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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/22/2008 6:39:46 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/14/42

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Sub attack at 58,92

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5031, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Scamp

Scamp sinks a fuel loaded barg off Gili Gili...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

29 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc
CL Dauntless, Shell hits 1
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae, Shell hits 14

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

aren´t my cruisers doing an excellent job??

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ASW attack at 56,47

Japanese Ships
DD Uranami
DD Shinonome
DD Yugure
DD Wakaba
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Gato

Gato gets away unspotted...

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TF 127 encounters mine field at Saipan (63,64)

Japanese Ships
PG Zuiko Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire

PG Zuiko Maru hits a sub laid MK10...

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9
TBF Avenger x 16
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 62


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 55
Port hits 4
Port supply hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 71113 troops, 898 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 96980 troops, 947 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1711



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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65329 troops, 792 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1711

Defending force 87935 troops, 971 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538


Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/23/2008 12:53:02 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/15/42

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Sub attack near Rabaul at 61,88

Japanese Ships
AK Hiyori Maru, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Nautilus

4 torps miss the heavily damaged AK!!!!

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ASW attack at 52,47

Japanese Ships
DD Uranami
DD Shinonome
DD Yugure
DD Wakaba
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Sculpin

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Sub attack at 33,50

Japanese Ships
AP Heiyo Maru
AP Aikoku Maru
DD Mutsuki
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

torps miss the big AP!!!!

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Sub attack at 53,48

Japanese Ships
DD Nenohi
DD Oboro
DD Shikinami
DD Murakumo
DD Ariake
DD Hatsuharu

Allied Ships
SS Gato

torps hit and fail to detonate!!!

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Sub attack at 33,79

Japanese Ships
DD Nagatsuki
DD Hayate
DD Yuzuki
DD Asagiri
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
SS O16

533mm torps hit and fail to detonate!!!

while I know that everything is based on die rolls in this game, I still wonder what the "developers" were thinking when setting the probabilities. Thinking , I guess they used dice to set the probabilities. What I´m seeing here is such a bull **** that I really am thinking to just stop playing this game at some point as the results seem to be so off that it´s not worth spending so much time with this "product". Let alone thinking about paying another 40$ for AE, when it is still using the same stupid coding.

How realistic are the last 20 sub attacks? It´s BS if someone thinks that this is how it was in real life. Not even nearly...

In return, of course one of my subs was again hit by a Helen on ASW patrol and 90% of all my subs were spotted by Helens...

This whole game has to be rewritten as there´s so much wrong it can´t get wronger. Once again it comes to mind that the only reason I´m spending so much time with it, is the fact that there´s no other game about this theater and it´s the only one that comes with a big OOB. And then you end up with a monopoly.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 216


No Allied losses

Runway hits 27

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack at 37,82

Japanese Ships
SS I-3

Allied Ships
LCM 532C, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70995 troops, 898 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 97157 troops, 944 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1712



Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65428 troops, 790 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1712

Defending force 87844 troops, 971 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538


Japanese ground losses:
92 casualties reported



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/23/2008 3:05:27 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		Counted it up on the last two pages of the AAR. 4 out of 18 sub attacks were "succesful", which means resulted in (most times) one torp hit. So if we take an average of 5 torps launched (most salvos are 4 or 6 torps) then it means my subs expanded 90 torps for 4 ships hit...

do I need to say more?

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/23/2008 4:07:23 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/16/42

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ASW attack at 50,48

Japanese Ships
DD Kawakaze
DD Samidare
DD Shigure
DD Kasumi
DD Arare
DD Natsugumo

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon, hits 1

one near miss, 6 sys 2 flt...

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ASW attack at 31,50

Japanese Ships
DD Mutsuki
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish

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Night Air attack on TF at 33,79


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 6


Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Kongo

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet

another attack (it isn´t hard at all to get your Catalinas attacking at night) and another time I heard no "splash" from the torps being dropped

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Night Air attack on TF at 33,79


Allied aircraft
PBY Catalina x 8
Catalina I x 16


Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 4 damaged
Catalina I: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Ise

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Catalina I launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x PBY Catalina launching torpedoes at 200 feet

second attack tonight... again no "splash". Bet 1000 Euros this is another broken feature. While I know it worked at some point, I don´t know if it works with the latest patch. I guess, it doesn´t work. The aircraft can miss, no problem, but everytime in the game when torps are dropped you hear a "splash". Not a single time I heard a splash from my Catalinas dropping a torp. Excellent!!

