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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 7:41:15 PM   
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Invading sovereign territory of a NATO member seems like a good idea. Go ahead and try it Argentina v NATO. I'm sorry but I think I am going to take NATO. maybee yall could try and get columbia to help you.


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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 7:48:39 PM   
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..nooo, of course not..

..withdrawing the few remaining military units was an accident..

..at a time when the Argentinians were doing alota mouthing off..even more so..

..did i mention the hot lead ?..


Yer not taking into account Hanlon's Razor.


..oh no, stupidty was not her problem..

..being born in the Grantham lower-middle class might have been..

..i lived with one for some years...baaaddd idea, tho good learning exercise, at least she was a socialist..same problems tho...


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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 7:50:35 PM   
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A bit of class sobbery always helps.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 8:36:35 PM   
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..being born in the Grantham lower-middle class might have been..

A bit of class sobbery always helps.


..especially if daddy was President..

..don'tcha jus' luvvv non-"heriditory" monarchies..

..sigghhhh..

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 10:13:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: a white rabbit

..i know, how dare he offer an opposing point of view..



He can say whatever he likes about his fascist and jingoistic causes - and then I will call bullshit on them.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 11:16:31 PM   
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Back in the early 90's whn I was stationed at Bragg---we had a gent come to our brigade that had joined the Army & stated he was former brit citizen/para. Stated he had been and infantryman/bagpiper for his regt and was at the Falklands. Question for any of the Britts out there----Do the para/regt's still do this? As far as after getting in the area, forming up, and starting the slog, --are their still pipers in certain situations other then ceremonial?? (meaning-jumping in, assembl'g, then starting the march to the pipes)


As a side note---got to have some contact with some British paras back then who had come to Bragg for exchange training----Came across as very serious, professional & a unit I wouldn't want to mess with. Now the Aussie paras---some wild partiers-at least the few I met.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/9/2007 11:43:00 PM   
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..errr, noooo, the Falklands war began when a Facist (sooooRRyyyy) Conservative mad -person*, elected only because of a flawed electoral system, decided to rig a war with an easily defeatable opponent for who-the-fk-knows what reason..


Of course, the great conspiracy theory. Goodbye.

It's amazing how high your appetite for trolling is, even attempting to bring Iraq into the picture. Bored at home?

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 9:58:33 AM   
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Came across as very serious, professional & a unit I wouldn't want to mess with.


Have you read "Green Eyed Boys" (Re 3 Para at Mt Longdon)

I doubt that there would be very many infantry formations in the world capable of winning that battle - with little artillery/air support and no tanks - it was pure guts and fighting ability.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 3:12:51 PM   
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sprior-I'm not your mate...


Oh really...why not? And this whole time I was thinking I was going to get a fair and impartial opinion concerning a matter of British foreign policy from a Yank.

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7th Somersets-Some people are incapable of learning anything from history...


Certainly. Like some right radicals on this thread. When a British colonial possesion become unprofitable for them they leave. Look at this history. Then put 1 and 1 together and tell me what you think the final chapter is going to read on the Malvinas.

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bobogoboom-UN is retarded. international law is a joke anyways.


Not even worth an intelligent comment from me.

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bobogoboom-Invading sovereign territory...


Well you right about this. Invading soverign territory is bad, as is invading another countrys airspace. Bad...very bad...an unjust thing. That's why the Brits need to take their Tornados back to to the UK where they belong and out of our airspace.

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B/snafu-Not getting into the history/politics discourse--but as far as tactics....


Now this is something good. I want to try to clear up a situation between the Brits about the fighting in 82ī

When the British were unloading their troops and we bombed them the 1st day many of the bombs didnīt explode. This was reported on the BBC. The next day Argentina bombed again and all the bombs exploded I think. The British were angry because they believed/believe Argentina heard the original BBC broadcast and changed the bomb fuses.

This is not true and the people from that Squadron that did the bombing will tell you it's not true.

Many of these people are still alive and some of
them active on Argentine forums. They give out their
e-mails to some and speak. Offer their insight and so on. So just to clear that up for my British friends about bombs and the BBC. The BBC broadcast had no bearing on bombs exploding when you were unloading.

