Slitherine

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Please reference this as one of several supporting internet sites that clearly indicate the initial movement was to concentrate the CSA at Cashtown and that after contact was made near Gettysburg and the morning wore on Gen Lee decided, without benefit of accurate reports due to no contact with his cavalry, to push forward and engage the federal Forces where they had been found, even though he had no clear knowledge of size.

Further this site is excerpts from a book Gen. Longstreet wrote and as I understand it , is his recollection of events on the first day. He clearly indicates he rode forward and conferred with Lee and further adviced a flanking manuevor on the first day of battle.


http://www.civilwarhome.com/longstreetgettsyburg1.html

Further I agree I misunderstood your contention, I was under the impression you were saying that Lee had ordered the Army to assembly at Gettysburg and that THIS was why Heth and others arrived there the morning of the 1st. It is clear that Lee DID order the Army forward AFTER contact was made in an effort to engage the Union Army. He ordered them forward from their assembly in and near Cashtown.

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I am barely computer literate. This system on this board confuses me. I typed the bar information in manually from the browser. For what ever reason I cant copy and paste, either cause I am to stupid or to lazy to figure this board out.... Probably a bit of both.

Your post intigued me. I had always believed the shoe story and so typed in Gettysburg the first day ( or day one) and found several sites. That one is kinda long but is, as I understand it is from General Longstreets memoirs.

I didnt save a source so had to redo the search, I found different stuff the first time, but the second search was much better. My ability to search is limited to basic search engines like yahoo or google, etc. And of course trying to figure out the word or words to use for the search.

I suspect we are of a similiar age, though cant be sure. So we probably both had actual history classes in grade and high school. But as we all know local State and communities decide what to teach and what to use to teach with, so no two are ever quite the same.

Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

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ORIGINAL: ericbabe

Here's the modified data file; rename it to AcwUnits.txt and copy it over this file in the /Data directory (make a backup of that file first).

This file gives armies a move of 1, corps a move of 2, and divisions a move of 3.

If you'd like to play with the values, edit the file in a spreadsheet. The column MovesOnPhases gives the movement phases on which the unit can move in binary, so in the new file Army has an 8, so it moves on phase 3; Corps has a 12, so it moves on phases 2 and 3; Division has a 14, so it moves on phases 1,2,3.

Let us know how it works.

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ORIGINAL: christof139

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I am barely computer literate. This system on this board confuses me. I typed the bar information in manually from the browser. For what ever reason I cant copy and paste, either cause I am to stupid or to lazy to figure this board out.... Probably a bit of both.

Your post intigued me. I had always believed the shoe story and so typed in Gettysburg the first day ( or day one) and found several sites. That one is kinda long but is, as I understand it is from General Longstreets memoirs.

I didnt save a source so had to redo the search, I found different stuff the first time, but the second search was much better. My ability to search is limited to basic search engines like yahoo or google, etc. And of course trying to figure out the word or words to use for the search.

I suspect we are of a similiar age, though cant be sure. So we probably both had actual history classes in grade and high school. But as we all know local State and communities decide what to teach and what to use to teach with, so no two are ever quite the same.

Anyway, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Oh, no problem, I just went off the deep end a bit. Everyone at first is taught and believes the Gettysburg Shoe Story, although in reality I think Gettysburg actually was a bit of a shoe production place in those times. Thing is that from what I garnered through past readings is that CSA troops prior to Heth's division alreay went through Gettysburg and probably already swiped all the shoes in the area.

Yeah, you're right about Cashtown, and I went and did a quick look too at some info.

It took me some time to figure out how to use the Forum's boards here, and I sometimes forget because I don't do stuff with them, and had problems changing my avatar pic in 'My Profile' today. After you upload a pic you have to click the 'Apply' button in the lower part of the 'My Profile' screen in order to complete the upload process enabling the uploaded pic to be seen. The pic was made by someone else and is a unit panel icon for the old TalonSoft ACW games. I am going to put a few more up in the future, and there are both more USA and CSA Indians and Zouaves etc.

Chris

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Just to weigh in on the Gettysburg discussion. Lee did order a concentration of his forces at Gettysburg but never intended to fight there. The battle was a meeting engagement that got out of hand. All Lee and Meade could do at that point was keep feeding troops into the battle. Ewell's 2nd Corps was actually on the verge of attacking Harrisburg and had to double back due to Lee's concentration order. It is highly doubtful that Heth's men were on foraging mission for shoes as Ewell's men had been through Gettysburg several days prior to the battle and picked it clean of any useful supplies. Heth was ordered to scout the area due to reports of Union troops in the vicinity and ran smack into Buford's cavalry. Longstreet did not arrive until after the battle was joined and did not make his flanking comments until the second day when Lee ordered him to seize Little Round Top. Longstreet also pleaded with Lee for a flanking attack on the third day when he was ordered to take command of what came to be Pickett's charge.

How do I know all of this? I was there.
Actually the Civil War and Gettysburg have been a lifelong study of mine.

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Your right, the CSA had passed through the town earlier in the month of June. I read a small article on a State Militia unit that got beat up by the CSA, captured members were held in Gettysburg and given a stern talking to by one of the Confederate Commanders before being paroled with the advice to stay at home on the farm or risk getting hurt or killed.

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Please reference this as one of several supporting internet sites that clearly indicate the initial movement was to concentrate the CSA at Cashtown and that after contact was made near Gettysburg and the morning wore on Gen Lee decided, without benefit of accurate reports due to no contact with his cavalry, to push forward and engage the federal Forces where they had been found, even though he had no clear knowledge of size.

Further this site is excerpts from a book Gen. Longstreet wrote and as I understand it , is his recollection of events on the first day. He clearly indicates he rode forward and conferred with Lee and further adviced a flanking manuevor on the first day of battle.


http://www.civilwarhome.com/longstreetgettsyburg1.html

Further I agree I misunderstood your contention, I was under the impression you were saying that Lee had ordered the Army to assembly at Gettysburg and that THIS was why Heth and others arrived there the morning of the 1st. It is clear that Lee DID order the Army forward AFTER contact was made in an effort to engage the Union Army. He ordered them forward from their assembly in and near Cashtown.

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Ya, I understand. Though the point on the 1st day was about their position on the heights at Cemetary Ridge. If they had gone to their left they would have little opposition, if they had gone to their right they would have run into Union forces arriving to reinforce.

Been a long while since I played a Gettysburg game, cant remember the terrain to the left of the Confederates on the first day, dont recall any roads there though, cant remember if the Union had more heights behind them on that flank .

It is moot anyway, as the frontal assault never occurred on the first day and the Confederates did deploy to their right. I have though learned something new, something I didnt know prior to this discussion.

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Wasn't that Culp's hill on the Union right? The terrain was just as tough over there.

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Chris, this mod uses the 1-2-3 system, the standard game is all 3's.

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Force March and Logistical Staff – A military group with at least a “Fair” rating for its Logistical
Staff also increases its movement rate by +1 while under Force March, though this bonus is not
cumulative with the +1 movement bonus that a unit receives when starting in a River province,
nor with the +1 movement bonus that a military group with a “Superb” rating automatically
receives.