The attacks are being stopped and the IJN BBs can safely sit 6 hexes away from our base...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

28 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc
CL Dauntless, Shell hits 5
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae

Japanese ground losses:
2 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

totally I D I O T I C!!!!

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

58 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CA Frobisher, Shell hits 12
CA Hawkins
CA Exeter
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 17

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

not less I D I O T I C!!! both CAs end up with a couple of mounts being blown off the deck...

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ASW attack at 49,48

Japanese Ships
DD Kawakaze
DD Samidare
DD Shigure
DD Kasumi
DD Arare
DD Natsugumo

Allied Ships
SS Gato, hits 3

3 near misses, Gato lost half of her forward torpedo tubes. While I know that they "can" be repaired (at least that´s what people are saying on the forum), for me it has never worked so far. When I look at the number of torps, then I´m told numbers like 33 or 27, after months of sitting disbanded in port... I like especially the numbers that are above the normal numbers the sub can carry

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Sub attack at 29,50

Japanese Ships
AP Kasuga Maru
MSW W.4

Allied Ships
SS Kingfish

miss
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Sub attack near Truk at 63,78

Japanese Ships
AK China Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Hake

wow, after over a dozen unsuccesful attacks a mine laying sub hits a big AK...

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Sub attack at 50,47

Japanese Ships
DD Onami
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Kiyonami
DD Hatsuzuki

Allied Ships
SS Tuna

and in the next moment we´re back to the fire - miss attacks...

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Day Air attack on TF at 26,83

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AR Utahan, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet

the super Betties are back... we lose an AR that we need on the North Coast of Australia 5 hexes before it entered the base...

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Sub attack at 50,48

Japanese Ships
AK Calcutta Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
MSW Kaiyo Maru #1
MSW Aoi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Drum

must be my super lucky day! 50% of our sub attacks today achieved at least one torp hit...

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70674 troops, 888 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 97332 troops, 944 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709



Allied ground losses:
121 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65475 troops, 789 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1706

Defending force 87540 troops, 962 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538


Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/23/2008 8:37:46 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/17/42

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ASW attack at 48,48

Japanese Ships
DD Uranami
DD Shinonome
DD Yugure
DD Wakaba
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Spearfish

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Sub attack at 27,50

Japanese Ships
AP Heiyo Maru
DD Mutsuki
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
SS Salmon

torps miss...

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ASW attack at 23,36

Japanese Ships
PC Kunashiri
PC Hachijo
PC Shimushu
APD APD-39

Allied Ships
SS S-40

another ASW group is operating near Andaman Island again...

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ASW attack at 23,36

Japanese Ships
PC Kunashiri
PC Hachijo
PC Shimushu
APD APD-39

Allied Ships
SS S-40

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Sub attack at 46,48

Japanese Ships
MSW Aoi Maru
MSW Kaiyo Maru #1

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

torps miss...

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Sub attack at 25,50

Japanese Ships
AP Mogamigawa Maru
MSW W.4

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish

torps fail to detonate...

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Sub attack near Lautem at 33,78

Japanese Ships
CA Nachi
DD Hayate
DD Yuzuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Asagiri
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
SS S-41

MK10 torps fail to detonate... how much luck must my opponent have? But hey, he sunk Yorktown with two torps two hexes off Brisbane when she had 0 flt damaged before...

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 201


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 20
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 13th AA Regiment, at 34,27


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 87
Kittyhawk I x 14


Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
218 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet

oops! My Hurricanes are directly attacking an AA unit... we come away though and damage the AA unit...

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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aru Island at 39,80


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 15


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 2
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 4, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

moved 16 SBDs to Tenimbar (base North of Darwin) as the enemy BBs are now parked at Aru Island, three hexes East of Tenimbar. 6x1000lb bomb hits that cause some fires and knock out a 6inch gun mount... extremely heavy flak fire though...

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Day Air attack on TF, near Aru Island at 39,80


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 40
Beaufort I x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 15


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
Beaufort I: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 3
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 3, on fire
CL Oi

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Swordfish bombing at 5000 feet

moved those aircraft back to Darwin, the range to Aru is 5 so no torps. A couple of bomb hits again and Yamashiro shows up heavily burning in the replay. Perhaps we cause 5 sys dam points...

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 27
TBF Avenger x 16
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 60

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 52
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Aru Island at 39,80


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 6


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
CL Oi

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

Where are those 1000lb AP bombs? This squadron is 79 exp and we still drop GP bombs on the bomb prove BBs. If they just would attack the cruisers. Ridicoulos enough that the Japanese player can park his BBs 5 hexes off a major Allied base without having to fear anything. If I would have PTs in this region I would send 5 dozen of them against his BBs...

