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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 9:42:58 PM   
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Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defence strength.



What does that mean? I never have heard of that!


Paras force troops to bombard. If you bombard on the same turn your enemy attacks you get 1/2 of your defence value.

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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 9:44:44 PM   
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Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defense strength. Even then it was close. 3-1 and my army surrenders. Crap.


I second the comment by Castor Troy. Where is this rule in the manual??

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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 9:46:00 PM   
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Now the war will be decided by what he does in the next month. Only PM and PH offer the possibility of a decisive result:


do you mean Noumea? (rather than PM).

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Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defence strength.



What does that mean? I never have heard of that!


A joint Para and Amphib Landing will result in an automatic shock attack for all forces located in that hex. Some people may consider it gamey, so best to discuss it with your oppenant

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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 10:15:34 PM   
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Jwilkerson surprises me and shock attack at PM right off. He pulls the little trick where he lands paras on the assault turn in order to half the defence strength.



What does that mean? I never have heard of that!


Paras force troops to bombard. If you bombard on the same turn your enemy attacks you get 1/2 of your defence value.




What????????????? When you are the defender and you are bombarding the turn your opponent attacks your adjusted defense is halfed?????????? What kind of sh*t is that?????????????

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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 11:51:26 PM   
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Yes I meant Noumea. Sorry.


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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 11:51:36 PM   
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What????????????? When you are the defender and you are bombarding the turn your opponent attacks your adjusted defense is halfed?????????? What kind of sh*t is that?????????????


There was a thread a while back, which detailed how when defending, never to bombard as it decreases your AV in the face of enemy attacks...i don't believe it was as much as 1/2 of your AV...but i could be wrong

i'll see if i can find the thread


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RE: 30 June - 5/27/2007 11:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep its true unless they took it out in last patch or two. When you bombard your defence strength is cut by about half.

I tested this a year or so ago and have posted about it. Easy to test. Just take any of the turns when Japan is attacking multiple locations on a turn. Then save and run the turn in two different ways. Run the turn with all allied units set to bombard and then run the turn with all allied units set to defend only. Observe the results.

You'll notice that allied losses are much heavier when they bombard and their combat odds are worse.

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RE: 30 June - 5/28/2007 12:01:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		To be clear I was not complaining. Having to defend against two threats simultainiously, (ground attack and para's in the rear) would reduce my defence strength.

I would only consider this gamey only if the opponent send 1 or 2 squads of para's or amphibious troops just to trigger the bonus. In this case it appears that Jwilkerson sent a significant para unit.

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2 July - 5/30/2007 7:53:52 PM   
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China: Japan shock attacks at Canton and is shut down. 0 to 1 odds and 4000+ loses for a couple hundred lost on my part. Canton's production is now shut off. At Wuhan Japan has brought in a 5th division indicating he may have designs of driving me off. This will be difficult in the urban terrain now that I am well dug in.

Burma: I have reluctantly called off my offensive against Burma. I just don't think I have the required air superiority now that Japan's Betty force is no longer occupied against PM. I have visions of those 300 Betties flying out of Rangoon and sinking all 14 of my AP's. Having two UK divisions lost at sea would be a disaster and I don't yet have the fighter strength to prevent it.

I'm am maintaining the diversion for another couple days. A large fleet of AK's (of which I have millions!!) will start toward Akyab along with some ASW/MSW TF's to simulate the invasion which I have so clearly telagraphed. But I will stay within a couple hexes of Daca so that I can provide heavy fighter cover. Maybe I can pull an ambush and splash some of his planes.

My counter-air offensive had another good turn after taking last one off to rest. 46 zero's went down mostly at Mandalay where I sent my heavy bombers. 15 zeros' were lost in air-to-air with the rest lost on the ground. Overall I've been killing his planes at about a 1 to1 ratio, but a lot of my losses are bombers.


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RE: 2 July - 5/30/2007 10:32:53 PM   
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I would wait on attacking in Burma until '43. But, keep up as constant on AF attacks on possible sites for counterattack so he doesn't have the time to build them all up to level 9 forts.

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4 July - 5/31/2007 2:59:32 AM   
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China: I think he's figured out my plan as he is not going to let me just walk into Nanchang. He has moved 6 units one hex up the road where I currently have 6 Corps. I don't know what his units are but I assume I will find out soon. I have 7 or 8 more Corps headed that way so maybe we will have a fight in the clear terrain near Nanchang. By moving his units up he managed to surround one of my HQ unts that somehow found himself alone. I wonder if Chinese HQ's regenerate???

Burma: A quiet day although my Bolo's managed to get ambushed over Akyab by over 30 zero's. My escorts were over my fake invasion TF which was not molested.

