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Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 12:02:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Upon browsing the internet, I found some interesting Japanese World War II propaganda that someone's relative in Bangok had kept from the Second World War.

Apparently, it was an old Japanese WWII booklet that contained some very colourful and cartoony based images revolving around Japan's idea of an "East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere", which I found to be most interesting, considering that most propaganda you find has troops being shot and things like that.

I thought, considering that most of us here have an interest in Pacific War history that I would post them.

But be wary though, these are NOT for the connection's faint of heart!






























Ah, here we go. I hope these are not too much. I thought I'd show them, though.
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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 12:04:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very cool. I'd seen some of the pages in a history book, but never all of them...

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 12:11:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Very cool. I'd seen some of the pages in a history book, but never all of them...


Well, apparently it was from someone's WWII booklet that was issued to Japanese soldiers on the field. For me, though, what is interesting is how the early days of conflict, Japan flaunted about the idea of a "Co-Prosperity Sphere" until really the end, it became a fight for Japan itself. I just find that fascinating.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 12:24:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same here. Wish there was a translation. Would be nice to do a relative comparison of propagandas.

The third picture (the victory/conquest one) looks pretty accurate in terms of battles won, territory taken. Wonder when it was published. Some of the oddities include having smiling locals everywhere except China, soldiers in the correct execution posture in the Phillipines and being a little premature in showing a formerly US occupied PM. Seems that PH couldn't fit on the map either. Maybe that's what the writing on the right side is about.

Another oddity, was the last picture not showing India belonging to the "sphere".

Thanks for posting it.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 12:48:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Regarding the co-prosperity sphere - it's interesting how many Asians actually bought into it (to a degree at least). Many of the Malays, Burmese, Indo-Chinese, and Indonesiasns were just as sick of the last 150 years of colonialism (I very obviously left China off any delusions about the "benefits" of the CSP). But during the late 30s, when Japan actually started progandizing hte CPS thru-out asia, the Japanese were seen (truthfully) to have superiour education, technology, and to a degree - culture. Sort of like how the French were perceived back inthe early 1700s. Of course, when war came the reality of Japan's CSP wasn't exactly the "Asia for the Asians" utopia that they portrayed it to be.

But CPS was no joke to either the Japanese or many of the Asians.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 2:28:53 AM   
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Same here. Wish there was a translation. Would be nice to do a relative comparison of propagandas.

The third picture (the victory/conquest one) looks pretty accurate in terms of battles won, territory taken. Wonder when it was published. Some of the oddities include having smiling locals everywhere except China, soldiers in the correct execution posture in the Phillipines and being a little premature in showing a formerly US occupied PM. Seems that PH couldn't fit on the map either. Maybe that's what the writing on the right side is about.

Another oddity, was the last picture not showing India belonging to the "sphere".

Thanks for posting it.


Thanks and I would also like to see a translation myself. Now, fortunetly I do know somebody that does speak Japanese (a Westerner leaving in Japan) so I could ask her if she could translate what it actually says (she is pretty interested in history herself) so if I found out, I'll tell you all what it means.

Anyway, if you do notice, the third picture is really about "Removing" the Westerners from Asia and "Liberating" the native Asian peoples. Considering that Pearl Harbour was more of a "Military Strike", I think that is the reason it isn't added.

And, as you can see, the map is pretty much to date how far Japan got in it's conquests: Imphal, Port Moresby, etc. You can see the Americans still on but "nearly defeated" at the southern end and the British running into India.

Also, I agree, India "isn't" on one picture of "The Sphere" but it is included in other pictures (the kids wearing turbans) so, this is actually probably shows Japan did have "plans" to include India in the Sphere. Perhaps.......that picture with the southern half of India not shaded in red shows that Japan expected to take the north within good time.