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Day Air attack on TF, near Aru Island at 39,80


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 15
Beaufort I x 7
B-25C Mitchell x 13


Allied aircraft losses
Swordfish: 2 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 3, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Swordfish bombing at 5000 feet

a couple of more 500lb bomb hits. My Swordfish are only near 60 exp so it´s a good training for them... can I launch torps from a level 2 base?

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ASW attack near Lautem at 33,78

Japanese Ships
DD Hayate
DD Yuzuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Asagiri
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
SS S-41

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Sub attack at 26,50

Japanese Ships
AP Aikoku Maru
DD Mutsuki
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

torps fail to detonate! So today we saw 5 subs attacking, not a single one was succesful! Makes it something like 23 attacks, 4 hits...

but on the other hand, we see the normal ridicoulos use of hundreds of IJA bombers... "oh, the Japanese side is so crippled in Nikmod..." This is how it looks like every day...


OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 12/17/42

Ki-49 Helen reports periscope at 26, 50
Ki-49 Helen reports diving submarine at 33, 78
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 49,48 , Speed 13 , Moving West
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 44, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 47, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports periscope at 48, 48
Ki-49 Helen attacking Grayling at 49,48
Ki-49 Helen sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 47,48 , Speed 10 , Moving West
Ki-49 Helen reports suspected submarine at 47, 53
Ki-49 Helen sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 46,48 , Speed 11 , Moving West
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 44, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports periscope at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 49, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports periscope at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 40, 54
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46, 48
G4M1 Betty attacking Grayling at 49,48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 40, 54
G4M1 Betty reports periscope at 44, 48
H8K Emily sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 52,93 , Speed 5 , Moving Southeast
H8K Emily attacking Perch at 52,93
H8K Emily sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 30,25 , Speed 32 , Moving Northeast
D3A Val reports periscope at 33, 78
E7K2 Alf reports shadow in water at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports diving submarine at 46, 48
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 49, 48
G4M1 Betty reports diving submarine at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports diving submarine at 40, 54
E13A1 Jake reports shadow in water at 46, 48
Sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 39,80 , Speed 0
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 33,78 , Speed 7 , Moving Southeast
PBY Catalina sighting report: 3 Japanese ships at 33,78 , Speed 7 , Moving Southeast
PBY Catalina has spotted Wales Maru at 33,78
PBY Catalina has spotted Fuso at 39,80
Catalina I has spotted Wales Maru at 33,78
PBY Catalina has spotted Ise at 33,78
E13A1 Jake reports diving submarine at 23, 35
A-20B Boston takes recon photos of Mandalay
A-20B Boston takes recon photos of Mandalay
IL-4c takes recon photos of Mandalay
CW-22 Falcon takes recon photos of Akyab
SB-2c takes recon photos of Myitkyina
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Imphal
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Ledo
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Chandpur
J1N1-R Irving takes recon photos of Diamond Harbor
Hudson I takes recon photos of Koepang
Hudson I takes recon photos of Lautem
Hudson I takes recon photos of Lautem
F-5A Lightning takes recon photos of Gili Gili
Hudson I takes recon photos of Port Moresby
Hudson I takes recon photos of Thursday Island
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Darwin
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Darwin
PBY Catalina takes recon photos of Kiska Island
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 1st New Chinese Corps
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of 16th Chinese Air Base Force
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 26, 50
Ki-49 Helen reports diving submarine at 32, 81
Ki-49 Helen reports suspected submarine at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 49, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports periscope at 47, 48
Ki-51 Sonia reports shadow in water at 47, 48
Ki-51 Sonia attacking Trout at 47,48
Trout is reported HIT
Ki-49 Helen sighting report: 1 Allied ship at 50,50 , Speed 5 , Moving Southwest
Ki-49 Helen attacking Sculpin at 50,50
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 47, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 47, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 44, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports periscope at 48, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 50, 50
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 47, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports diving submarine at 49, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports suspected submarine at 47, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports suspected submarine at 48, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 50, 50
Ki-49 Helen reports radio transmissions at 46, 48
Ki-49 Helen attacking Drum at 46,48
Ki-49 Helen attacking Tambor at 44,48
Ki-49 Helen attacking Tuna at 48,48
Ki-49 Helen reports shadow in water at 47, 48
Ki-49 Helen reports periscope at 49, 48
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 46, 48
G4M1 Betty reports periscope at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 40, 54
G4M1 Betty attacking Tambor at 44,48
H8K Emily reports radio transmissions at 33, 78
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 48, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 46, 48
G4M1 Betty attacking Drum at 46,48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty attacking Grayling at 49,48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports shadow in water at 44, 48
H8K Emily reports periscope at 55, 96
D3A Val reports shadow in water at 33, 78
G4M1 Betty attacking Tuna at 48,48
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 38, 57
G4M1 Betty attacking Spearfish at 46,48
G4M1 Betty reports suspected submarine at 46, 48
G4M1 Betty damaged by flak
G4M1 Betty attacking Seadragon at 47,48
G4M1 Betty reports diving submarine at 47, 48
G4M1 Betty reports diving submarine at 40, 54
G4M1 Betty reports diving submarine at 44, 48
F1M2 Pete reports shadow in water at 33, 78
E13A1 Jake reports suspected submarine at 33, 78
E13A1 Jake reports shadow in water at 46, 48
E13A1 Jake reports shadow in water at 47, 48
E13A1 Jake reports diving submarine at 47, 48
PBY Catalina sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 39,73 , Speed 17 , Moving East
Catalina I has spotted Sumatra Maru at 33,78
PBY Catalina has spotted Tamo Maru #6 at 33,78
PB2Y Coronado has spotted Hague Maru at 33,78
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Yunan
A-20B Boston takes recon photos of Mandalay
A-20B Boston takes recon photos of Mandalay
IL-4c takes recon photos of Mandalay
SB-2c takes recon photos of Akyab
CW-22 Falcon takes recon photos of Akyab
SB-2c takes recon photos of Myitkyina
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Imphal
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Ledo
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Chandpur
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Jorhat
J1N1-R Irving takes recon photos of Diamond Harbor
Hudson I takes recon photos of Koepang
Hudson I takes recon photos of Koepang
Hudson I takes recon photos of Lautem
Hudson I takes recon photos of Lautem
F-5A Lightning takes recon photos of Gili Gili
Hudson I takes recon photos of Port Moresby
Hudson I takes recon photos of Thursday Island
B-25C Mitchell takes recon photos of Thursday Island
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Darwin
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Darwin
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of Derby
PBY Catalina takes recon photos of Kiska Island
Ki-15 Babs takes recon photos of 55th Chinese Corps
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of 18th UK Division
Ki-46-II Dinah takes recon photos of 17th Chinese Air Base Force
Kaifeng expands airfield to size 9


