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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 6:44:40 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 6:48:06 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 7:00:26 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 7:01:57 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 7:03:38 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 8:42:12 PM   
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a PAK (calibre?), maybe he was an AT-Gunner.


Looks like a Czech 47mm ATG - tho, I could be wrong...

BTW - Wildflecken is the only place in the FRG where it was 75F every place else, but you were cold there. Every time we were deployed there to train, it was muddy, rainy, and almost God-forsaken... gloomy comes to mind.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/27/2007 11:26:11 PM   
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Telumar -
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a PAK (calibre?), maybe he was an AT-Gunner.


Looks like a Czech 47mm ATG - tho, I could be wrong...

BTW - Wildflecken is the only place in the FRG where it was 75F every place else, but you were cold there. Every time we were deployed there to train, it was muddy, rainy, and almost God-forsaken... gloomy comes to mind.

Reminds me of Harry Potter's Dementors


God, I hated Wildflecken (we called it "Wild Chicken"). It's a German training area now, since we closed our presences down in 1994.



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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/28/2007 2:04:03 PM   
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A french tank, is it a Char B1 bis?


THAT is a Char Lourd 2C. Only eight were active in the campaign, and did not fight, so it's actually quite an unusual sight. Also I believe the heaviest tank in service with the Western Allies during the war, at a whopping 69 tons.

Number 91 is Provence. Along with 7 of the 8 it was scuttled to avoid capture.

EDIT: here is a view from the other side, presumably in the same location (you can see some of the same poles in both pictures);
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/Fra-Char2C-Destroyed.jpg

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/28/2007 3:15:39 PM   
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A french tank, is it a Char B1 bis?


THAT is a Char Lourd 2C. Only eight were active in the campaign, and did not fight, so it's actually quite an unusual sight. Also I believe the heaviest tank in service with the Western Allies during the war, at a whopping 69 tons.

Number 91 is Provence. Along with 7 of the 8 it was scuttled to avoid capture.

EDIT: here is a view from the other side, presumably in the same location (you can see some of the same poles in both pictures);
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/Fra-Char2C-Destroyed.jpg


Wow. What a surprise! And what a monster! Looks much bigger on the pic you posted. Feel free to save the image to your HD.

Do you know anything about the location or the circumstances under which these tanks fell in german hands?

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/28/2007 4:59:29 PM   
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Do you know anything about the location or the circumstances under which these tanks fell in german hands?


This page;
http://www.1939-45.org/articles/fcm2c3.htm

Gives the location of the tanks when they were scuttled;
"Arrivés à l'entrée du village de Meuse, à une dizaine de kilomètres à l'ouest de Bourbonne-les-Bains, les deux trains portant les engins du 51e BCC sont bloqués dans une courbe en déblai de la voie ferrée par un convoi en flamme."

If you look on google maps you can see the rail line which runs west of the town. 10. Panzer Regiment of 8. Panzer ran across the tanks somewhat later. Quite how your relative fits into this isn't clear. 169. Infanterie was part of 16. Armee at this time, which did pass through the identified area. It was probably clearing an area after the panzertruppen had passed on.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/28/2007 5:56:03 PM   
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Do you know anything about the location or the circumstances under which these tanks fell in german hands?


This page;
http://www.1939-45.org/articles/fcm2c3.htm

Gives the location of the tanks when they were scuttled;
"Arrivés à l'entrée du village de Meuse, à une dizaine de kilomètres à l'ouest de Bourbonne-les-Bains, les deux trains portant les engins du 51e BCC sont bloqués dans une courbe en déblai de la voie ferrée par un convoi en flamme."

If you look on google maps you can see the rail line which runs west of the town. 10. Panzer Regiment of 8. Panzer ran across the tanks somewhat later. Quite how your relative fits into this isn't clear. 169. Infanterie was part of 16. Armee at this time, which did pass through the identified area. It was probably clearing an area after the panzertruppen had passed on.


Thanks Ben, btw, i remember a photo that showed some disabled french tanks in the open, but this is probably still at my mother's home.

I don't know if he was in the 169th, it was just an assumption based on the fact that he was on the Wildflecken in the Winter 39/40. But it would fit.

EDIT: Looking at three other pics it would fit with the area the 169. was sent to. One pic with a destroyed bridge across a big river, probably the Rhine, in the Freiburg/Breisgau area, a pontoon bridge across it and a destroyed village with a road sign showing the direction to "Mühlheim".

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 8/28/2007 8:15:42 PM   
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A french tank, is it a Char B1 bis?


THAT is a Char Lourd 2C. Only eight were active in the campaign, and did not fight, so it's actually quite an unusual sight. Also I believe the heaviest tank in service with the Western Allies during the war, at a whopping 69 tons.

Number 91 is Provence. Along with 7 of the 8 it was scuttled to avoid capture.

EDIT: here is a view from the other side, presumably in the same location (you can see some of the same poles in both pictures);
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/france/Fra-Char2C-Destroyed.jpg


Quite a beast!

Thanks for the ID Ben.