That is my theory, anyway. But, I'll see what I can do regarding the translation.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 6:59:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		India proper wasn't really considered for part of the CPS.  In la-la land where Japan had conquored the China, SRA, Burma, Malay, Indo-China, and knocked out USA and Britian, the intent was for low-trade barrier relationship with India.  Japan strongly encouraged (and outfitted) insurrectionists for India.  Despite the delusional silliness that occurs in WitP, Japan had no illusions about their ability (or lack thereof) to conquor and garrison India, esp while waging a full war against China.  They didn't want to conquor India, because they didn't need to conquor India (for a resource point of view), and politicaly, there wasn't much point because they were really hoping that the Indians themselves would either stay out or usurp anyway.

India was already a hot-bed of contention in 1940 for Britian.  You had Gandi doing the non-violent thing, and Bose a bit more militaristic.  There was already talk of an independent India, but Britian certainly wasn't going to let go while at war with the Germans.  Gandi stays in India.  Bose goes to Germany, but is blown off by Hitler (the whole inferior race thing probably an issue).  He then heads to Japan where he is deemed useful for stirring up trouble. 

Japan rolls thru SE-Asia, Malay, and Burma in 1941, and early 1942.  Esp Burma, about 1/3 the population is of Indian descent.  Many flee to India, and upwards to 50% never make it (starved or diseased on the trails).  There's a lot of ill-will, because westerners get priority on shipping and thus don't go over the trails. 

Many stay in Burma.  Japanese propaganda is somewhat truthful in that, the claim the war is not with the Indians, but against the western capitolist oppressors (and the barbaric Chinese whome they're only trying "liberate").  Most men/soldiers are stockaded by Japan for several months.  They send in Bose where they can serve in Indian National Army, or stay in the stockade.  This is not a small unit.  At it's height, it about 12,000 troops.  Frankly, they're poorly trained, poorly equipped, and poorly led.  But these guys did buy into the notion that they were going help liberate India from the Brits (and naturally Japan said they'd help). 

In summer of 42, the worst flood in 80 years hits India and wipes out the rice crop.  Allies did send potatos, but potatos are harder to digest than rice, and many people couldn't eat the potatos.  Conservative estimates say 10% of the population starved.  Some estimates say as high as 20%.  Even at 10%, that's a LOT of people.  Burma on the other hand, has a record rice crop.  There is serious debate in the Indian Congress of trading rice from Burma if India "goes neutral".  Naturally, the Brits poo-poo this.  So Gandi leads a national strike.  Now the Brits are really pissed.  A strike in the middle of a war doesn't curry favor (no pun intended).  Brits end up havig to bring in a bunch of Commonwealth troops from South Africa to help riots, and release Indian troops to help work to feed their families.

In 1943, India actualy has record rice crop, but they're short on peopel to actually harvest it.  But by 1943, the war has turned in Allies favor, and that's fairly obvious to most.  There are lots of troops now in India, including Americans (who bring lots of money and food).  So essentially India & Gandi agree to "play nice with Britain" on the "strong expectation" that they're going to get their indepenenace as soon as the war is over with.

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* regarding the people in turbans - Those are most likely Sikhs. Only about 2% of Indians are Sikhs, it's not really accurate to equate the pictures of folks in turbans to be Indians (altho most Sikhs are Indians, few Indians are actually Sikhs). Prior to WW2, much of Burma and Malaya was very much a mixed lot of folks. You even had a very substantial population of Chinese livig there as permanent residents (not just as refugees from the war in the north).



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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 7:13:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting stuff, thanks for posting the pictures. It's kind of ironic that while the war did not exactly turn out the way Japan hoped one thing it succeeded in doing was to put an end to colonialism in Asia. Not immediately, of course, but by the end of the war it was in its death throes even if not everyone involved was willing to admit it yet.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 7:33:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was some debate over whether the US would actually enter a war where Japan only attacked the SRA. The US was very isolationist even thru 12-06-41. It wasn't serious debate, but it was still considered.

The Philipines were due to be independent in 1946 anyway, and Brits had been working with Gandi towards independence (altho no date set yet). But neither the Netherlands or France had any stated aims or releasing any of there colonies. The consternation was "We'd be fighting a for colonial government who doesn't intend to release their colonies, and whose governments is in exile anyway" (seeing as France and Netherlands were occupied by Germany).