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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70732 troops, 890 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538

Defending force 96952 troops, 943 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1705



Allied ground losses:
86 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65487 troops, 789 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1705

Defending force 87558 troops, 964 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 1538


Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported



< Message edited by castor troy -- 3/23/2008 8:40:57 PM >

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 1:00:28 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
Joined: 8/23/2004
From: Austria
Status: offline 		another day, another time frustrating results...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/18/42

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TF 1044 encounters mine field at Akyab (30,29) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

76 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Cuttack, Shell hits 30, on fire, heavy damage

lol, this MSW is one hex off Akyab. So the "sweep mines from the adjacent hex routine" works (after one week in this hex) though then of course also the CD guns can fire 120 miles... needless to say that the MSW is sunk...

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TF 1019 encounters mine field at Akyab (30,29)

Allied Ships
DD Voyager, Mine hits 1, on fire

then of course we hit a mine...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

58 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc
CL Dauntless, Shell hits 7
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae, Shell hits 20

Japanese ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

any comment??

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

34 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CA Frobisher
CA Hawkins, Shell hits 12
CA Exeter
CA Cornwall

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

wow, a N U K E...

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Sub attack at 47,48

Japanese Ships
AK Calcutta Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Tuna



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Sub attack at 42,49

Japanese Ships
TK Jinei
TK Nanei Maru
DD Teruzuki

Allied Ships
SS Tambor

torps miss...

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Sub attack near Rabaul at 61,88

Japanese Ships
AG AG-374, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Argonaut

If I could I would order all my subs to use their deck guns only...

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Sub attack at 43,49

Japanese Ships
TK Kokuyo Maru
TK Nanei Maru
DD Teruzuki

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon

and a miss... don´t know what I can do more than to bring my subs into perfect position all the time, just to see them missing slow merchants with salvos of 4 or 6 torps... ridicoulos...

again, a sub was hit by a Helen off the Philipines...