Numea: A small surface force (1 BB and a couple CA's that I can see) appears headed for Luganville. I'm not too worried about this as all that is there is a group of Catalina's. He can invade there if he wants. There is only a BDE and a base force there and I have left the airbase at level 2 so that he cannot invade and then fly hoards of Betties from there.

Meanwhile minelaying ops have begun in earnest and I'll be placing 320 mines each 2 day turn from my ML's. Swarms of subs are on their way and the few that are on hand are also mineing the area.

At this stage prep points have to be an issue for Japan. The 4 divisions at PM will take 2 months to prep for any new invasion. So I'm guessing they will rest for a while.

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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 3:37:04 AM   
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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 3:57:53 AM   
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I tried to get a bit out at the last minute but the airfield was crap and he took the base way faster then I thought.

In any event its OK as I don't think troop strength is my problem. I will have plenty of troops when I go on the offfensive. the problem is naval strength which I don't have at the moment.

Had I saved a fragment I could have built it up to a decent unit by the end of 43. But by then I will have plenty of ground force. And in the end only naval/air force maters.


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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 4:30:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think you will have an uphill battle when it comes to re-conquering the Pacifc as Joe has lost very few large cpaital ships and KB will be used to make you pay a steep price for any mistakes you make. The next fews months or more will be relatively boring as you biuld up your forces. The fun will start once you decide on how you want to attack him.

Good Luck!!


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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 4:49:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose I agree. I has been impossible to hurt his fleet as he keeps it always in a tight mass. He still has the initiative so we will see what he does with the next couple months.

My entire fleet is in port upgrading and repairing. His fleet has been at sea continuously for a long time now.

At some point don't his carriers have to head back to Japan for upgrades and repairs??

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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 5:18:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		He can probably rotate about 2 CV/CVL's to Japan for upgrades and keep KB close to 100% and down where it can react quickly. Sorry...

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6 July - 5/31/2007 6:46:37 AM   
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Burma: A nice little turn as 16 A6M3 zero's go down for 6 crappy Buffalo's amd 4 P40B's. Next turn I'll send my heavy's in and see if I can hurt him some more. It's nice that he has returned to the skies over Burma so that I can kill his planes. Why???? I can only guess that the threat of invasion has caused him to fight in the air.

Numea: That surface force disappears. I'm not sure where his CV's have gone too. But I have lots of PBY's in the area so if they were headed anywhere south I suspect I would see them.

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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 7:01:10 AM   
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He can probably rotate about 2 CV/CVL's to Japan for upgrades and keep KB close to 100% and down where it can react quickly. Sorry...



Well I don't know about this. The carriers left the Java battle about the beginning of March. The raid between Palmyra and Canton started on 23 April. So there was no time to go back to Japan and repair.

OK maybe they ran from Java to Japan and had 15 days there before running to the east Pacific. But certainly not enough time to upgrade and repair system damage. So basically his ships have been at sea the whole war. I suspect they have to have some serious system damage at this point.

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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 4:36:16 PM   
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I wonder if Chinese HQ's regenerate???


yes they do (from a player that has lost all of china )

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RE: 4 July - 5/31/2007 5:21:28 PM   
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I wonder if Chinese HQ's regenerate???


yes they do (from a player that has lost all of china )



Thanks, I knew ground units did but wasn't sure about HQ's. In the meantime my HQ is battling it out by itself against a Japanese Division .....

Ground combat at 49,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22481 troops, 255 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 482
Defending force 3580 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 525 - adjusted assault: 1135
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 23
Japanese assault odds: 49 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
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Ground combat at 49,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 22421 troops, 255 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 482
Defending force 3480 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 525 - adjusted assault: 1050
Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 42 to 1

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported

If it holds out another day I will be able to provide it an escape route.

Contrast this to my first USMC division at PM which surrendered on the first day. I wish they would fix the problem with suurounded units in the countryside. In this case however it works to my advantage.

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8 July - 5/31/2007 10:05:47 PM   
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China: A bit of a disaster is in the making. He has a unit cutting off my troops in Wuhan and now a force from Nanching is barraling up towards Changsa. I should be able to clear the road next turn. I have two good Corps with HQ attacking a mixed BDE in clear terrain. I also think I can stop the force from Nanching (but its a close bet).

But should both operations fail I could have my Wuhan force surrounded for good. That would be very very bad. I think I will come out of this OK but I don't think I will be able to maintain a position in Wuhan as I had hoped.

Burma: More success in the air war. Japan lost 26 zero's (21 in air to air) and 33 Oscars mostly on the ground. Overall Japan lost 78 planes to my 57, and 59 fighters to my 29 fighter losses.

