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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 12:18:00 AM   
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Oh ok so if I say Paradox games suk because they are always buggy out of the box and use the same ole donkey milking engine over n over that's ok still? ;)


I'll ignore the fact that you're trolling for now, but keep it up and you'll get a warning.

This is basically a generalization and a personal one at that ("suk", "donkey milking engine"?), so no, it's not ok. Want to post some specific criticism? Fine. For exampe, "I experienced 10 CTDs in one session with Game X, I'm never playing it again." or "This particular bug in Game Y is a game-breaker for me, I would never recommend it to anyone.", etc. That's fine. "It sucks, because I say so" is not fine. "I don't like it at all" is fine. Get it?

The simple reason for this is that the internet is filled with trolls and we don't want this place to become a free-for-all for anyone to vent and say whatever they want about other publishers' games, even if undeserved. This would pretty quickly get us a reputation as endorsing such attacks and we would then pretty quickly alienate those publishers and communities. This is a small enough market as it is.

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Or if I say I prefer Trotters reviews over Cobbs because his have historical value and Cobbs are long winded and boring with too much information about the interface features and not enough information about the game and the AI or how much challenge it offers, that's ok also? ;)


That's actually ok, there's nothing in there that's a personal attack, though very critical. The difference is you're criticing an article instead of a person. Get it?

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 2:46:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I wasn't trolling as you percieved I was being serious. Beause when I don't like a game or publisher to me they suk. When they use the same engine over and over to sell the same basic game and just rebox it with a few tweaks and attempt to sell it for a retail price when it is nothing more than a patch and a mod yeah I'm calling that milking the donkey, but, for your benefit I can sure call it trying to rip unknowing customers out of more of their hard earned money for the same product. No generalization but an adamant response of my opinion of the subject matter. I don't believe in beating around the bush or using ring around the rosey wording just to apease someones conscience. When I say a game suks it suks because of the way it is or presented. Why should I have to type out so many words to get my point across?

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 2:54:09 AM   
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Why should I have to type out so many words to get my point across?


Might help if you spelled "sucks" correctly, or, even better, used verbiage that is less inflammatory and more conversationally engaging.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 4:52:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		But that's just it Pat, "suks" does not have the same meaning as "sucks", that's why I use "suks". Just like troll and trolling aren't in the dictionary either by the way it is used on the "internet". So, what's wrong with "suks" for a term used for games we don't like or I don't like? ;)

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 5:25:04 AM   
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The reason you do not find the definition you want in your dictionary is that dictionaries are merely reflections of contemporary usage that become outdated very quickly in these days of rapid, often haphazard change. They are authorities for nothing other than what current fashion dictates in any event.

People who bastardize language for their own insipid purposes feed nothing but their own egoes and add further credence to Eric Blair's belief that what we call "civilization" is nothing more than decadence. They add nothing to dialogue, they only increase the volume of the noise that drowns out sense.

Suks, eh? Sucks so hard it bloze.

< Message edited by pasternakski -- 5/7/2007 5:35:45 AM >

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 6:23:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		bloze? Is that a word? or is that decadence on your part? ;)

As far as dictionaries go, we must have something solid to form our languages definitions on and well the dictionary has been around a long long time. Plus there's more people using dictionaries for terms, definitions and spellings than there are WIKIpedia lol. The internet doesn't own the world yet. It just owns most of the pompous and the sinister. ;)

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 7:53:59 AM   
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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 9:01:43 AM   
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the dictionary has been around a long long time.

So, perfesser, give us your wisdom on the history of dictionaries, their role in linguistics, and how we humble practitioners of language should be guided by your majesty's understanding.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 2:19:13 PM   
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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 7:37:21 PM   
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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 7:44:57 PM   
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Why should I have to type out so many words to get my point across?



Lazy too... Good little combo you have going there...

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 7:52:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought and liked DG. Yeah, it took about 2-3 weeks from the release and quite a few patches for it to become playable. What game doesn't need a patch or two these days? I guess EA, Ubisoft and other huge corporations and the likes can release games in "nopatchneeded" condition, but that's about it.

Oh and yea, i'm a big fan of paradox games and WitP as well. All patched to hell and back. So I guess I don't have such a tender soul as some of us have..

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 7:54:16 PM   
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I guess EA, Ubisoft and other huge corporations and the likes can release games in "nopatchneeded" condition, but that's about it.



That's garbage. They're more guilty of releasing games that desperately need patching than anybody.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 8:01:28 PM   
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I guess EA, Ubisoft and other huge corporations and the likes can release games in "nopatchneeded" condition, but that's about it.



That's garbage. They're more guilty of releasing games that desperately need patching than anybody.


Well there you have it then. Who DOES release games that are in no need of patching? Can anyone point me to a company that consistently does it?