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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 210


No Allied losses

Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 29
TBF Avenger x 15
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 61


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 24
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70598 troops, 885 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 1534

Defending force 96916 troops, 946 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1708



Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65549 troops, 792 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1707

Defending force 87458 troops, 960 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 1534


Japanese ground losses:
84 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 3:18:34 PM   
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ASW attack at 46,48

Japanese Ships
DD Uranami
DD Shinonome
DD Yugure
DD Wakaba
DD Suzukaze
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Grayling, hits 12, on fire

those DDs got a lot of chances to attack today. At least 3 times I saw a message of each DD trying to engage my sub. In the end Grayling receives one real hit and 11 near misses. Retiring with 36sys 42flt...

no sub hit by Army bombers today...

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 215


No Allied losses

Runway hits 22
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 7th AF Construction Battalion, at 32,27


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 82
Kittyhawk I x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70566 troops, 889 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 1535

Defending force 96444 troops, 946 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1710



Allied ground losses:
102 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65581 troops, 792 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1710

Defending force 87317 troops, 964 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 1535


Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Guns lost 2



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 4:28:50 PM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		I can always read your AAR and know that things in my PBEM are not that bad.

My rant is around how many PBYs I need on naval search to see his ships before some base undergoes a "nuke" attack on one of my forward bases or a sub comes into a base to lays mines and I only know about when one of my ships wants to be a minesweeper...once.   Then there is the inablity to hit those BBs with torpedoes as they are 5 hexes away.  I hope and pray that this one issue is changed in AE. 3 x 8 hour phases vs. the current 2 x 12 hour phases would help, IMO.

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 4:33:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I can always read your AAR and know that things in my PBEM are not that bad.




at least my AAR has one purpose, to make you feel better!



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 5:33:58 PM   
castor troy


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From: Austria
Status: offline 		today, Hortlund decided it would be a good idea to do some ship strafing... voilà, we´re out of synch. It´s impossible for me to give orders if I only have the Japanese combat report, as the cr doesn´t show even half of what happened during the replay...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/20/42

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ASW attack at 42,50

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuyuki
DD Isonami
DD Kiyonami
DD Onami
DD Hatsuzuki

Allied Ships
SS Seadragon, hits 10, on fire, heavy damage

didn´t happen in my cr, as the rest of the following. Seadragon is dead. Another TWO subs were hit by Helens today. Ridicoulos to have all Japanese Army bombers on ASW but that´s what my opponent seems to do...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

52 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc
CL Dauntless
CL Durban, Shell hits 8
CL Dragon, Shell hits 7
CL Danae

Japanese ground losses:
36 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-R Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CA Frobisher
CA Hawkins
CA Exeter
CA Cornwall

Japanese ground losses:
972 casualties reported
Guns lost 18
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 46
Port hits 1

first time that we hit something it seems...

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Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 49
P-40B Tomahawk x 48
B-26B Marauder x 53

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-R Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 4 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
57 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 37

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet

after weeks of doing nothing, my bombers attack again. Not even 50% of what I did set to attack...

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 212


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 27
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 212


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 27
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Tenimbar at 36,81

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
LCT LCT-65, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, on fire
LCT LCT-67, Shell hits 4
LCT LCT-58, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x A6M3 Zero attacking at 100 feet

that´s probably the reason that I have to play out of synch now. If it at least would cause both players to look at an out of synch combat replay, but no, it only hits the Allied player... so if Hortlund insists in keeping his aircraft on strafing attacks, then I can´t play on, being out of synch...

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 29
TBF Avenger x 13
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 38


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 21
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet


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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 70027 troops, 878 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1524

Defending force 96293 troops, 942 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1711



Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65587 troops, 790 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1711

Defending force 85726 troops, 929 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1524


Japanese ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Guns lost 3



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 7:12:38 PM   
castor troy


Posts: 14330
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From: Austria
Status: offline 		in synch again, we haven´t tried any solution suggested on the forum and this time it has resolved itself... question is for how long we will stay in synch again

TWO SUBS WERE HIT BY HELENS TODAY...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/21/42

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Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 102
P-40B Tomahawk x 43
B-26B Marauder x 105

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-R Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 5 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 44

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Wellington III bombing at 19000 feet
41 x B-26B Marauder bombing at 20000 feet

flak is slowly getting less intense, perhaps we can adjust our alt to 16.000ft. Though the ground losses our bomber attacks cause are still not enough to really wear down the defending AA rgts and base forces.

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Day Air attack on Tenimbar , at 36,81

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 79
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M3 Zero strafing at 100 feet
27 x A6M3 Zero strafing at 100 feet

after setting his Zeroes to strafe my barges last turn (and probably causing the synch bug), today the Zeroes strafe our airfield! Amazingly enough, the two base forces there are not able to take a single strafing fighter down.

