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Mystery land - 6/20/2007 8:42:47 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 8:48:52 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 8:49:12 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 8:52:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MineSweeper

Name this location.......







I have seen that one before on the forum... Can´t remember though. Someone made a picture with three dozen B-17s on it... I bet someone will answer your question shortly...

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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 8:53:06 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 8:54:08 PM   
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Feinder seems to be right...

here´s another shot...





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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 9:13:49 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 9:25:25 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 9:30:31 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 9:55:02 PM   
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I wonder what happens to that airfield after a large storm comes through.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 9:59:22 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 10:02:09 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 10:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recall reading an article that it actually was bigger than that little spit that you see in the photo, during WW2.  Naturally, it was bit of land and surrouding shallows.  During the war, they built it up quite a bit, and created the AF.  It was also -maintained-.  However, the "normal" state of erosion has melted away pretty much everything but the runway.  I doubt the fully operational island was very much to begin with, but the picture of just the runway is a little misleading.

If you pull up pics of Baker (max AF-4) and Canton (max AF-5) islands in WitP (everybody's PBEM favorites), they're (also) quite tiny.
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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 10:15:11 PM   
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Looks like a good place for digging in a reinforced division and a couple of squadrons of twin engined torpedo bombers


You may laugh but check this out

http://grafx.letarc.net/ffsavion/c123wide.jpg

Someone might be able to help me out here, but wasn't there also some underground barracks?

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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 10:23:14 PM   
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French frigate Shoals.....

I understand that the native gooney birds petitioned to have the name changed to "Freedom Frigate Shoals" a couple of years ago - but the idea was apparently dropped....

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RE: Mystery land - 6/20/2007 11:39:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: qgaliana

Looks like a good place for digging in a reinforced division and a couple of squadrons of twin engined torpedo bombers


You may laugh but check this out

http://grafx.letarc.net/ffsavion/c123wide.jpg

Someone might be able to help me out here, but wasn't there also some underground barracks?

Complete with scuba gear and acquarium.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 7:33:47 AM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 4:22:48 PM   
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Looks like a good place for digging in a reinforced division and a couple of squadrons of twin engined torpedo bombers


You may laugh but check this out

http://grafx.letarc.net/ffsavion/c123wide.jpg

Someone might be able to help me out here, but wasn't there also some underground barracks?


No doubt the runway is huge, but the hangar space leaves something to be desired. At least the gun emplacements will have good sitelines.

Seriously, not trying to restart a brouhaha over WITP mechanics. I've seen these pictures before and they're pretty cool - I'd prefer to appreciate the real life challenges of running a station on a tiny spit of sand.

You can see from the square corners how the landing strip is longer than the original land mass. Given enough fill, concrete and some heavy equipment they can build islands (I live near one). With proper precautions you can dig below the water table. But it's not a trivial task. Cost-benefit ratio puts this sort of project mostly in the hands of experimental science, desperate militaries, or mad visionaries.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 5:12:13 PM   
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I suspect that mad visionaries describes just about everyone here.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 5:18:18 PM   
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French Frigate Shoals... between Hawaii and Midway. In WITP could be used for 150 AC before overcrowding...


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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 5:19:47 PM   
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French Frigate Shoals... between Hawaii and Midway. In WITP could be used for 150 AC before overcrowding...


Actually, I think it's an AF-0(1), which means you can build it to an AF-4, 200 aircraft, without over-crowding...


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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 5:26:20 PM   
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French Frigate Shoals... between Hawaii and Midway. In WITP could be used for 150 AC before overcrowding...


Actually, I think it's an AF-0(1), which means you can build it to an AF-4, 200 aircraft, without over-crowding...


-F-


I think that is completely realistic.....if you stack them just right, there would be no problem getting 200 planes on that airstrip. Of course, the planes would probably still have to be in crates and then you would also have to figure out where to put the 4 Divisions of Infantry.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 5:29:34 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 5:43:49 PM   
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lol @ Feinder who I thought was exasparated instead of taking an actual guess

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 6:25:54 PM   
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I recall reading an article that it actually was bigger than that little spit that you see in the photo, during WW2.  Naturally, it was bit of land and surrouding shallows.  During the war, they built it up quite a bit, and created the AF.  It was also -maintained-.  However, the "normal" state of erosion has melted away pretty much everything but the runway.  I doubt the fully operational island was very much to begin with, but the picture of just the runway is a little misleading.

If you pull up pics of Baker (max AF-4) and Canton (max AF-5) islands in WitP (everybody's PBEM favorites), they're (also) quite tiny.
-F-


For comparison, Canton Island is about 9 square km. Baker Island is about 1.6 square km. Tern Island (the airstrip in the picture) is about 0.1 square km. Total land area of French Frigate Shoals is about 0.25 square km, spread out over about a dozen islets, of which Tern is the largest.

The engineers had to expand Tern Island to put a 3,300 ft runway there. It was used as an emergency landing strip for flights between Oahu and Midway. I doubt that it was ever an operational base.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 7:31:52 PM   
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French Frigate Shoals... between Hawaii and Midway. In WITP could be used for 150 AC before overcrowding...


Actually, I think it's an AF-0(1), which means you can build it to an AF-4, 200 aircraft, without over-crowding...


-F-

I wonder how long it would take....I have been building an airfield at Tori Shima for over 3 years and it is still not level 3.....plenty of supplies and construction crews....

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 8:16:38 PM   
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I wonder how long it would take....I have been building an airfield at Tori Shima for over 3 years and it is still not level 3.....plenty of supplies and construction crews....


It doesn't take THAT long if you're US in 1943. I built up FFS to AF-4(1) in about a month using 20 or so SeaBee units and an HQ (I also expanded the port 4(1)). He owns Midway (hopefully, not for much longer), and FFS and Lazy-Anne will aid in that endeavor. Lazy-Anne is a 0(0) at start, and even with 20+ ENGs it's taking a while (not even a 1 yet), in fact, I doubt I'll bother completing the Lazy-Anne AF anyway.

You get a LOT of SeaBees, it becomes a matter of just having them build/expand SOMETHING, ANYTHING, just to keep them busy.

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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 9:44:33 PM   
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I wonder what happens to that airfield after a large storm comes through


The Coast Guard LORAN A Station washed away once subsequent to WWII...not sure exactly when

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Within the Coast Guard, French Frigate Shoals was the ultimate isolated duty, often referred to when threats were made to ship someone to the middle of nowhere


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RE: Mystery land - 6/21/2007 10:26:04 PM   
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RE: Mystery land - 6/30/2007 12:57:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		My father passed through Johnston coming and going from the war zone.  I believe he said it was L shaped at the time with the runway on one arm of the L and aircraft parked on the other.  The mess hall was right next to the runway and you had to eat holding down your plate with one hand.  Otherwise the vibrations from landing and taking off planes would dump your dinner on the floor.

Wake Island got hit with a massive typhoon last year.  http://www.keepingapace.com/blogarchives/air_force/wake_island_typhoon_damage_assessment.php

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