SIGINT: A report comes in of a division training for Canton Island. That will be fun. I have two divisions there.



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Here the situation. four Japanese divisions from Nanchang are trying to force their way to Changsa. If they got there I would have a lot of trouble because Japan has that mixed BDE cutting my supply route to Wuhan. If Japan gets to Changsa before I clear the supply route I'm in big trouble.

Ground combat at 47,37
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 73575 troops, 784 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1487
Defending force 85220 troops, 591 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2493

Japanese max assault: 3016 - adjusted assault: 446
Allied max defense: 2236 - adjusted defense: 737

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1
Japanese ground losses:----------------------Allied ground losses:
3560 casualties reported----------------------385 casualties reported
Guns lost 111-----------------------------------Guns lost 23

The Japanese main attack fails for now by a significant margin. He will have to bring up additional forces to have a chance so I think no attack next turn. I will send two of my most disrupted corps from this area to try and help clear the road to Wuhan. The rest of my troops will dig in and wait.

Next my troops attempt to clear the road with two Corps attacking.

Ground combat at 47,35
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 20164 troops, 143 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 971
Defending force 15581 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 329

Allied max assault: 1346 - adjusted assault: 449
Japanese max defense: 328 - adjusted defense: 350

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Japanese ground losses:------------Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported---------------327 casualties reported
Guns lost 4----------------------------Guns lost 17

Ground combat at 47,35
Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 19238 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 897
Defending force 15417 troops, 182 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 325

Allied max assault: 908 - adjusted assault: 381
Japanese max defense: 323 - adjusted defense: 302

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Japanese ground losses:------------------Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported---------------------710 casualties reported
Guns lost 3----------------------------------Guns lost 30

I fail but I'm close. Another Corps is already in hex and will participate in next turns bombardment attacks. Three divisions will arrive next turn from Changsa and hopefully that will be enough. If not I've sent two corps from Ichang overland to the battle and two Corps are moving to the area from the battle between Changsa and Nanchang. Once I clear the road my troops at Wuhan will pull out and we will try and reestablish the status Quo.

Other Area's: Mostly quite. In Burma I butchered another bunch of A6M3's inflicting better then 1-1 air to air losses. I don't know why he has not rotated these guys out as they have to be using untrained pilots by now. At Numea my mining operation is preceding nicely. 1000 mines in Kumac already with other locations being mined with subs. In Alaska some Japanese surface ships are about but I'm not impressed. Unless he brings KB he will have trouble interfering with my operations here.






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12 July - 6/3/2007 5:47:15 PM   
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China: Jwilkerson backs off in China!!!! Either he doesn't realize how close I was to disaster or the losses to his troops comming up fron Nanchang convinced him he couldn't drive me back. I think I probably could have held, but if there was a 1 in 6 chance of getting a good roll and winning that battle it would have been worth it for Japan.

I will probably clear the road to Wuhan next turn and eeverything will be stable. I may even stay in Wuhan another week or so just to annoy him. I will have to pull out eventually. My troops at Canton are getting tired and will not be able to stay there forever. When they pull out there is the risk that japan will take advantage of their fatigue and launch an offensive on their own. So I will have to send some troops down the road from Changsa to keep things under control.

Alaska: Japan has a small carrier force; (2CV and 1 CVE that I see), and 2 surface forces are in Alaska. I'll just let him float around out there. I won't be ready for my next offensive move for a couple week anyway.




His CV's are at the lower left. The two TF's to the north are surface TF's containing 5 or 6 ships each. In the white hex is my next planned invasion target which currently is unoccupied. The nice thing about this theater is that it is the only area where I can use my short range fighters offensively.

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RE: 12 July - 6/3/2007 6:40:53 PM   
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14 July - 6/3/2007 8:47:26 PM   
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A quiet turn as most of my planes refuse to fly. But I did clear my supply path in China and will begin my retreat. No sign of offensive action from Jwilkerson although a lot of zero's are flying training missions in the Solomon area.








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16 July - 6/4/2007 5:48:10 PM   
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Another quite day. My heavies did fly in Burma and I had a good day killing 31 Japanese planes for 11 of my own. In China I have safely pulled my exposed troops back and I only have to manage my retreat from Canton in order to return to a safe position.

Numea: Its been 16 days since PM fell and I have put those days to good use. There are over 1300 mines at Kumac and about 500 at the base south of there. 500 more go in every two days from my 4 ML's and about 20 subs. I've also added a raider Bn, some seabees's, and 6 PT's to the defence. Not much I know but everything helps.

In the next week another TF will land carrying 3 AA units and another coastal artillery unit, plus 8 PT's from Pearl Harbor. 2 more TF's carrying heavy reinforcements are about 2 to 3 weeks out. My position here is becoming very strong and if Jwilkerson has any intention of taking Numea he will need to land within the week.