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 8:32:20 PM   
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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 11:07:36 PM   
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Well there you have it then. Who DOES release games that are in no need of patching? Can anyone point me to a company that consistently does it?


Errr... NINTENDO?


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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 11:41:22 PM   
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Well there you have it then. Who DOES release games that are in no need of patching? Can anyone point me to a company that consistently does it?


This may come as a shocker, but MMG doesn't send games to publishers with KNOWN bugs.

At least that was the case during my two years of testing for the outfit.

A lot of what went into patches for the game(s) were actually improvements and new features that were added to the original package.

Stuff does crop up occasionally, though, after a game is shipped.

When it does, everyone associated with the team is genuinely horrified that something slipped past the testers.

They take a lot of pride in their work and have very high QA expectations.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 11:51:19 PM   
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Well there you have it then. Who DOES release games that are in no need of patching? Can anyone point me to a company that consistently does it?


This may come as a shocker, but MMG doesn't send games to publishers with KNOWN bugs.

At least that was the case during my two years of testing for the outfit.

A lot of what went into patches for the game(s) were actually improvements and new features that were added to the original package.

Stuff does crop up occasionally, though, after a game is shipped.

When it does, everyone associated with the team is genuinely horrified that something slipped past the testers.

They take a lot of pride in their work and have very high QA expectations.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



Oh, I guess all the other developers throw a party and madly cackle at bug report emails when they recieve any after release?

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/7/2007 11:53:49 PM   
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Oh, I guess all the other developers throw a party and madly cackle at bug report emails when they recieve any after release?

Actually, some developers/publishers don't bother to playtest the games before they ship them.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/8/2007 12:00:16 AM   
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Oh, I guess all the other developers throw a party and madly cackle at bug report emails when they recieve any after release?

Actually, some developers/publishers don't bother to playtest the games before they ship them.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)



Can you name some and point to some kind of evidence?

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/8/2007 12:10:52 AM   
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Can you name some and point to some kind of evidence?

Sure I can, but the game(s) that come to mind aren't included in the Reader's Choice Awards, and so the comments would be off topic.

I replied to a question that you asked above with an example of a developer which a lot of folks believe gets it "right."

The company in question, MadMinute Games, was cited by the larger wargaming community for creating the "Game of the Year," and tied for "Best Developer."

I'll leave it at that.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/8/2007 4:55:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I have to agree with that also MMG's games don't come anywhere close to the crap that other publishers and developers put out that require a long legacy of patching later on after the game is released. I applaud MMG's for their wins and awards. Too bad they just can't seem to find a publisher who does what they claim they will do as far as advertising and hype goes. I think Paradox just did them dirty with the 2nd Manassas release. But, then again I think Paradox "suks" (I don't like their games or engine and would only recommend one game to anyone and that would be CK) for the most part anyways. ;) I mean seriously I have to ask people how many lemons do you have to buy in a row before you realize you are never going to get an orange out of that barrel for months to years after the barrel has been opened?

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/8/2007 11:00:35 AM   
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That's why I buy Paradox games...because I like their strategy games. I had EUII and HoI2 and currently have EUIII and HoI:DD. The games are excellent.

In fact, related to this (Paradox issue you have) have you not recently purchased EUIII? I'm sure I saw a post where you stated you picked it up off Amazon for $14.99? hm?


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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/8/2007 7:23:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I said a long time ago Judge if you read my posts that I would never buy one of their games "retail upon release" again. But, siad I would buy them from bargain bins. I also stated it was Paradox that this crusade was against not reallly the games. The games are merely ok after they "finally" are patched, except for CK which was truely exceptional and I found it for less than $10 with a copy of HOI attached to it. Some duel pak jewel case sale. And yup I got EU III recently, got it and haven't even looked at it. It sits over there in the might play at a later date pile of games. I have Starcraft also still in shrink wrapped box and I still have no desire to play it either. Oh look there's HTTR over there also, but, I did play it for one day. lol I might visit it again someday when there is just totally nothing else I want to play. ;)

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/8/2007 7:33:25 PM   
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Oh look there's HTTR over there also, but, I did play it for one day. lol I might visit it again someday when there is just totally nothing else I want to play. ;)


Just admit you're really afraid the AI will kick your lower backside

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/9/2007 12:11:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lol what AI? hahaha You really don't want me to start on the AI in HTTR now do you? hahaha

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/9/2007 12:37:11 AM   
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Lol what AI? hahaha You really don't want me to start on the AI in HTTR now do you? hahaha


That's fcuking insulting.

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RE: Wargamer votes are in - 5/11/2007 10:43:17 AM   
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Lol what AI? hahaha You really don't want me to start on the AI in HTTR now do you? hahaha


<Settling in my comfy chair, leaning back>

You mean that AI that has impressed a lot of people who have played the game longer than half an hour ?

Yup, go ahead.

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