at either of the two officers.

Captain Ishii sighs to himself. He knows he has just been unfair to the enthusiastic young torpedo officer. It has been very difficult to keep his temper in check during these last few days. For a moment pride prevents him from saying anything, but then he steps forward next to Sugiyura.

“My apologies, Lieutenant,” he says quietly. “Keep thinking aggressively, I like to see that kind of spirit.”

“Yes sir,” says Sugiyura, a little less stiffly.

“You have the bridge,” the captain says. “I will be in my cabin.” He then matches actions to words and departs.

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