To avoid the synch bug we have agreed on not using aircraft against ships below 1000ft from now on.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 200


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 22
Port hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
47 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on 7th AF Construction Battalion, at 32,27


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 84
Kittyhawk I x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet

I have 100+ fighters at this base set to escort and all we get every day are a good dozen Kittyhawks. Won´t take long and the 150 enemy fighters at Mandalay will fly LRCAP over this construction btn (3 hexes range) and I´m sure my fighter bombers will get chewed up if my escorts don´t show up. Wonder what the explanation can be if all aircraft launch from the same base and 100+ of the escorts just decide to stay home ALL THE TIME - that´s ridicoulos and has no reasonable explanation, nor a historic example.

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Day Air attack on TF, near Andaman Island at 23,34

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 21

Allied aircraft
LB-30 Liberator x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
LB-30 Liberator: 15 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 10, on fire
CA Chokai

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x LB-30 Liberator bombing at 10000 feet

wow! I´m really amazed that my bombers achieve 10 hits (500lb bombs) from 10.000ft on the fast super battleship. 2 bombers were lost (including one crew), we probably cause two or three sys damage on the BB and destroy a secondary mount. I spotted a TF at Andaman last turn so I set my bombers on nav attack as I thought it would be an ASW TF. Instead it´s the TF with the super BB again. At the moment I´m really thinking about sending in two of my British BBs to attack the beast. But that would be just for fun I guess as I don´t really have a reason to attack the ship when I can take it out with torpedo bombers at some point. I have to say, I´m more afraid of three dozen Betties attacking my BBs on their way in, than to see my BBs being sunk by Musashi.

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 32
TBF Avenger x 13
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 2 destroyed


Japanese ground losses:
104 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 39
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet

looks like Hortlund moved in some Rufes, even though none were encountered in the air. I guess my 32 Wildcats could at least handle Rufes... would be a good way to kill IJN pilots...

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69865 troops, 872 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1521

Defending force 96264 troops, 941 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1710



Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65549 troops, 790 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1710

Defending force 85539 troops, 920 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1521


Japanese ground losses:
102 casualties reported
Guns lost 1





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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/24/2008 11:56:51 PM   
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Sub attack at 37,60

Japanese Ships
AK Burma Maru, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Gar

this time we attack during the daylight on the surface. First salvo of 6 torps missed, we are lucky that the second one achieves a hit. So 1 out of 12 torps hit this big AK. The merchant is pumped full of AA shells and a couple of 5 inch shells.

Today, I guess 75% of all my subs within Helen range were spotted, non hit though. With the use of hundreds of Army bombers we were forced further South, our subs are operating around Borneo now. The last two turns more and more subs were spotted there and it´s obvious that Hortlund moved a couple of hundred Helens into this region now, following our subs with a couple of mouseclicks, whereas I have to click around 10 mins every turn to redeploy my subs, even though it doesn´t make sense anyway. The best use of subs for the Allied player is NOT to use them.


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Day Air attack on Tenimbar , at 36,81

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 48
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 4 damaged


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A6M3 Zero strafing at 100 feet

Hortlund keeps strafing my airfield. Wonder if this goes with our hr about no fighters on ground or airfield attack.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 127


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
47 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet

want to point out that fighter bombers are not effected by the hr about fighters not allowed to do ground attacks and I asked my opponent if he wants them included in the hr but he didn´t. Would have been a mess for me not being able to use the hundreds of fighter bombers I have.

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69979 troops, 872 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 1525

Defending force 96135 troops, 940 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709



Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65493 troops, 791 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709

Defending force 85667 troops, 925 guns, 26 vehicles, Assault Value = 1525


Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 1:06:25 AM   
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Today, I guess 75% of all my subs within Helen range were spotted, non hit though. With the use of hundreds of Army bombers we were forced further South, our subs are operating around Borneo now. The last two turns more and more subs were spotted there and it´s obvious that Hortlund moved a couple of hundred Helens into this region now, following our subs with a couple of mouseclicks, whereas I have to click around 10 mins every turn to redeploy my subs, even though it doesn´t make sense anyway. The best use of subs for the Allied player is NOT to use them.




Well historicaly the German u-boot campaign in the Atlantic was a failure in such a sense that it failed in strangling the British isles, but it was successful in such a sense that it forced the British to enforce the convoy system which in itself dropped British imports by a third and forced the British to divert substantial aerial and naval assets in supressing the German wolfpacks.
The Japanese did not make use of a convoy system in real life nor did they divert much of any aerial assets to hunt down the American subs which is the reason why the American sub campaign in real life was as succesful as it was. Horty is as far as I can see from your combat reports is using large convoys, using substantial aerial assets to hunt your subs as well as quite a few ASW taskforces.
If I were in your shoes, I would be quite pleased that my opponent is diverting this many resources in hunting down what at best would be a nuisance.

