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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/19/2007 1:41:10 PM   
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The first CVP date back to 1995, from the PiF kit, that is, before WiF FE even existed.
These countersheets were modified in 1997, 2000 and 2007, and this issue (if this is one) was always there.


Whaaaaaa? What CS did they update in 2007? According to most resources (xcel spreadsheet from ADG and your own website, the latest CS for PIF is 2000, and CVPiF is 1998. As a newb I have a hard enough time buying and organizing the FE edition, and dealing with the Cyberboard issues of the old Companion CD sheets I really getting lost. Did you mean MWIF when you typed 2007? And is that some insider information on the real release date?

There is a reprint that is being done in 2007. This was done mainly because ADG was low on stocks for those CS. The reprinted CS are :
CS7-9 (Planes in Flames)
CS18-22 (Ship in Flames)
CS23 (Mech in Flames)
CS24 (Classic WiF)

As far as I know, but I have not yet received these CS, the reprint will only have minor changes, except for CS23.

The main change, will be that those CS will have a small letter on each coutner to identify from which kit the counter is. For the moment, the letter that already exist are :

AiF (CS26-28) have an "A"
CVPiF (CS29) have a "C"
PatiF (CS31-35) have a "T"
PoliF counters (CS30) have a "P"
CLiF (CS36) have a "CL"
CoiF (CS38) have a "Co".

The reprint will add a "PI" for counters from CS7-9, a "S" for counters from CS18-22, and a "M" for counters from CS23.

CS-7-9 have little changes. I recall that the Sunderlands now have their range in a white circle, meaning that their ATR role is now recognised. The CW C-47 is also dated later (1941 instead of 1939), and replaced by a new No PARA DC-3 counter for setup.

CS18-22 have their SUBs counters modified in combat factors and availability dates, because those CS are put in line with the design philosophy of CoiF and the 2003 reprint of the CS1-6. That is, the CS have the range & speed that improve other the years, not the CF.

CS23 is nearly all new, with some brand new city based volunteers counters for the USA, the CW, Italy, Japan. Germany already had a lot, and now each major power will have his City Based Volunteers. CS23 also regroups some counters that were printed previously in other nearly out of print CS, such as CS25 IIRC. There are new DIV, and even some new GBA DIV. There are also some extra GBA along with the ones reprinted from the older CS. There is also a new CW OIL buildable in Kuwait, a new CW DC-3 ATR counter to replace the normal C-47 that the CW get at setup.

CS24 has half a dozen US Entry markers with their value changed. About 3 markers who had a "0" value now have a "1" value, and I think I saw some 4 becoming 3, ir the reverse.

Anyway, when I'll have those CS, I'll make a comparison between the previous and the new ones, and I'll publish the precise informations on my website.

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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/19/2007 10:42:04 PM   
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CS-7-9 have little changes. I recall that the Sunderlands now have their range in a white circle, meaning that their ATR role is not recognised. The CW C-47 is also dated later, and replaced by a new No PARA DC-3 counter for setup.


So... a 20 range transport available from the start of the game. Nails or what?

I wasnt aware of the Sunderland being used as a transport in any significant military capacity during the war.

I'd be interested to understand the justification for this tweak.



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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/19/2007 11:00:28 PM   
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So... a 20 range transport available from the start of the game. Nails or what?
I wasnt aware of the Sunderland being used as a transport in any significant military capacity during the war.
I'd be interested to understand the justification for this tweak.

The Sunderland had the same transport capacity & the same use as the Mavis & Emily Japanese seaplanes, who get a white circle.
I forgot to also write that the Sunderland has a NO PARA symbol too.

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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/19/2007 11:42:05 PM   
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2 references I found about Sunderlands being used as transports.

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http://www.xs4all.nl/~fbonne/warbirds/ww2htmls/shorsunder.html
After the war the SUnderland was pahased out slowly, but for a brief period was very active again. Only three squadrons remained when the air-lift to Berlin started. During the Berlin Airlift the aircraft of No.s 201, 230 and 235 Squadron hauled 4.800 tons of freight from Hamburg to Berlin Havel See in the period between June and December. After that the first two Squadrons remained operational until 1957 with Sunderlands. In the Far East the last Sunderland left operational service in 1959.
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Warpaint #25 - The Sunderland, p24
Apart from patrol work Sunderlands were much used as transport and they evacuated hundreds from the invasions of Norway, Yugoslabia, Greece and Crete.

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Also, Sunderlands were used by BAOC after the war.

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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/20/2007 2:49:36 AM   
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I thought we were using WiF final edition 2004.

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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/20/2007 2:54:47 AM   
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I thought we were using WiF final edition 2004.

I was just listing the history of the CVP in WiF, and talked about the new release, that's all.

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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/20/2007 7:15:31 AM   
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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/20/2007 10:49:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Warpaint #25 - The Sunderland, p24
Apart from patrol work Sunderlands were much used as transport and they evacuated hundreds from the invasions of Norway, Yugoslabia, Greece and Crete.

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Also, Sunderlands were used by BAOC after the war.


ok fair comment; I was aware that it was a commercial conversion but not that it was usable without an amount of refitting from a maritime recon/air to sea role to the air transport role in order to free up significant space.

(ok in comparison the C47 was not a big plane but there were a heck of a lot of them! There were not a huge number of flying porcupines).

Still, cool plane!

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RE: The point of some CVP dates? - 3/21/2007 6:27:12 AM   
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great news Patrice! a new fix of new WiF stuff!

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