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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/14/2007 7:29:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm trying to understand what's bugging a few players so much, so I loaded up my BII and BIN installations and did a comparison. The main difference I could see is that some of the unit designations on the Battlefront counters are blurrier, though they are also somewhat bigger in terms of the font size. Is that the main issue or is something else about the unit counters bugging you?

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/14/2007 10:02:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		The unchanged 80's look of the UI. The colors. Same with Harpoon. As simple as that. It was OK in its time. But not now.


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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/14/2007 10:22:40 PM   
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The unchanged 80's look of the UI. The colors. Same with Harpoon. As simple as that. It was OK in its time. But not now.



This doesn't make a bit of sense to me. The BF UI is the smoothest and best looking of any game I know of...

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/14/2007 10:33:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well SP WAW or WitP is leagues better. Still cant decide which bothers me more the look or that it is unchnaged.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/14/2007 11:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The UI is fine. 

It's just the unit icons.  They arent as crisp as the other DB games.  Not sure how to explain it.  Only other thing I would like to see graphically is for the forest/woods CRT's to be a bit darker.

The game has grown on me and it's one of the best wargames out there.  At this point, I'm used to the graphics.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 1:41:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, it is more the blurrieness of the counters that I was talking about. Not a deal-breaker but definately a little more crisp would have been better for me. And forget about using the zoom..... way too blurry.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 4:41:21 AM   
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The unchanged 80's look of the UI. The colors. Same with Harpoon. As simple as that. It was OK in its time. But not now.


This looks nothing like an 80s interface or like Harpoon. I have to say this response didn't help at all.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 4:42:53 AM   
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Yeah, it is more the blurrieness of the counters that I was talking about. Not a deal-breaker but definately a little more crisp would have been better for me. And forget about using the zoom..... way too blurry.


Ok, so it sounds like this really comes down to the change in style on the unit counters, that makes more sense. The maps seems very nice to me and the interface itself is just fine and very similar to the DB interface, which was well received.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 5:31:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, the map is great and the UI is simply beautiful to me. All of the UI's colors for the various icons compliment each other to make what I think is the best looking in the industry.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 7:55:02 AM   
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Ok, so it sounds like this really comes down to the change in style on the unit counters, that makes more sense. The maps seems very nice to me and the interface itself is just fine and very similar to the DB interface, which was well received.

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Yes, is the short answer to that, the icons are the major concern, even running the game at 1024 x 768 the icons are too small to read info clearly, so improving the style of the icons wouldn't help, they can't made any bigger or they would flow over into the next hex. the size of the icons seem to be of equal size of those in COTA at 1280 x 1024 resolution. I don't know much about programing, but itappears the whole map is a smaller scale. The hexes are rather small. the text is small, but the problem is the colour of text in relation to the background. I want to play this game, but why should have to go and buy a new 20 inch monitor so I can see the icons.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 8:12:33 AM   
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I don't know what you are talking about, i have the same eye issues as you and with a new Monitor and my current PC glasses nothing has changed since BiN except it's a little prettier IMHO. Sounds like you are playing at too high a resolution or you need a bigger monitor. If you can't read the print then i'd consider getting a different hobby...like i once did before upgrading.


Let me answer your quote without getting into personal Flame war. I have been playing computer games for 15 years, and my number one rule is - if I am going to buy a new game, and I have to buy new hardware to support it don't buy the game, if I broke that rule I would have filed for bankrupcy years ago. I don't normally wear glasses on the computer, this is the only game I wear them for. Ha give gaming just because of one game having graphics that piss me off a little,not likely! I'll just accept I wasted 65 bucks and be more wary of purchasing other games like this, and go back to COTA and others that are more apeasing to the eye.


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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 8:46:41 AM   
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...Yes, is the short answer to that, the icons are the major concern, even running the game at 1024 x 768 the icons are too small to read info clearly, so improving the style of the icons wouldn't help, they can't made any bigger or they would flow over into the next hex. the size of the icons seem to be of equal size of those in COTA at 1280 x 1024 resolution. I don't know much about programing, but itappears the whole map is a smaller scale. The hexes are rather small. the text is small, but the problem is the colour of text in relation to the background. I want to play this game, but why should have to go and buy a new 20 inch monitor so I can see the icons.


I'm interested in knowing if the shot below looks similar in terms of being hard to see with what you're seeing in the game. This is from a scenario I'm working on and the game is in 1280x1024 mode. Are the unit icons you see below hard to identify by unit symbol? Not sure I'm happy with the unit symbols for the tank battalions and the engineer battalions.


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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 10:19:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I might be wrong, and if I am you can shoot me in this spot, but I recall having the very same look of UI and counters in the original. Even in that time where wargames were scarce in Hungary I disliked so much its appereance that I went back to WiR.

As of Harpoon I have the same issue with it. THe UI and the graphics look the same as in the early 90's. I dont buy that "wanted to look like in a real command centre". I am not an eye candy boy -CotA is the way to go- but after some little tweaks like changing the letters and refining the icons a bit, it could have been a bigger bang. IMHO and for me of course.

If I may give you an advice refresh the GFX of re released games (e.g. Age of sail hint hint) not to a flashy 3D effects wonder, but to a pleasant 21st ecntury look. Thanks for listening.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 11:07:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Kinda jumping late in this thread, but I'd like to second the 'UI mild complaint' issue, if you care to read on for a bit.

I absolutely love the game (although the AI is arguably worse than the Decisive Battles series), and consider it possilly the best in the series so far. I also absolutely love the icons and the gorgeous maps. That's all great.