One of those people from that group kept a diary as the war went on and I have translated his entry on the Belgrano sinking. It is here...

02-MAY-82: A BLACK DAY FOR OUR COUNTRY, THE PIRATES HIT US HARD

No one is happy and no one knows what the effect will
be with the first successful attack going to the English fleet. We have heard the news that an English submarine, the Conqueror, torpedoed with MK8
torpedoes the cruiser Belgrano and caused terrible
damage. In half an hour she sunk.

This attack happened outside the 200 nautical mile
exclusion zone-we protested to the OAS (Organization of American States) that the British were not respecting this zone. The number of lives lost was 323 Argentine sailors.

This type of news makes us think about the seriousness of the war, of the pirates and how we feel about the English. Definetely gone are our thoughts and wishes for a diplomatic solution.













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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 3:25:05 PM   
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That's why the Brits need to take their Tornados back to to the UK


Ike99 - I think that you may get your wish here... people should be careful what they wish for...




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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 3:26:28 PM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 3:33:38 PM   
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..oh no, stupidty was not her problem..


Smart people can also make stupid mistakes - just look at the McCanns (if their story is true) leaving their three children alone in a house while they go out for dinner. Sympathetic sure (again if their story is true) but sympathy only goes so far.

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When the British were unloading their troops and we bombed them the 1st day many of the bombs didnīt explode. This was reported on the BBC. The next day Argentina bombed again and all the bombs exploded I think. The British were angry because they believed/believe Argentina heard the original BBC broadcast and changed the bomb fuses.

This is not true and the people from that Squadron that did the bombing will tell you it's not true.

Many of these people are still alive and some of
them active on Argentine forums. They give out their
e-mails to some and speak. Offer their insight and so on. So just to clear that up for my British friends about bombs and the BBC. The BBC broadcast had no bearing on bombs exploding when you were unloading.


Whether the Argentinians heard it or not doesn't matter. What does matter is that giving out information that can be helpful to the enemy in a time of war can and does get your people killed and is treason.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 3:34:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ike99


Well you right about this. Invading soverign territory is bad, as is invading another countrys airspace. Bad...very bad...an unjust thing. That's why the Brits need to take their Tornados back to to the UK where they belong and out of our airspace.



I think you will find that you're chaps need to take their 'planes out of our airspace. As the Falklands are internationally recognised as British sovereign territory the airspace above them is ours too.
Unless you are implying that the Tornadoes are flying over Buenos Aires from the islands?

As for the Belgrano sinking, there is no point persisting with the arguement that it is some kind of war crime.




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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 3:35:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never ever ever heard of somebody complaining that their warship was sunk by the enemy and calling them cheaters. That 'exclusion zone' stuff was a load of bollocks to begin with.

Hell, the Argentinians sunk a british cargo ship outside of the 'exclusion zone' but I don't hear any British complaining about it or calling it a warcrime.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 4:11:38 PM   
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When I was in the Falklands in 1985, there was a guy there from Buckie, in Scotland called, erm.....Buckie. He took me down Stanley one evening for a few jars of the old amber nectar (I cannot for the life of me remember what Penguin Beer tasted like...suffice it to say it wasn't very appealing to the taste buds.)

Anyway, we were going down Stanley. There were 3 pubs in Stanley (I think only 3) and I cannot remember the names of them. But there was a big hill in Stanley going down to the jetty and half way (or so) down this hill was one of the pubs. The second (Penguin Arms??) was at the bottom of the hill on the right and the third was...somewhere.

anyway, we got to the top of the hill and the road was covered in ice. I was like "I aint going down there". Well, it was Buckies second tour...and he had a novel way of getting down to the pub. He said "Squat down and slide, as you get near, just grab hold of the fence and you'll swing in". Well I was like "Go on then, hero"....so he did.

I've never seen anything so elegant. Clearly he had practiced this maneuver. Now, being as I had had a few sherberts before, I wasn't thinking "Yeah, but he's practiced that!....I was thinking "Hey...that's easy peasy lemon squeezy"....so off I go.

