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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 4:23:13 AM   
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The command point issue is one reason why I have not yet made many divisions.  A general who only has 2 points, when made a division commander, then does not have enough cp to actviate the division, which requires 4 points.   When I find an army commander who actually activates, I will probably start to put my command structure together. 

The rebs have fewer troops, but their generals activate more often.

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 5:56:02 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 6:00:08 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 6:05:52 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 6:16:09 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 6:25:24 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 6:37:59 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 6:38:32 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 7:22:53 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 4:56:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seydlitz,

Thanks a million for all of the hard work. I think I speak for many in appreciating the posts. I'm running a campaign of my own, roughly at the same pace as yours. The temptation is there, as it was historically, to move on Richmond right away, but it's going to be a long war with most of the action in the west.

I'm using a system I devised for WITP in which I break down the turns on a sheet of graph paper. The different "phases" (financial, reinforcement/replacement, etc.) are listed along the top, with the turns running down the side. I go through each phase methodically in each theater before finishing the turn. It seems very easy to skip phases and/or areas without a systematic approach.

As for the cavalry raids: there are far too many, in my opinion. In early attempts at campaigns I saw rebel raiders capture Great Lake ports. I think that's a bit ahistorical, although my fault in the game. I live in Missouri, where guerilla activity was rampant, but I think that most of the raids were strictly hit-and-run affairs .

Lyon is the all-star so far, having captured Rolla and Jefferson City. I think he would have attained Army command had he lived. (I visit Wilson's Creek every now and then, where Lyon was killed in August 1861.) Most of the other Union generals will not move for anything. That should change by '62 -- I HOPE!

Thanks again for the updates. They have helped me a great deal. This game is what a lot of us have been waiting for, and I think that a few tweaks will make it even better.

Dave

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 5:42:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		So you are going into battles with mostly "indie" commanders or even leaderless ones and absorb the out of command penalties as opposed to haveing your troops inactive due to the poor command?
Interesting...

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 7:53:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

Am I the only one who is starting to feel that "raiding" is shaping up as an ahistorically large portion of this game?



Hey Mike, another old WITP type goes ACW to I see .....

I think the problem is they tend to go too deep and to fast per turn. I had a Raider capture Chicago one Game

It needs some fine tunning.

However, after _ many hours_ with the Union I`ve come to realize that if the AGEOD Guys are going to stay historical with the timeline as well as the CSA order of battle, you have to have some game device to slow the Union down, especially in the West. If you max out the USA money, they can raise so many units they will just overrun the South West in 1862, so the raids serve the purpose of deverting units and repairing rails and the Union raising mostly Cav.

It could be fine tunned a bit and I think they are looking at it. It`s really the best Game I`ve played since the original War In Russia & WITP by Garry G. More important from their posts on their Forums, the AGEOD guys understand that the core of the Game is playing against the AI, and I don`t think we will see the screwing of the historical aspect of the Game for PBEM types as happened with the Matrix WITP.

Just IMO and regards.

Rich L. AKA Black Cat

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 7:59:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seydlitz

Tomorrow I will recap my orders and builds.



Thanks for the great AAR, playing along with you I think early on you need to buy a lot of Cav. in the West to run the raiders down.

They will get to the Great Lakes, and swing North East before you can get a militia unit in each city.

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/11/2007 10:10:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard III


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Am I the only one who is starting to feel that "raiding" is shaping up as an ahistorically large portion of this game?


I think the problem is they tend to go too deep and to fast per turn. I had a Raider capture Chicago one Game
Rich L. AKA Black Cat



Just from what I've seen here, I'd say "Too Deep, Too Many, Too Often, & Too Effective". I understand the need to reproduce the Union's "Feet of Clay" to some extent (though it looks like "inactive" Generals are doing a pretty good job), but I hope the can find a less "offensive" method to do it. Maybe larger garrison requirements to soak up some of the excess manpower.

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/13/2007 5:28:07 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/13/2007 5:59:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		very nice, look forward to some more seydlitz.
I've been primarily spending my time learning the mechanics and developing my organization of the army.
I have not really spent much time with my Union Navy, that will come later on as I continue to prod through the immense depth of this great game.

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 11:26:49 AM   
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No builds this turn so money can build up.
Orders consisted primarily of moving more militia around to guard interior lines against cav raids across the front, and of moving Lyons one territory west towards Jeff City.  I also ordered 3 more blockade squadrons to the Gulf, and began moving naval transports to Washington DC.  One of my naval Monitors has been ordered to Hampton ROads with instructions to bombard Norfolk.

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 11:52:40 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 11:57:35 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 6:09:17 PM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 6:16:49 PM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 6:29:42 PM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 6:36:09 PM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/14/2007 6:52:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		For builds,  I continue my strategy of naval build up.  I order up 4 blockade flotillas from New England, and 4 river ironclads in Ohio.  I also order one supply wagon for Missouri, and 2 cavalary units each for Maryland and Pennsylvannia.

That leaves  me a balance of $131, 287 manpower, and 16 war supplies.

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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/15/2007 1:02:06 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/15/2007 1:19:22 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/15/2007 1:26:15 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/15/2007 1:36:39 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/15/2007 1:48:14 AM   
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RE: Learning as USA..An open Discussion AAR on the Apri... - 7/15/2007 5:37:55 PM   
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