But yes, there was already a tenuous hold on many colonies before WW2. Nobody would ever point to India, Java, Timor, or Borneo as the model of colonial happiness. And when WW2 happened, the inability of colonial powers to both protect and keep their colonies became evident very quickly. It also became very obvious that colonials were 2nd-class when the Allies retreated. Given the economic probelms after having fought 6 years of war, and the general pacifism sweeping the western Allies, former colonies very obviously were able to take advantage of this weekness.

I think it's interesting that many of the pre-war insurrectionists that actually ended up being the post-war power players, did NOT side with the Japanese during WW2. They baiscally kept a low profile, continuing to subtully garner support of the population, but recognizing that Japanese occupation wasn't really the answer to independence.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 7:41:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		If any of you are really truly interested I will translate most of this tomorrow. Its a bit difficult because its written in "katakana".. katakana is usually reserved for foreign loan words..sort of like italics in English.. but this whole document is written in it.  I cant figure out why its written in katakana..

The title is "Declaration of Greater East Asia Co-operation". But its hard to get that meaning because of the katakana..I had to puzzle over the first word for a while before realizing it was a sort of abbreviation for "Greater East Asia".

Ive only skimmed so far but there are gems in there about "The strong Japanese military".. and "Burmese independence" and "Phillipine independence" and "And India that can reject England". The second to last picture is about studying Japanese and then going to Japan to study.

It seems to be aimed at local populations.. which is why it is in katakana..but of course begs the questions, why is it in Japanese at all? Japanese propaganda tended to be really weak..and this a good example. A lot of even their propaganda tended to show Japan as sort of controlling Asia anyway, but as more benevolant masters than Americans and Europeans.  Again, if there is interest I will post some to add to this thread.

Tonight is Saturday, Im going out and having a life..like I said if there is interest I will translate the above stuff (the best I can.. 1940s Japanese is quite a bit different..).

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 7:52:02 AM   
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which is why it is in katakana..but of course begs the questions, why is it in Japanese at all?


Part of the "promise" of the CPS was education. And one of the first things Japan did was to open a bunch of schools and the only language taught was, you guessed it, Japanese. Also, if you re-educate the youth, it makes it much easier to control the country in the long run.

My guess is, the pamphlets were from 1942 and perhaps used in the new schools. Not as propaganda pamphlets to be dropped en masse on populations, but were probably like primers in in the schools.

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Tonight is Saturday, Im going out and having a life.


It's (late) Friday here. I have a life as well. Actually two. One is 2 years old, and the other is 1; and they're finally asleep. I spend all the time I can with them when they're awake. But now that they're down, and besides putting off taking out the trash, this is part of my me-time (seeing as I have no turns to work on).

-F-

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/24/2007 8:20:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Youre probably right.. also how katakana is used has probably somewhat changed. If the pamphlet or whatever it is were written today it would be in hiragana (the OTHER phonetic alphabet..).

Two young ones must be a handful! But congrats to you! Glad you can still find the "me time" we all need!

Ok, Im out of here. I think. The game is addictive and so is the forum.......

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/25/2007 9:29:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thankyou for the information Feinder, it was a pleasure to read my good sir.

Thankyou Cuttlefish, your compliment is appreciated.

Vetamur, that would be great if you could translate it sometime. I'd be interested to find out what it actually means. Also, still no word from my friend yet.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 2:47:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok.. Im not sure anyone actually cares anymore but I translated most of this. I forgot one page but Im not going back. Its hard to read the copy and its hard to read Japanese when its all in katakana..

Page 1. Title page.. reads "A declaration of Greater East Asia Cooperation".

page 2. A map of pre war Asia. The text reads "Take a look. America, England and Holland are holding East Asia down.. they are doing such a horrible thing." Note in the illustration that the illustrator has indicated a lot of different resources such as oil, sugar, coal, etc.  Also note the characterization of particularly Anglos as rich, fat white men.

page 3. A map of Summer 1942 Asia (approximately).  The text reads: Japan will help us all return Asia to Asians. (literally put Asia back in our hands). The strong Japanese military will remove them (America, Britain, Holland) from East Asia."  Of note in this picture is that Korea and Taiwan are colored the same as Japan, intergal parts of the Empire. Also the word used for China is a strange one which basically they are using for Nationalist China.

