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New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 8:06:42 AM   
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Greetings, did the ASW routine changed (tweaked) in recent patch. Noticed that is almost impossible to get direcet hit on sub - even when you score direct hit i got message "submarine takes water" and in combat report there is no fires reported. I did carefully watch only Japanese ASW, but can confirm that Allied ASW is not so efficient as it was before...or is it only my imagination?

Here are some recent encounters:

Sub attack at 62,44

Japanese Ships
MSW W.30
MSW W.29
APD APD-36
APD APD-1
APD APD-34
APD APD-31

Allied Ships
SS Flounder, hits 18

ASW attack at 20,31

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Farenholt
DD Barton
DD Bagley
DD Helm
DD Craven
DD Lang
DD Chew
MSW Ballarat
AK Empire Carpenter
AK Empire Harmony
AK St. Quentin
AK Samarinda
AK Empire Bunting
AK Empire Strength
AK Laida
AP Empress of Asia
AK Gideon Welles
AK R. C. Brennan
AK S. Hall Young

ASW attack near Bankha at 20,47

Japanese Ships
SS I-44, hits 5

Allied Ships
DD MacDonough
DD Caldwell

ASW attack at 27,50

Japanese Ships
DD Nowaki
DD Harusame
DD Karukaya
DD Fuyo

Allied Ships
SS Dorado, hits 3

Sub attack at 23,38

Japanese Ships
SS I-37, hits 7, on fire

Allied Ships
AK Edgar Allan Poe, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Farenholt
DD Barton
DD Bagley
DD Helm
DD Craven
DD Lang
DD Chew
MSW Ballarat
AK City of Manchester
AK Charles Lummis


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported

SW attack at 26,50

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio
PC Shonon Maru #15
PC Shonon Maru #11
PC Ch 5
PC Showa Maru #3
PC Ch 14
PC Ch 8

Allied Ships
SS Skate, hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

ASW attack at 26,47

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 2
PC Ch 20
PC Ch 7
APD APD-32
APD APD-38
PG Shoei Maru
DD Sawakaze

Allied Ships
SS Paddle, hits 13

ASW attack at 26,49

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio
PC Shonon Maru #15
PC Shonon Maru #11
PC Ch 5

Allied Ships
SS Bonefish, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage - SINKS

ASW attack at 25,49

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio
PC Shonon Maru #15
PC Shonon Maru #11
PC Ch 5
PC Showa Maru #3
PC Ch 14
PC Ch 8

Allied Ships
SS Steelhead, hits 3

ASW attack at 49,46

Japanese Ships
PC Aguni
PC Miyake
DD Natsugumo
PG Shotoku Maru
PG Zuiko Maru
PG Shosei Maru
APD APD-37

Allied Ships
SS Picuda, hits 10

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Sub attack near Bankha at 20,47

Japanese Ships
SS I-2, hits 6, on fire

Allied Ships
BB Colorado
DD MacDonough
DD Caldwell

ASW attack at 62,46

Japanese Ships
MSW Wa 106
MSW Wa 107
MSW Bisan Maru
PC Kurahashi
DD Matsu

Allied Ships
SS Batfish, hits 10


ASW attack at 43,48

Japanese Ships
MSW W.4
MSW W.7
PG Kyo Maru #8
PC Hirado
PC Kanju
PG Kamitsu Maru
PG Saga
PG Oi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Rock, hits 3

ASW attack at 52,44

Japanese Ships
MSW W.30
MSW W.29
APD APD-36
APD APD-1
APD APD-34
APD APD-31

Allied Ships
SS Bashaw, hits 9, on fire, heavy damage - she was already damaged before....

Well, it could be my impression but Jap asw forces doesn't hit enemy subs directly so often as it was before, while Jap subs now can survive allied ASW attack even against decent ASW TF...




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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 8:07:42 AM   
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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 8:08:55 AM   
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hm, i know that but never noticed such tweaking until last three week (in the game)...

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 8:09:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pauk


hm, i know that but never noticed such tweaking until last three week (in the game)...

Perhaps the last patch put it into effect in old games?

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 8:39:51 AM   
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could be...does other have similar impressions?

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 9:03:18 AM   
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4)       Anti-submarine attack routines have been rewritten.  Now, seldom will more than 4 ASW vessels normally attack a submarine during a single phase (although many may search).  Number of attacking ships depends on task force type, ships types and lots of skill rolls.  Instead of each ship making one or two attacks, they may now sometimes continue to attack until out of ASW ammunition.  Number of attacks made depend on task force type, ships types and lots of skill rolls.  Hits are now deadly much less often, usually doing a point or two of system damage and or occasionally a point or so of flood damage.

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 9:34:36 AM   
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Perhaps i wasn't clear in my post... i'm talking what i've noticed in last three week game period...even after i've patched to 1.8 which was few months ago IIRC, i didn't notice such (BIG) changes... now, Andrew started new sub campaign recently. Before that i was able to deal with his subs more easily and my subs usually sinks after first or second encounter (or they had bigger damage level after attack, at least)

So, is it possible that in very last patch (1.806) ASW routine is tweaked once again or it is just my impression (likely)?

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 12:17:36 PM   
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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 12:23:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Speedy

No Pauk. You're just being a dumbass

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 1:03:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Speedy

No Pauk. You're just being a dumbass



Personal attack! Ban him, ban!

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 2:01:55 PM   
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Seriously, I haven't seen/heard of any differences in he ASW routines for the latest patch.

You're still a dumbass though.

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/4/2007 11:17:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pauk


Perhaps i wasn't clear in my post... i'm talking what i've noticed in last three week game period...even after i've patched to 1.8 which was few months ago IIRC, i didn't notice such (BIG) changes... now, Andrew started new sub campaign recently. Before that i was able to deal with his subs more easily and my subs usually sinks after first or second encounter (or they had bigger damage level after attack, at least)

So, is it possible that in very last patch (1.806) ASW routine is tweaked once again or it is just my impression (likely)?

Well, "recent" can be a very relative thing. I'm not aware of any announced changes to ASW combat in 1.806, but that doesn't mean that something didn't impinge on it. However, I suspect that it is much more likely that you simply didn't notice the change until a few weeks ago.

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/5/2007 2:46:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pauk


Perhaps i wasn't clear in my post... i'm talking what i've noticed in last three week game period...even after i've patched to 1.8 which was few months ago IIRC, i didn't notice such (BIG) changes... now, Andrew started new sub campaign recently. Before that i was able to deal with his subs more easily and my subs usually sinks after first or second encounter (or they had bigger damage level after attack, at least)

So, is it possible that in very last patch (1.806) ASW routine is tweaked once again or it is just my impression (likely)?


Michael Wood rewrote the ASW routines for WPO. These were ported over to WITP via beta releases 1.7.x.y and ultimately via production release 1.8.0.0

Subsequently there have been no changes to the ASW routines.



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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/5/2007 5:23:25 PM   
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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/5/2007 5:35:09 PM   
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another personal attack! Ban him - ban forever this Jamie Oliver look a like creature

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/5/2007 5:35:29 PM   
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and of course, thanks Joe!

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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/5/2007 5:41:38 PM   
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RE: New ASW routine? - 7/5/2007 7:50:37 PM   
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ok, herr Jamie! Just done!

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