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Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 11:05:40 AM

pauk

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Ok, Speedy and I just started WiTM Fremen scen/Nik mod 5.0.... I'm expecting somewhat different game than 'regular' scenario not only due to changes in air combat model. From what i saw in the quick peek of enemy ground forces, I must deal with more enemy units. Speedy can go into details, but i can say that this is encouraging mod for the Allies (wonder myself if i would be able to capture Tobruk at all)... still, my extraordinary skills will prevail and i will kick my crappy opponent!

Lets go!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/01/42

I must use to it - bombers will always get through in the Nik mod.

Day Air attack on Mersa Brega , at 44,132

Japanese aircraft
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 23

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Bf-109F-4 Trop: 5 damaged
Ju-87 D (Ger): 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1

at 10000 feet

I will show no mercy for Malta. Duce ordered, "Malta must be closed" and i'm determined to kick out the Brits from there! It was a draw in the first round, but enemy can't keep the pace.....

Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-200 x 24
Bf-109F-4 x 26
MC-202 x 27
Re-2001 x 20
Z-1007 Bis x 12
BR 20 M x 39
Ju-88A-4 x 20
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 5

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 31
Spitfire Vc x 13
Beaufighter X x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
MC-200: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
Bf-109F-4: 7 destroyed, 10 damaged
MC-202: 4 damaged
Re-2001: 2 damaged
Z-1007 Bis: 10 damaged
BR 20 M: 5 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 3 damaged
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc: 16 destroyed
Spitfire Vc: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Beaufighter X: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
4 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
9 x BR 20 M bombing at 26900 feet
9 x BR 20 M bombing at 26900 feet
11 x BR 20 M bombing at 26900 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
6 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
5 x BR 20 M bombing at 26900 feet
2 x BR 20 M bombing at 26900 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 26900 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet

Things are getting better in the second strike...

Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 11
SM 79 x 16
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 30
Ju-88A-4 x 44
Hs-126 B-2 x 5

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 2
Spitfire Vc x 6
Beaufighter X x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 2 damaged
SM 79 : 1 destroyed, 14 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
Hs-126 B-2: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc: 6 destroyed
Spitfire Vc: 9 destroyed
Beaufighter X: 3 destroyed
Beaufighter VIF: 2 destroyed
Baltimore II: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 28

Ju-88A-4 bombing at 15000 feet
Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
SM 84 bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 12
IMAM Ro-37 x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
IMAM Ro-37: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
5 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet

Bah!

Day Air attack on Comiso , at 35,118

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 18

In Nik mod all enemy units are on the road and i need to capture Barce, Benghazi and Msus because they are in the British hands...

Day Air attack on 9th Indian Brigade, at 45,130

Japanese aircraft
Ju-87 B (Ger) x 15
Z-1007 Bis x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ju-87 B (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
16 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 6000 feet

Meanwhile, why not to train Italians?

Day Air attack on 9th Indian Brigade, at 45,130

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 15
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 14
Ju-87 D (Ger) x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
15 x MC-202 bombing at 2000 feet

Convoy will get through!

Day Air attack on TF at 35,121

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc x 6
Blenheim IV x 7
Wellington III x 6
Beaufighter X x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
PC Achille Papa
AK Fabio Filzi
PC Prestinari

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet

Do you feel the Jupiter wrath, Speedy?

Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-200 x 26
MC-202 x 34
Re-2001 x 21
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 28
Ju-87 B (Ita) x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 18
Spitfire Vc x 3
Beaufighter X x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
MC-200: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
MC-202: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Bf-109F-4 Trop: 1 damaged
Ju-87 B (Ita): 3 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Beaufighter X: 5 destroyed

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ju-87 B (Ita) bombing at 2000 feet

Who-ho! A retaliation strike from Malta

Day Air attack on Comiso , at 35,118

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc x 4
Blenheim IV x 3
Wellington III x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Z-506: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Blenheim IV bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Wellington III bombing at 15000 feet

Suprise! That will teach Englander to keep CAP over his bases (strike was coming from Aegean base)...