page 4. The text below basically reads the same as above, just in paragraph form. "Strong Japan! Developing Manchuring. An alliance with Nationalist China. An independent Phillipines. An expanded Thailand (the map shows what lands will be given to Thailand). Independent Burma! Happier Malays and Javans! An Indian Army able to force out the British." Down below is the same plus: Everyone in Manchuria is working together...We will kick out the Americans and British but be friendly with all other good countries". 

page 5. This is a childrens song about the army. Not really able to translate as a lot of it is alliteration and onomotopeia. But it made me finally realize what was obvious: the target of this isnt just people in Japanese occupied lands, but the CHILDREN in occupied lands. Which is why its written so childishly and features such cartoony people in the illustrations.

page 6.  I cant translate the title..I dont know the second word. Word _____ Declaration. The second word has probably changed into something else..its not in my dictionaries either.  Anyway. text reads: As the people of East Asia we are going to beat America and England and form a strong relationship with the good countries of the world.  We will study hard and show our culture to the world.  Japan will provide the things we need and together we will make a better world. Our minds are one so lets walk together!"

Page 7 (after the flags). Title: Culture Pledge  Text: Under the Americans, British, and Dutch no matter how hard we studied or worked, we couldnt get ahead.  From now on though, if we study hard we will be happier.  Let's study hard! Let's work hard. This way we will develop our East Asian culture. And lets study and use Japanese as our Lingua Franca." (yes, its that awkward to just put that there..not exactly the master of propaganda subtlety here). The captions to the pics read: Lets study Japanese... and then study abroad in Japan!

Page 8: The last page says (in brief this time..havent looked up the unknown archaic words yet) that East Asians have had a proper mindset and thinking since antiquity and and that only together, working together can they rid East Asia of the Americans, British, and Dutch and make a happy future for everyone.

Ok.Im done.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 2:53:32 PM   
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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 2:55:22 PM   
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An alliance with Nationalist China.


This one is pretty rich on the face of it until i remembered they had also set up a puppet government on the mainland using a rather high-ranking defector from the Nationalists, so the could have at least a fig-leaf of cover for this claim...

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 2:56:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some of it is sort of "hopes" I think, not things already done. (the indians kicking the brits out of India for example) so.. not sure if they are referencing that or just making stuff up.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 8:52:28 PM   
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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 9:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for doing this. Sure puts some things in perspective when you see the other sides actual words.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/26/2007 10:42:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Vetamur, thankyou very much my good sir for translating! So, it is actually a "childrens" propaganda book.....interesting. I actually read that it was in the possession of someone's Aunt in Thailand, so, it is possible that it could have been the Aunt's as a child.

Still my good sir, I really do, as we all here do, appreciate the time and effort you have taken. Thanks once again!

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/27/2007 5:32:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah..because someone had mentioned the aunt story it through me for a while and it took me a lot longer than it should have to realize it was aimed at children. It uses only a few "kanji" (Chinese characters) which is what adults use. These days kids read with hiragana, this uses katakana but they are both phonetic alphabets. 

If I have time and energy later this week I will post some proganda aimed at adults.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 1:44:36 AM   
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This one is pretty rich on the face of it until i remembered they had also set up a puppet government on the mainland using a rather high-ranking defector from the Nationalists, so the could have at least a fig-leaf of cover for this claim...

Remember Chang himself, for a certain time, had the support of the Japanese and had strong links with them, attending Tokyo war academy (if my memories are ok...) and serving in the Japanese army before his political carreer, and shortly aligning KMT with the Japanese. When the war definitely broke out, and when the japanese puppet governement was in place, they naturally had their collaborators stand for the only "real" Republic of China heir.
But well you can see what the Nazis did in Europe too when it comes to look for any seeds of legitimacy. That's politically pathetic from those both countries, of course, but well when you've got no friends, you'd better find a way to create some.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 2:46:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Vetamur

Yeah..because someone had mentioned the aunt story it through me for a while and it took me a lot longer than it should have to realize it was aimed at children. It uses only a few "kanji" (Chinese characters) which is what adults use. These days kids read with hiragana, this uses katakana but they are both phonetic alphabets. 