P.s love the AAR, kick Hortys arse please.

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 1:23:28 AM   
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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 4:15:54 AM   
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To avoid -watch all the way through.

(seems to work for me)

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 2:58:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


Today, I guess 75% of all my subs within Helen range were spotted, non hit though. With the use of hundreds of Army bombers we were forced further South, our subs are operating around Borneo now. The last two turns more and more subs were spotted there and it´s obvious that Hortlund moved a couple of hundred Helens into this region now, following our subs with a couple of mouseclicks, whereas I have to click around 10 mins every turn to redeploy my subs, even though it doesn´t make sense anyway. The best use of subs for the Allied player is NOT to use them.




Well historicaly the German u-boot campaign in the Atlantic was a failure in such a sense that it failed in strangling the British isles, but it was successful in such a sense that it forced the British to enforce the convoy system which in itself dropped British imports by a third and forced the British to divert substantial aerial and naval assets in supressing the German wolfpacks.
The Japanese did not make use of a convoy system in real life nor did they divert much of any aerial assets to hunt down the American subs which is the reason why the American sub campaign in real life was as succesful as it was. Horty is as far as I can see from your combat reports is using large convoys, using substantial aerial assets to hunt your subs as well as quite a few ASW taskforces.
If I were in your shoes, I would be quite pleased that my opponent is diverting this many resources in hunting down what at best would be a nuisance.

P.s love the AAR, kick Hortys arse please.


Hi!

If my subs actually would hit something, they would be far more than a nuissance (like they were in the first four months of the war where subs alone sunk a hundred APs!). The convoys or the ASW TFs aren´t much of a problem. The "only" problem my subs face are hundreds of Helens as it seems that all the Japanese Army bombers are used for ASW which seems a bit too much for me. I haven´t had a IJAAF bomber attacking something else than subs for months...


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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 9:51:41 PM   
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Sub attack at 29,50

Japanese Ships
AK Canberra Maru
MSW Kaiyo Maru #1
MSW Aoi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Guardfish

we start off with the usual "sub launches 6 torps at a slow merchant and all torps miss"...

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TF 1019 encounters mine field at Akyab (30,29)

Allied Ships
DD Piet Hein, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

bombardment TF... ship 100% will sink tomorrow...

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TF 1026 encounters mine field at Akyab (30,29)

Allied Ships
DD Hotspur, Mine hits 1, heavy damage

the second bombardment TF... Hotspur has a 70:30 chance to make it...
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Sub attack at 28,50

Japanese Ships
AK Canberra Maru
MSW Kaiyo Maru #1
MSW Aoi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Sargo

oh! How great, 4 torps launched and we hit the merchant... torps fail to detonate... two weeks until 1/43...

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ASW attack near Lautem at 33,78

Japanese Ships
DD Hayate
DD Yuzuki
DD Nagatsuki
DD Asagiri
DD Ayanami

Allied Ships
SS S-41, hits 3

while we of course see two sub attacks that are both unsuccesful, the Japanese ASW TF achieves two near misses and one real hit, forcing the sub 2 months into the repair yards...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

26 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc, Shell hits 10
CL Dauntless
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae

Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported

this TF moved in from Chandpur (fully fueled, 5 hexes), does the bombardment (wihtout effect) and then stops ONE hex West of Akyab! If there would be Betties on nav attack, I would have lost 5 CLs and a couple of DDs because the TF commander decided to stay 60 miles off the target for the rest of the day instead of moving the five hexes back to Chandpur...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

22 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CA Frobisher
CA Hawkins, Shell hits 8
CA Exeter
CA Cornwall

Japanese ground losses:
509 casualties reported
Guns lost 6
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 26
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 1

CA Hawkins is already in a pretty bad shape from the bombardments...

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TF 143 encounters mine field at Gili Gili (56,94)

Japanese Ships
PG Takunan Maru #10
AK Lyons Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire

supply convoy moving in to Gili Gili. Sub laid MK10 damages an AK. I would prefer to see the escorts hitting a mine as those are most times finished after one mine hit.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 144


No Allied losses

Runway hits 21
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 30


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Gili Gili at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 19
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 39
B-24D Liberator x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 14 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Naniwa Maru
PG Takunan Maru #10, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Samarang Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kiso Maru, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
AK Macassar Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Nitiran Maru
PC Kyo Maru #6, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kiyosumi Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PC Kyo Maru #7, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet

excellent! This is in the morning and we get a good number of bombers attacking from Townsville. The Cap is avoided pretty easily and the supply convoy is hit hard by several 500lb and 1000lb GP bombs.