Day Air attack on Tobruk , at 50,128

Japanese aircraft
Z-1007 Bis x 21

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 14

at 15000 feet

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 2:35:22 PM

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Hi all,

As Pauk says we are starting this great enhancement to an already great Scenario. Nik has tweaked quite a few things. More changes on the Allied than Axis side but that because if i'm honest more have been noted for the Allied side!

Pauk - for the future if you find anything odd/un-realistic/a-historical speak up

The Allied OOB has been brought upto date to include forces historically available in this time frame - for example Poles, NZ'ers etc.

A2A tweaks have been made.

Allied Squadrons are mainly 'USA Army' now to allow the Allies the same freedom to upgrade squadrons as the Axis rather than having to wait until May 1942

Malta has received substantial amounts of Eng to allow rapid repair of airfields abnd give Malta a bit more staying power.

Submarines for both sides have received exp increases to allow a better chance of attack.

Italian heavy surface units have been re-vamped to incorporate the correct armour layout = better chance for them in combat now.

Plane loadouts have been tweaked to allow more planes to carry torps = higher risk for using Naval assets in this 'pool of death'.

Starting positions of the Allied LCU's reflect a more historical situation.

Port's removed from bases between Tripoli and Tobruk to reflect the critical and historical importance of capturing Tobrruk for the Axis = long supply lines otherwise.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 8:01:14 PM

pauk

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Speedy

Pauk - for the future if you find anything odd/un-realistic/a-historical speak up

Both of us are here long enough to know if the A(xis) FB tries to speak he will get a usual portion of "hey, that wasn't possible in RL, why should be allowed in the game" arguments

Seriously, Axis player is always in very unpleasant situation. If he achive something good, then the game sucks (and we need more restrictions to Axis become this wasn't possible in RL)... if Axis player sucks, well, then some of us calling that a good design

So far i did not have any major complaints for the Allies in the Fremen mod - arguments you've mentioned are valid ... my complaints for the Fremen stock game are: subs are next to useless in the Fremen stock; supply transport to the North Africa was quite easy. Overall it really seems that it is too easy game for Axis... regarding Brits, my only complaint is that Royal Navy is real Death Star (but i want to test it little further)....

As for the Nik mod - i do belive that he included historical units, but im not sure what i can do against Brits if he transfers his rear-area troops (there are quite a few divisions in Palestine and Delta) in the frontlines) - but also would like to test it before i start to complain about it.... i could be wrong, of course....

I have a question for Nik also: what about Axis industry? I didn't want to touch and change anything because i do not feel that would be fair move: expanding Japanese industry if she is able to capture intact oil and resource centers are logical, but i can not justify such move for Italians... what are your thoughts about that? Of course, other oppinions are more than welcomed!

I just want to add that WiTM is fantastic! A lot of fun, turns are done in 10 minutes and this is really refreshing after spending hour and half for a single WiTP turn... I'm strongly recommend WiTM to everyone

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/02/42

Enemy is testing our strength in the Aegeus....

Day Air attack on Rhodes , at 56,118

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 16
Wellington III x 64

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 T: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
74 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 59

at 10000 feet

We are willing to please Duce... Malta reciving another heavy punch! Enemy lost 44 ac today while we lost 28 ac. A2A was strongly in our favor 19-1, we torched 24 enemy ac on the ground (axis lost 7 on the ground) but ops losses and flak (14!) increased our losses significantly. However this was necessary - Malta will be closed down! I suspect that remaining Maltese pigeons (Englander calling them airmen) are quite demoralised)....

Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-200 x 17
Bf-109F-4 x 15
MC-202 x 24
Z-1007 Bis x 9
BR 20 M x 32
Ju-88A-4 x 15
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 3

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 11
Spitfire Vc x 6
Kittyhawk I x 18
Beaufighter X x 3
Tomahawk IIb x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
MC-200: 3 damaged
Bf-109F-4: 3 damaged
MC-202: 3 damaged
Z-1007 Bis: 8 damaged
BR 20 M: 1 destroyed, 26 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 5 damaged
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Spitfire Vc: 1 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 8 destroyed, 3 damaged
Beaufighter X: 2 damaged
Tomahawk IIb: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
BR 20 M bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 10
SM 79 x 11
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 27
Ju-88A-4 x 34
Hs-126 B-2 x 4