If I have time and energy later this week I will post some proganda aimed at adults.


That would indeed be excellent if you could do that. I'd certainly be interested in reading on what is mentioned in Adult propaganda during that time period.

Actually, I do have a question. Why do they teach kids in Japan to read Hiragana instead of "Katakana", which they used in the booklet? Is it easier to understand or was it down to American influence after the Pacific War?

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Remember Chang himself, for a certain time, had the support of the Japanese and had strong links with them, attending Tokyo war academy (if my memories are ok...) and serving in the Japanese army before his political carreer, and shortly aligning KMT with the Japanese. When the war definitely broke out, and when the japanese puppet governement was in place, they naturally had their collaborators stand for the only "real" Republic of China heir.
But well you can see what the Nazis did in Europe too when it comes to look for any seeds of legitimacy. That's politically pathetic from those both countries, of course, but well when you've got no friends, you'd better find a way to create some.


I do recall that old Chang had attended the Tokyo War Academy but I didn't know the KMT was actually supportive of Japan until when war was imminent.

Regarding Axis involvement in China, I do know originally that Adolf Hitler was a supporter of Chiang and the Nationalist movement.

The Chinese recieved several German instructors, equipment, etc. It was until Japan's invasion that Germany agreed to withdraw, considering that Japan was the technologically superior.

So, before the jump to the Allies, Nationalist China actually were recieving support from the Axis. Interesting indeed.....

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 5:21:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hiragana is a phonetic alphabet for .."domestic" words. Katakana is a phonetic alphabet for loan words (words borrowed from English, Portugese, etc). Katakana is also used for emphasis. When you look at pics of war time subs you see katakana ro "i" or "ro" then the number. Children learn hiragana first, then katakana, then they spend 12 years learning the 2800 "approved" Chinese characters (those that are used in newspapers for example). On top of that there are about another 1200 characters used for names, etc. and another.. oh..maybe 5000 for other things...  Hiragana, katakana and kanji are used side by side in normal writing. If you wrote the sentence "I went to the convenience store", for example.. The words "I" and "go" would be in kanji, the past tense modifier for "go" would be in hiragana, as would "to", and "convenience store" would be in katakana (shortened to KONBINI). There is no "the".


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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 12:02:02 PM   
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Regarding Axis involvement in China, I do know originally that Adolf Hitler was a supporter of Chiang and the Nationalist movement.

The Chinese recieved several German instructors, equipment, etc. It was until Japan's invasion that Germany agreed to withdraw, considering that Japan was the technologically superior.

So, before the jump to the Allies, Nationalist China actually were recieving support from the Axis. Interesting indeed.....


yes but this is a collaboration dating back to Weimar days, Nazis just perpetuated it - for the fun, Von Falkenhausen, the main advisor, received a check from Chiang for his birthday in the fifties numbering 1 million $ as "a friend of China".  Hitler, narrow-minded on the point, had some problems when it comes to give Chinese soldiers German type uniforms actually
KMT also recieved help from the Soviets until they switch sides (but white russians mercenaries stayed of course).

KMT China was aligned with Japan - or at least, Japan expected them  to do what they wanted - until the early 30s. But when they tried to push forward, they saw Chiang was not collaborating as much as they expected him to do, taking his role of Chinese chief way too seriousely for them, and they decided to strike harder (while until then their main tactics were assassination and military demonstrations) - especially after the incident of Xi'an, when Marshall Zhang Xueliang kidnapped him to force him to face the growing Japanese threat.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 1:57:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great thread! Thanks to those contributing and translating.

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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 5:33:41 PM   
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RE: Japanese WWII Propangda I found (Beware, 56k Users) - 2/28/2007 5:42:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well..its not as bad as it sounds. Hiragana and Katakana are two complete "alphabets" of 48 characters each.. BUT in English, you have to lower and upper case, print and cursive styles.. 26*4= 104. So, 104 vs. 96 isnt too bad. Its the kanji that bug most people....

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