Thanks for the photos Telumar.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/1/2007 6:55:34 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/1/2007 8:14:25 PM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/1/2007 8:16:51 PM   
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Junior Leaders Regiment Royal Engineers 1986 to 1987 based at Dover Kent

3 Training Regiment RE until early 1988 at Camberly Surrey

Then over to BAOR posted to 32 Armoured Engineer Regiment based at Munster Lager spent my time there with 6 troop 31 sqn where we generaly supported the 11th and 20th Armoured Bdes posted from BAOR back to UK 1991.

Served with Allied Command Europe mobile force attatched to the Duke of Wellingtons Regiment then posted to 22 Engineer Regiment at Tidworth Garrison initially with 8 Field Sqn RE then 8 Armd Engr Sqn when the regiment reroled to close support.

Finnished my time with CATC BG at warminster where i live now left the forces in 1997.

Liked the photos unfortunatly all my grandads photos were destroyed always remember one where he was sat on the barrel of a captured coastal gun somwhere near the d day beaches he was one of the first ashore 3rd Division i think,my grandparants never realy spoke about the war.
My other grandad was a profesional soldier joined as a boy soldier in 1937 they told him he would travel and he certainly did western desert,sicily then later to Italy until VE.
Sent to Palastine in 1947 until discharge,then called up for Korea but stayed in UK as an instructor.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/2/2007 12:59:39 AM   
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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/2/2007 1:25:04 AM   
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Okay, how do I insert an image into my post? I've tried several way, to include the buttons, but it doesn't work.....



Small files can be uploaded to the Matrix site. Don't use quick reply, use the normal reply. Directly below the text box, on the left side you can click to upload a file and check the box 'Embed picture in post'

The photos i posted were too big for an upload. I uploaded them to http://www.imageshack.us and used the direct link url to embed it as an image. On imageshack, mark and copy the 'direct link url' you receive for your image. In the forum, when in the post new message window, click image from the boxes above the text box and paste your url.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/2/2007 12:21:21 PM   
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My Papa's father (my great-grandfather on my mom's side) joined the Northern Cyclist Battalion in Berwick when WW1 broke out in 1914. His unit never left England as a whole, but he was called up to be sent to France as a replacement after the fateful attack by allied forces on 1 July 1916. He was assigned to the 21st Battalion of the Northumberland Fusiliers (aka the 2nd Battalion of the Tyneside Scottish Brigade), 34th Division. He was first on the line in the Lille sector (Armentierres) from July 1916 to February 1917. They then moved to the Arras sector, and he was in the line there until September 1917, when they were moved down to the Villeret lines (just north of St Quentin) for a surprise attack on the German lines. He was severely wounded here, and was sent back to England for treatment of his wounds. He lost an eye and was partially blinded in the other. He was then sent back to France after the Germans attacked in March 1918. He was assigned to the Queen's Westminster Rifles of the 16th London Brigade, 56th Division, and was just in the lines when 5 German divisions attacked the Arras lines in the Battle of Gavrelle (the British units destroyed the 5 German divisions, and the held the line, although the lines bent.....but never broke, thus saving Arras). He was wounded again in July 1918 during a trench raid, and then he was fatally wounded on 4/5 November 1918 during the Battle of Sebourg (near Vallenciennes). He was taken to the 1st Casualty Clearing Station in Cambrai, and this is where he died on 6 November 1918. He's buried in the Cambrai East Military Cemetery, plot II.A.42.


I've uploaded a picture of my great-grandfather into this post. I'll drop another one in to the next post, too.







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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/2/2007 12:23:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another one of him, as stated before. (Note that I took digital pictures of the pictures while I was visiting my parents, as I didn't want to take them....in case they got lost.)

By the way, I f*&ked up my post about my military family's history (back on page 2). Namely, I deleted everything that I wrote, except for my great-grandfather's info. I propbably know the answer to this, but is there a way to recover that?

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/2/2007 12:26:11 PM   
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PS---Vielen dank, Telumar, fuer deine Hilfe.






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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/3/2007 10:32:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		My dad was an infantryman with the 28th ID, 110th Rgt, 2nd Bn, "Easy" Co.  He landed shortly after D-Day, and was in the Hurtgen mess and got captured during the "Bulge".  In a nutshell, after being cut off his squad sacked out in the middle of a field full of "haystacks", that on closer inspection turned out to be German tents.  He passed on a few years ago.

I had a Great Uncle who served as one of Rickenbacker's mechanics, and, being afraid that he was missing all the fun while stuck in the rear, deserted to go to the front, and picked up shattered left leg and a lung full of gas as souveniers.  The gas did him in years later.

Not be outdone by the military hijinks of my near and far ancestors, I joined the Marine Reserves in 1980, and just recently retired as a Master Sergeant.  While I had some adventures, most recently in the Great EZ-Bake Oven filled with Kitty Litter, I failed miserably to equal the exploits of my relatives, who both had careers lasting a few years, in my almost three decades of service, thank God.

One thing that those of you know a relative who has served might consider, is getting them to talk about it while the camera is rolling.  I'm very glad I did that with my dad, and I think my kids will appreciate it someday. 