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Burma: Another great day in the skies as my newly arrived P40-B squadren sweeps Akyab where Japanese aircraft were flying LRC. 25 Oscar's and 21 zero's go down against 13 P40B's and 3 Buffalo's. A 3-1 kill ratio!!! Best of all the Japanese units had every aircraft shot down that flew which ensures that I killed the ace pilots and not just a bunch of rookies.

Alaska: He still has several TF's lingering in Alaska. I going to try and arrange for some surface engagments. First I'll send a TF to my westernmost base to see if he has a TF doing a night surface mission there. If so we'll meet and even if I get the worst of it I will have some SBD's ready to pick off his criples.

General: Still no signs of further offensive action on Japan's part. A comment made by Jwilkerson with his turn hinted that maybe he was done attacking and was awaiting my offensive. Do I believe that??? I will be cautious about embarking on any offensive actions for a while as well. After all, historically the first allied offensives were in August and that was after Midway. Even then the Solomons offensive was touch and go for some time. Still I want to try and accomplish something between August and December if only to force his carriers to remain at sea.

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22 July - 6/7/2007 8:16:37 PM   
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More of the same as my air force ravages his fighters over Burma. So far this month I have killed 140 A6M2's, 98 A6M3's, and 88 Oscar's and I still have 8 days left in the month. I don't know why he continues to fight me here. I can only guess he is reacting to my aborted invasion and thinks I'm coming ashore any day. The only down side is that even though I'm getting a good kill ratio I'm running out of P40-B's.

Alaska: My attempts to get a surface battle turned comical as 3 of my ships ran into mines and beat an embarrassed retreat. But then the Japanese fleet came too close to my airbase and one of my SBD's put a 500 lb bomb into one of his CL's. It's a rare event when I scratch one of Jwilkerson's combat ships.

Numea: 2000 mines at Kumac now and 1000 at the next base south. More reinforcements have made Port at Numea and tommorow will unload 3 AA units and a coastal defense unit. Plus 8 more PT's have arrived.


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24 July - 6/7/2007 11:40:05 PM   
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A quite turn as weather grounds most of my airforce. Still I kill 25 planes to my 20.

China: All of my forces have returned to their starting locations and Japan shows no interest in a follow up offensive. I guess I should count my offensive a success. I trained up some of my troops and caused Japan to burn some supply. Plus I did occupy two cities for a while at least which cost him some more supply and resourses.

Alaska: Looks like Jwilkerson has gotten tired of sitting out there with his carriers. They seem to be heading for home.

SIGINT: Reports 7th Division training for Pago Pago. I just don't believe it. I suspect he's just has units training for various locations to keep me worried. I see no indications of another offensive anywhere.

------Pago Pago: He can certainly take this island with a reinforced division but I have a lot of recon in the area and would see his AP's coming 6 days out. So he takes this at the beginning of August and accomplishes what exactly???

-------- Numea: This spot is looking tougher every day. Heavily mined with lots of PT's. About 100 fighters and 100 bombers are at Numea. Another 100 fighters and bombers are sitting nearby to tranfer in after the first carrier strikes go in. A huge surface force (6BB's with lots of CA/DD's) sits at Sydney waiting to intervene. Smaller surface forces are in NZ and would try and disrupt the invasion while KB is working the airfields. If he wanted to go here he should have gone in two weeks ago.

---------PH: I'm actually thinking that this is now my soft spot. I have only two divisions here and it could be taken. It would also explain why the delay. It would take 4 weeks or so to redeploy his units this way. The only flaw for Japan is that PH is close to my carriers and way outside the range of any Japanese LBA. And he has no idea what I have here.


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26 July - 6/8/2007 11:47:57 PM   
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Well I'm now fairly convinced that Jwilkerson intends to go into a shell and let me attack at this point. I recieved a report of a unit prepping for Numea but does that mean anything at all? Numea is becomming a fortress.

I am staging naval forces into forward locations in preparation for offensive action. CV Wasp has arrived but I'm leaving my 5 CV's TF in place for 4 more days as this will allow me to upgrade all my british carrier aircraft. Then they will move towards PH.

Any offensive actions will have to be carefully conducted as Japan still is stronger both at sea and in the air. But I do have a lot of good, well rested BB's and I should be able to do some damage without too much risk.

I've had to play a very cautious game because of the cautious manner in which Jwilkerson plays. He doesn't expose many weaknesses. This could work to my advantage now as he may not expect anything of the scope I am planning. Secrecy is going to be critical. Shhhhhhhhh!!!


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