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 2
Tomahawk IIb x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
SM 79 : 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
Hs-126 B-2: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 5 destroyed
Tomahawk IIb: 5 destroyed
Hurricane IIc: 3 destroyed
Beaufighter VIF: 2 destroyed
Spitfire Vc: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 15000 feet
12 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
3 x SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SM 84 bombing at 15000 feet
5 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
1 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 15000 feet
5 x SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 15000 feet
2 x SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
5 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
2 x SM 84 bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 13
IMAM Ro-37 x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 6 damaged
IMAM Ro-37: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses

Runway hits 2

at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
Ca-311 x 1
SM 79 x 40
Z-1007 Bis x 40
BR 20 M x 30

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 14 damaged
Z-1007 Bis: 2 destroyed, 19 damaged
BR 20 M: 16 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vc: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIc: 4 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 57

at 15000 feet

Preparing ground for Rommels offensive....

Day Air attack on 9th Indian Brigade, at 45,130

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 15
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 14
Ju-87 D (Ger) x 20

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
15 x MC-202 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Indian Brigade, at 45,130

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 19
MC-200 x 48
Ju-88A-4 x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
99 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

SM 79 bombing at 15000 feet
MC-200 bombing at 2000 feet
MC-200 bombing at 2000 feet
Ju-88A-4 bombing at 15000 feet

Our convoy arrives safetly at Tripoli... we are supplied for certain time

Day Air attack on TF, near Tripoli at 32,127

Japanese aircraft
Fiat G-50 x 8
MC-200 x 3
MC-202 x 6

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 6
Spitfire Vc x 3
Kittyhawk I x 4
Blenheim IV x 5
Wellington III x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Fiat G-50: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Fabio Filzi
PC Antonino Cascino

at 8000 feet

Enemy ac found another convoy in the Med - we are testing enemy air strength at the Malta....

Day Air attack on TF at 39,115

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc x 3
Blenheim IV x 6
Wellington III x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AK Citta di Genova
AK Ramb III
AK Monte Piana

at 8000 feet

< Message edited by pauk -- 4/8/2007 8:02:41 PM >

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 8:47:55 PM

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Hi Paukadumbass,

I agree RN is a DS in the stock mod. I think we should play this one more seriously though. I am happy to have a test battle again at sea. You should perform better this time since your BB's have been tweaked historically.

There are more units my end (they were historically as you say) but i'm NOT going to rush them all to Tobruk for example to keep it realistic.

You have squashed Malta again. Upto 52/43 damage now. Not sustainable at this point in time. Good job.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 9:48:39 PM

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Dumbass my ass! You better do your part of job here and attach some screenshots!

We are going to have naval battle in Nik mod, that is for sure.... As for the Malta, did i ever dissapointed you?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 01/03/42

I was interested to see how the Italian PTs performing against their British counterparts.... torpedo was almost Italian invention, after all... that is why i sent PTs to Malta and one of them hit mine... the outcome of this 'epic' naval encounter was...hmph...lets say, intersting...
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TF 17 encounters mine field at Malta (35,120)

Japanese Ships
PT S-33, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

No Italian ac left at Rhodes - regular late war tactic by Japanese... codename "Grashopper"

Day Air attack on Rhodes , at 56,118

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 9
Wellington III x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 T: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 48

at 10000 feet

And that was it at the Malta - no enemy opposition today... Englander admit defeat here... Duce is pleased!

Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
MC-200 x 17
Bf-109F-4 x 19
MC-202 x 23
Z-1007 Bis x 5
BR 20 M x 21
Ju-88A-4 x 16
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon x 3

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Z-1007 Bis: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
BR 20 M: 2 destroyed, 17 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 3 damaged
Bf-109F-4 R2 Recon: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc: 1 destroyed

Runway hits 9

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
2 x BR 20 M bombing at 16000 feet
8 x BR 20 M bombing at 16000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 16000 feet
7 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
2 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 26900 feet
3 x BR 20 M bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 3
SM 79 x 12
Bf-110D-3 x 30
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 27
Ju-88A-4 x 32
Hs-126 B-2 x 4

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 1 damaged
SM 79 : 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ju-88A-4: 3 damaged
Hs-126 B-2: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
Tomahawk IIb: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc: 4 destroyed
Beaufighter X: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 8

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 25000 feet
18 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 25900 feet
9 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x SM 84 bombing at 25900 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 25900 feet
2 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 25000 feet
2 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
3 x Ju-88A-4 bombing at 25900 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 3
IMAM Ro-37 x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 damaged
IMAM Ro-37: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SM 79 bombing at 23000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 84 x 24
Z-1007 Bis x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 84: 4 damaged
Z-1007 Bis: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x SM 84 bombing at 25900 feet
12 x Z-1007 Bis bombing at 15000 feet
4 x SM 84 bombing at 25900 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 30
Z-1007 Bis x 27
BR 20 M x 27

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 2 destroyed, 17 damaged
Z-1007 Bis: 13 damaged
BR 20 M: 2 destroyed, 22 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIc: 4 destroyed
Baltimore II: 1 destroyed
Spitfire Vc: 1 destroyed
Wellington III: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 26

at 15000 feet

What i can say? I love ambushed ambushes! Another clear Axis victory in the Med skies (18-1)... unfortunatly i lost 23 ac due to flak today and that makes 47-30something aircraft lost today (in Axis favor).....

Day Air attack on 9th Indian Brigade, at 45,130

Japanese aircraft
MC-202 x 15
Bf-109F-4 Trop x 44
Ju-87 D (Ger) x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 11
Spitfire Vc x 13
Tomahawk IIb x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Bf-109F-4 Trop: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Spitfire Vc: 13 destroyed
Tomahawk IIb: 2 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ju-87 D (Ger) bombing at 2000 feet
15 x MC-202 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Indian Brigade, at 45,130

Japanese aircraft
SM 79 x 15
MC-200 x 41
Ju-88A-4 x 6

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc x 3
Spitfire Vc x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
SM 79 : 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported

at 15000 feet
MC-200 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Reggio Calabria at 37,116

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 3
Wellington III x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Littorio

at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on Malta , at 35,120

Japanese aircraft
BR 20 M x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
BR 20 M: 8 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

And the 'epic' battle finally occurs! Allied TF is suprised but no torps (or even shells) were exchanged at all - TFs breaks off!

Day Time Surface Combat, near Malta at 35,120

Japanese Ships
PT Ms-16
PT Ms-22
PT Ms-31
PT S-30
PT S-31
PT S-32
PT S-34

Allied Ships
PT MTB-61
PT MTB-62
PT MTB-63
PT MTB-64
PT MTB-65
PT MTB-66

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 9:58:28 PM

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hey they started! yippie!

wait....another update (kidding!)

Are you guys using the new Phwex map data? should make things more intersting vs WWI warfare in the base hexes.

Just FYI, you guys should play with a houserule limiting max altitude of bombing attacks to 25k due to NM changes to make flak effective, and because even at ultra high alts above the flak ceilings...you can still get a large consistant # of airbase hits.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 10:00:39 PM

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Not yet... but i plan to install it...after i get turns from Englander.... thanks for tip (HR - max 25 K wasnt aware of it)...

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 10:07:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pauk

As for the Nik mod - i do belive that he included historical units, but im not sure what i can do against Brits if he transfers his rear-area troops (there are quite a few divisions in Palestine and Delta) in the frontlines) - but also would like to test it before i start to complain about it.... i could be wrong, of course....

I have a question for Nik also: what about Axis industry? I didn't want to touch and change anything because i do not feel that would be fair move: expanding Japanese industry if she is able to capture intact oil and resource centers are logical, but i can not justify such move for Italians... what are your thoughts about that? Of course, other oppinions are more than welcomed!

Some of the rear area units start the game with heavy disablements to simulate either their rebuilding/training or in the case of 7th Armored div, their tired status.