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/3/2007 4:30:08 PM   
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One thing that those of you know a relative who has served might consider, is getting them to talk about it while the camera is rolling.  I'm very glad I did that with my dad, and I think my kids will appreciate it someday.


When I was about twelve, my grandfather (who died in 1999) and I were left at his house while everyone else was at the shops. For nearly the whole time we were there we were sat in silence.

I'd give a lot to get that time with him back.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/3/2007 7:30:00 PM   
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One thing that those of you know a relative who has served might consider, is getting them to talk about it while the camera is rolling.  I'm very glad I did that with my dad, and I think my kids will appreciate it someday.


When I was about twelve, my grandfather (who died in 1999) and I were left at his house while everyone else was at the shops. For nearly the whole time we were there we were sat in silence.

I'd give a lot to get that time with him back.


My British grandparents wouldn't talk about WW2 at all becaus eit upset him. My grandfather lost a brother, and he would break down in tears after thinking of him. It still hurt him that badly. Now that they're gone, all of that information, as well as any other family history information, is long gone.

My uncle won't talk about his time in Vietnam at all. He did open up one, for about 10 minutes, but that was enough to scare the living crap out of me. Still, I know that it's all lost when he's gone. I hope that I can talk to him one day before that happens.


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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/7/2007 11:59:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Royal Australian Air Force as a gas turbine and aircraft technician on fighters 1997-2003. The hardest fighting was for a beer at the boozer on a busy Friday afternoon .

I got to go on quite a few back-seat rides in various fighters and flew the jet for a while on each occasion which was a lot of fun. I can highly recommend pulling sustained 6.5g turns at low level. Negative G you can keep .

This is me before a strike training mission through the Great Dividing Range. Low level pulling hard turns through valleys all the way. Then we had a weekend on the Gold Coast at taxpayers' expense before doing it again on the way home. Good times.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 9/7/2007 12:29:37 PM   
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Kameraden auf der Stube.. On the back of the photo he wrote: With comrades on the Wildflecken.






Now if I compare this to my Bundeswehr time photos it is good to see that nothing drastic has changed between 1940 and 1992 concerning R&R



On a side note, such a relaxed photo makes me really wonder who of the guys made it through the war. Probably not many of them ....


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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 1/2/2008 2:57:14 AM   
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I scored so well on the aptitude tests (not a joke) that the recruiter told me I could do just about any job, and wondered what I would like to become. So I asked the recruiter what I could do, he looked at the results and hemmed and hawed for a minute or two, and said "You could join the infantry..." (They always have a quota to fill).
And like a moron, I said 'Okay!'
(Young and dumb)
From there, I went to Cornwallis, then on to the RCR Battle School.
Did a pile of infantry training stuff, and some exercises, and after my first three years were up, I decided why should I stride when I could ride, and I transferred (re-mustered) to the Armoured Corps.
Ended up in the Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians) just in time to not be promoted or receive a pay raise for the next six or seven years.
Did some armoured training, mostly on boats (AVGP's) until we got our tanks back from Germany.
Did some tank stuff and some recce stuff and ended up in assault troop. (Back to the bloody infantry!)
Been overseas a few times:
Bosnia 93
Bosnia/Croatia 94
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Bosnia 97
Kosovo 99
Bosnia 01
Afganistan 02
Afganistan 04
Afganistan 06
Then in 2007 my magic numbers came up and I now honourably released and retired at the ripe old age of 37, with a 20 year pension.

I am now enjoying being a stay-at-home dad with my kids and letting my wife go to work. I don't feel the least bit guilty about letting others pick up the slack. We went through some hard times in the ninety's, lots of friends never came home and no one knew or even cared about it. Now its all about the news, ever since the spectacular event in New York in 2001, everybody wants to be on the 'I support (fill in the blank)' band wagon.
Am I bitter? Perhaps. I have left alot of friends in a lot of nasty places and no one even said boo. Now it's all the rage to be a supporter, so now everyone else seems to care.
Sometimes it's tough.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 1/3/2008 4:29:58 PM   
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Kameraden auf der Stube.. On the back of the photo he wrote: With comrades on the Wildflecken.





Thanks for the great photos Telmur. It's amazing how they resemble so many other non-official photos I have seen (or taken myself). Except for the uniforms, the expressions and obvious camaraderie are typical of any army at any time in history.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 1/3/2008 4:37:48 PM   
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As I do this as a kind of hobby I am happy to still be a Corporal - very little planning or responsibility - just come to work and do a job I like.

My dad was a Signals officer in the Regular Force and Reserves for 31 years. He joined a a private - went to the Congo in 1961/62, Lahr, Germany 1970-73, UK - 1974-74 and 1980-82, Augsburg, Germany - 1990-1992.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 1/20/2008 12:31:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		What a great thread! The pictures really drive home the humanization of war, and how it isnt just numbers, but people's fathers, sons, and grandfathers plus now wives and sisters and mothers. Too bad that great games such as what he have to play arent the only wars that there are to be fought.

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RE: Former MIlitary Here??? - 1/20/2008 2:02:58 AM   
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