On the other hand, and this is something I've ranted before about regarding BII/BIN, I really dislike the UI, it simply feels dated. Here's why:
  1. A huge part of the screen is lost forever to panels, there's no full-screen, shortcut-driven interface that allows for full immersion once you get the hang of the keyboard shortcuts. If and when you need to present info, either a modal window or a panel should slide up, but this game is all about the map.
  2. I can't believe there's still no tooltips! Come on guys, this is just old news now. Instead, the right click panel is just too old a concept. Everything has tooltips these days, from Word to the last freeware utility.
  3. Where's the context sensitive help? Especially since there's no tutorial available for newbies. If you require your prospect/new customer to pay full attention and read the manual before they jump in, you've just alienated 80% of your potential market. These are no-no mistakes.
  4. I've said it many times again, and I'll say it one more time. UIs are expensive to build, expensive to learn, and prone to many many usability errors. Fortunately, the issue is more or less solved for the average Windoze/GUI person. Why reinvent the wheel and roll your own? Why not use the MS GUI? Everyone knows how to use it, the basic key shortcuts, and where everything should fall under in the menus. and God knows I've seen every type of application under the sun using the same GUI successfully. Why does it have to be a custom UI?
All in all, the interface feels a decade old, and is too. This is such a good wargaming series, why not invest a bit now to create a much better _standard_ interface that will last you for another ten years?

Thanks for listening, I'm always open to counter-arguments to the above.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 11:09:43 AM   
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I might be wrong, and if I am you can shoot me in this spot,





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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 11:21:04 AM   
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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 11:44:58 AM   
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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 1:18:03 PM   
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...Yes, is the short answer to that, the icons are the major concern, even running the game at 1024 x 768 the icons are too small to read info clearly, so improving the style of the icons wouldn't help, they can't made any bigger or they would flow over into the next hex. the size of the icons seem to be of equal size of those in COTA at 1280 x 1024 resolution. I don't know much about programing, but itappears the whole map is a smaller scale. The hexes are rather small. the text is small, but the problem is the colour of text in relation to the background. I want to play this game, but why should have to go and buy a new 20 inch monitor so I can see the icons.


I'm interested in knowing if the shot below looks similar in terms of being hard to see with what you're seeing in the game. This is from a scenario I'm working on and the game is in 1280x1024 mode. Are the unit icons you see below hard to identify by unit symbol? Not sure I'm happy with the unit symbols for the tank battalions and the engineer battalions.




Yes and no, is it easy to identify the inf and eng units, but what unit is are they? inf Bn yes, of the 4th bde regt or div. the icon display hasn't the same amount of info as the icons in COTA and if they did, they'd too small to read it. As for the HQ icons and blueish in rh bottom corner ????


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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 5:31:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose I'm so used to the KP and BiN icons I'm used to the look.  As long as I can tell if its an armored unit or infantry (etc etc), I'm OK with them ... I get my jollies from the side menu graphics, silhouettes, etc.  But, I'm inclined to think anything can be improved so maybe a once over to clear up some graphics wouldn't hurt before the patch comes out.

Is it the Divisional insignia's that's causing the problems?  They've always been a little rough looking because some are a little too detailed for such a small graphic. 

... and I'm fairly sure I fall in the top 5% of the blindest people that play these games.  Heck, I have to wear glasses WITH my contact lens.  Duh!!  what a wreck I've become in my old age.

I haven't ordered my BF yet so take what I say with a grain of salt but looking at the screen prints here and in the AARs, I can't see a significant degradation of the icon graphics from the previous titles.  There may be some I can't see from these screen dumps.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 7:15:27 PM   
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Let me answer your quote without getting into personal Flame war.

You may have missed my feeble attempt at sillyness as a recent serious illness in my immediate Family has left me little time for rational thinking.
MY POINT: I didn't upgrade my Monitor for Battlefront, i upgraded it a few years back because my eyes were fading even with PC glasses. I recently had to buy a replacement because of wear and bought more or less the same thing...a high-end digital LCD 20" monitor. So, now that i've cleared that up let's get back to the immediate topic: Graphics.
After some objective meditation i find the only difference "for me" is the change of style eg: smaller icons/more info & the lack of gloss the icons seemed to have in BiI and BiN. By "gloss" i mean lacquer like the old chits of boardgaming...the lacquered ones were prettier (and lasted longer).
Sure, they could go 3-D like EU3...but IMHO, and i did consider quitting gaming at one point, the graphics are as good...not better for the icons...as the DB series.


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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/15/2007 7:41:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once more, I love the battlefront graphics style. The maps are gorgeous. I like the "feel" of the icon insignias and the ui. I remember the BiN screenshots made me wanting & buying that game. But naturally this is a matter of taste. I just wanted to add, that i also dont want all my games created with the same boring windowslike ui. A difference in appearance is really appreciated and I personally like the unique ui of battlefront. Its also true that you can improve every ui and i also think tooltips make for an easier start, although you dont need them anymore after you fought your first operation.

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RE: Graphics very VGA-ish - 2/18/2007 6:57:28 PM   
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Once more, I love the battlefront graphics style. The maps are gorgeous. I like the "feel" of the icon insignias and the ui. I remember the BiN screenshots made me wanting & buying that game. But naturally this is a matter of taste. I just wanted to add, that i also dont want all my games created with the same boring windowslike ui. A difference in appearance is really appreciated and I personally like the unique ui of battlefront. Its also true that you can improve every ui and i also think tooltips make for an easier start, although you dont need them anymore after you fought your first operation.

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Re tooltips : no they aren't bound to be newbie helpers only, but can provide valuables combat, terrain, C3, whatever, up to date information also. Have a look at Birth of America, you'll see what I mean
I agree that BF is *hugely* lacking in the documentation/tutorial/ease of play aspects, but I still largely enjoy it

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