If things prove too tough for the Axis i will probably make some more adjustments (thats what the beta is for anyway) For example, Tobruk may not deserve it's fort level status since this scenario tech covers Round II for Rommel and he was able to take the fortress though this was due in part to British mismanagement. Also i plan to reduce the disablements for more starting Axis units. The map changes will also help flanking maneuver attempts.

Additionally you have more capable Stuka squadrons now....longer reach (30mile conversion) and 500kg and 1000kg SAP bombs. (the latter of which can penetrate the rebuilt Brit BB's and the flight decks of armored carriers)

Axis Industry -

I've only started looking at it. Per Fremen, he initially designed the Italian economy to last through 42 (declining) so it appears Resource and Oil are insufficient to meet needs (i did notice dropping levels of industry and supply) I'm more of the preference that the economy be balanced (self sustained) but at a level where the Italians can't become a powerhouse. Places like Athens should have daily supply from the Reich.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 10:21:04 PM

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Plane loadouts have been tweaked to allow more planes to carry torps = higher risk for using Naval assets in this 'pool of death'.

Some loadouts have been tweaked and i added some missing planes (Martlet II, Albacore) but i didn't increase torpedo loadouts (still just SM-79T and Beufort) because I think having too many of those types would produce a situation where the navies of each side can't operate and the theater would become a "Mini - Pacific" totally dominated by airpower (because air search and attack is so much more efficient than RL...combine that with torpedoes....aiee)

RN will have to watch out for the Stuka's though.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 10:33:30 PM

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Here's a pic of the new (beta) map for the scenario. Trying to create an easier situation where flanking maneuvers can be attempted.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 10:58:26 PM

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Since i'm not an "arteeest" the map will still look the same, but movement is now different. Also not readily apparent on the new map is the Quatra depression (impassible hexes)...added to prevent anyone going around El Alamein from the south....there's only a front door on land for Rommel to come knocking (if he gets that far)

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/8/2007 11:53:41 PM

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Italian heavy surface units have been re-vamped to incorporate the correct armour layout = better chance for them in combat now.

Anyone can say me the correct data introduced? I use the CONWAYS FIGHTING SHIPS, i think is a great source and very trusty.

Acording to DS effect in the RN ships. In most of my testing, in naval battles between ALL italian capital ships, 5 BB, against ALL the british, 4 BB, the draw was very usually.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 12:52:21 AM

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Hi Fremen,

I think he was referring to the beta comment "Italian BB armor scrub" that i listed. It appears that in the beta you pointed me too, the Cavour and Doria classes had 80mm armor belts. (3.1 inches) Fixed it using Conways. There was a minor scrub on Littorio using Garzke...but there was a choice between several sources. I simply chose Garzke because his books on modern BB's are much more in-depth than Conways.

I havn't looked at the other ships much yet....i trust you've done your homework and don't feel the need to scrutinze EVERYTHING asap. I'm sure the Doria/Cavour thing was just a typo. Kind of like my Alabcore first attempt

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 1:12:32 AM

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Who's HE Nik...........?

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 1:40:22 AM

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sorry, I always mangle his name. Its Garzke

Three book series on US, Allied and Axis battleship of the Second World War. Excellent series overall....a tad bit over generous in the US book regarding strengths/weaknesses compared to the Axis/Allied where every weakness is nitpicked or at least mentioned.

http://www.amazon.com/Battleships-Axis-Neutral-World-War/dp/0870211013/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9095175-0446230?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176071797&sr=1-1

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 7:20:51 PM

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Fremen i have sent you screenshots of Italian BB armor configs.

The draw or Italian advantage with same number of BBs when they employ Littorios should be the usual in day light and at night the advantage is for british. Btw a player that wish to follow italian behaviour should put italian fleet to retire in case of night action. That was their tactics: escape all night action.

Concerning Africa, Italy keep it supplied till the end.
For those that can read italian (and even if not the the data tables and graphics are clear) http://regioesercito.dns1.us/articolivari/battconv.htm

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 7:27:18 PM

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Italy continued convoys, but the level of supply fluctuated depending on the time period.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 7:29:00 PM

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Yeah, I'd hesitate to say that Italy "kept Africa supplied"...