Except I was nowhere near the fence...and not getting any closer...I ended up I clipped a boulder of somesort and went crashing into someones fence....well past the pub. Did untold damage to the fence and knocked a tooth out.

Very dangerous place, The Falklands

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 4:39:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ike99

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ORIGINAL: Ike99
Unless of course we killed 2 of our own pilots during the conflict so we could say we attacked Invincible.

Why not? You threw people out of planes into the sea.


70,000
(Cough cough)
Iraqis dead
(Cough cough)
to
(Cough cough)
ĻfreeĻ them
(Cough cough)
aka steal oil
(Cough cough)

So spare me the morality lecture mate.




How many Germans died before they were freed from the stranglehold of a military dictatorship they had allowed to take them over?

How many Japanese died before they were freed from the stranglehold of a military oligarchy they had allowed to take them over?

I never cease to be amazed by how thoroughly clueless people who play military strategy games can actual be about military strategy.

It is understandable for the average non-military history oriented village idiot walking the streets to be clueless regarding military strategy. For the same to be said about people who profess an interest in, and a knowledge of military strategy to be just as cluless is just plain sad.

"Freeing" the Iraqis and dealing with the "threat" of WMDs were never, NEVER anything more than pretexts for a necessary military strategy. Anyone with more than three functional brain cells and even the most rudimentary knowledge of military strategy knows this to be self evident. The constant "moralizing" of those who bear grudges against, or suffer from envy of, the United States of America attempting to "rub our noses" in the inherent untruth behind those publicly professed "reasons" for the invasion only succeed in casting a spotlight on their own gullibility and lack of understanding.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 5:05:33 PM   
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Judge Dredd-The second (Penguin Arms??) was at the bottom of the hill on the right and the third was...somewhere.


Speaking of Penquins and the Malvinas....






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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 5:08:31 PM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 5:53:51 PM   
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See, they even had to restrain the penguins!








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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 6:29:02 PM   
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See, they even had to restrain the penguins!


Well, penguins can be vicious if not restrained...

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 6:31:00 PM   
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Well, penguins can be vicious if not restrained...


Finally - we get back to the subject matter of the thread! 

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 6:33:56 PM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 6:37:13 PM   
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It must be embarrassing for an army to be attacked by vicious waterfowl...


And it took 5 of them to capture him...

It is also against the Geneva Convention to parade POWs.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 6:38:06 PM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 7:01:31 PM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 10:16:43 PM   
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See, they even had to restrain the penguins!









I've heard of choking a chiken before but a Penguin ???

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/10/2007 11:50:04 PM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/11/2007 6:04:50 AM   
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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/11/2007 8:22:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		This sort of bully-boy, Argie behaviour drove more and more penguins to join the resistance. Also, the vast majority of penguins practised passive resistance by pretending not to understand instructions, going fishing instead of building fortifications and causing several nasty sprains by crapping all over the rocks to make them slippery.

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RE: The Falklands Conflict - 8/11/2007 9:08:48 AM   
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Sprior-Nobody here has ever said the FAA din't try and sink the Invincible.


Yes they did. Here is Dixies comment....

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Dixie-I could claim to be Lord Lucan, it doesn't make it so...Here's some authentic Argie footage of the attack.


BTW Dixie the last comment on that page is in english and says....

ĻThe propaganda of English is still worse than that of the Argentinian Generals of the time. Everyone knows now that the Invincible had been seriously struck.Ļ


And here is a modern video of some of the ĻchimpanzeesĻ training you boys are up against with the largest airforce south of Texas in this ongoing conflict.

Hmmm...maybe it was some of these ĻchimpanzeesĻ who overflew the Malvinas (british admitted) last year that you Brits couldnīt catch in your Tornados.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jBKoP1rPkM









Ok, just watched that video. Pretty decent. Maybe you could loan it to the RCAF for recruiting purposes? ( for any who may wonder, I haven't seen a REAL recruiting ad in a long time. But hey, it IS Canada we talking about)
Still, gotta wonder, pretty old jets there...Whatever happened to your Mirage 2000s?

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