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 8:12:43 PM

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Well you just have to read the data...

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 8:24:26 PM

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actually, no....one has to read up on the campaign. Statistics (even when they are accurate), can be interpreted in all sorts of ways, particularily when they are generalized. Clay Blair also came up with some great 'statistics' too which led people to make some fairly brazen opinions. (the famous 99% of all incoming loaded traffic reached port)

There were critical periods during the war in the Med where much of the incoming supply was interdicted which led to serious problems for Rommel. There were also periods of time when Italian convoys were unmolested due to the British not having the strength to run interdictions. The Italians also ran "convoys" to less threatened sectors too which often were not molested.

(I place convoys in quotes because on average an Italian "convoy" consisted of only 1-2 ships.)

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 8:36:28 PM

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Left a smaller footprint that way...

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:04:31 PM

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Here's a pic of the new (beta) map for the scenario. Trying to create an easier situation where flanking maneuvers can be attempted.

Nik;

Are you saying you changed all those hexsides to road movement rate?

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:10:40 PM

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Here's a pic of the new (beta) map for the scenario. Trying to create an easier situation where flanking maneuvers can be attempted.

Nik;

Are you saying you changed all those hexsides to road movement rate?

You'd kind of have to - the hex are actually 30 miles, but of course the game engine doesn't really know that, so you have to speed up the movement rates drastically to get to regular WITP speeds, otherwise it might take an armored unit maybe 12 days to cross a hex.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:15:39 PM

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Yes.

The idea was to allow rapid mechanized movement in more than one row of hexes creating better opportunities for flanking attacks. This way players can't simply stack a bunch of LCU's in the base hexes (hoping for trench warefare...as its looking to turn out in my game with Chuck at Bardi) Now one has to watch the flanks and guard them....even keep a reserve in the backfield to protect supply lines.

As mentioned too...there's also the issue of 30 mile hexes but with 60 mile movement.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:38:57 PM

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Here's a pic of the new (beta) map for the scenario. Trying to create an easier situation where flanking maneuvers can be attempted.

Is there any way, I'm sure there is, to make these 'roads' look less like a cross section of a girder bridge? Its purely aesthetic, but boy does it ruin the feel of the desert at present.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:39:15 PM

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Here's a pic of the new (beta) map for the scenario. Trying to create an easier situation where flanking maneuvers can be attempted.

Nik;

Are you saying you changed all those hexsides to road movement rate?

You'd kind of have to - the hex are actually 30 miles, but of course the game engine doesn't really know that, so you have to speed up the movement rates drastically to get to regular WITP speeds, otherwise it might take an armored unit maybe 12 days to cross a hex.

Right;

That makes sense...perhaps the coast road could have the rail movement rate...it is fully paved. I suppose the leg infantry would move too fast.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:41:42 PM

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The view in the Jpeg displays the hidden movement "infrastructure" when you press the "R" key. Normally this infrastructure is invisible.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:43:43 PM

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That makes sense...perhaps the coast road could have the rail movement rate...it is fully paved. I suppose the leg infantry would move too fast.

I thought about it....only problem is that 'Rail' hex movement would maximize the movement of supplies which would be counter-productive to the SPS port changes i made in an "attempt" to simulate the supply stretch Rommel experienced. Road hex terrain is probably the best "compromise" between movement rates and supply spoilage.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:50:46 PM

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"There were critical periods during the war in the Med where much of the incoming supply was interdicted which led to serious problems for Rommel." What means much? the biggest interdiction was 62% in Nov41; Rommel never had any fuel/amno problems due to convoy interdiction his problem was that there wasnt a good supply line in the Desert since Italian Army didnt had enough vehicles for the size of the whole army in Africa. The same problem plagged German Army in Soviet Union were millions of horses had to be used.

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RE: Attenzione (Achtung)!: Il Pauk schools Speedy in Med! - 4/9/2007 9:53:09 PM

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"There were critical periods during the war in the Med where much of the incoming supply was interdicted which led to serious problems for Rommel." What means much? the biggest interdiction was 62% in Nov41; �

You don't consider 62% a large chunk?