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Day Air attack on TF, near Gili Gili at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 18
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 19

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
PG Takunan Maru #10, on fire
AK Kiyosumi Maru, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet

a lower exp group (means around 70) attacks from Cairns but even though as they nearly face no fighters they also achieve no hits...

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36
TBF Avenger x 16
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 60

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2-N Rufe: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
88 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 52
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Gili Gili at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 15
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Macassar Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kiso Maru, on fire, heavy damage
AK Lyons Maru, on fire
PC Kyo Maru #6, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet

we even get more strikes in the afternoon and finish another AK...

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Day Air attack on TF, near Gili Gili at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 15
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 24

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Naniwa Maru, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
AK Madras Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Kiyosumi Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
PC Kyo Maru #7

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet

the B-17 crews are the most experienced and are a truely deadly weapon. If there´s something superior to everything the Japanese can field, then it´s the B-17 and B-24 (if flown by high exp crews and against unarmored targets). While fighters can´t stop them at all (they even can´t really hurt them) Hortlund again sends a big TF into a front line base without flying in 200 fighters first (which are available in the area, but are flying Cap over PM and Thursday). So he has to pay a very high price again. Unfortunately we didn´t kill the escorts, something my subs would really appreciate. Our bombers even shot down two enemy fighters today for only two bombers lost. A clear success.




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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69646 troops, 865 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1521

Defending force 96264 troops, 940 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1712



Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Hortlund moves a construction btn towards the trail North of Akyab. The intention is obvious, he wants to create a ZOC with his mini unit to cut my supply path. If he really does that (and I´m sure he will as he did the same with units of 25 men in India too), then I will land troops in the non base hex South of Akyab and North of Akyab to open my supply path again and at the same time close his supply path to Akyab. Want to bet that this will lead to a discussion? Doing a non base hex landing is IMO not more gamey than using a mini unit to create a Zoc behind an Army of 100.000 men.

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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65549 troops, 792 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1712

Defending force 84952 troops, 914 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1521


Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 1





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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 10:55:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		today, two of our subs were hit by Helens... this is the point where I told Hortlund that it´s totally off for me to use ALL Japanese Army bombers for ASW duty. To top it off he has not just placed them all over the map, no, he puts hundreds of them in one small area like the Philipines to kill the 8 subs there, then move all 300+ bombers to Borneo to kill the 8 subs there...

at the moment we´re talking about dropping the game (once again) as I told Steve that I can´t accept the use of all the IJAAF bombers on ASW when it takes only 40 days to hit 50 subs with 250kg AP bombs. I said that as soon as 50% of my subs are out of action or sunk due to Helens on ASW I will use my 4Es on alts between 1000 and 6000ft again, knowing that this will completely piss him off. So now he insist that we have a hr on 4E attack height but still finds it reasonable to have the whole IJAAF on ASW. He really must think that this is a valid tactic that would have worked in real life also because he even told me he has ALL his IJAAF bombers on ASW, but I only have to fear 250 of them as those are the ones that are between 75 and 85 exp.

so now we´re in the discussion and who knows if the game goes on.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/24/42

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Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 124
P-40B Tomahawk x 45
B-26B Marauder x 117

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-R Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
92 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 24
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 96

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Wellington III bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on 7th AF Construction Battalion, at 31,27


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 79
Kittyhawk I x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet


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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69688 troops, 870 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1520

Defending force 96248 troops, 937 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709



Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65529 troops, 790 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709

Defending force 84917 troops, 920 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1520


Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 11:25:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I´m told that he will only accept a hr if the majority on the forum says that it is, how should I call it, strange?? that ALL Japanese Army bombers are on ASW. So let´s see with what glorious arguments people come up to prove me that it would have been possible to convince the high command that all 400+ Army bombers should be taken away from the front to fly ASW patrols.

I really appreciate Steve as my opponent, perhaps my words are harsh sometimes. The problem we have is the fact that we have just completely different oppinions on what is gamey and what is not. This time: for me it´s gamey to use all Army bombers for ASW, not gamey for him.


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/25/42

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29

Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc
CL Dauntless
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae

Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Runway hits 4
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 3

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29

Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CA Frobisher
CA Hawkins
CA Exeter
CA Cornwall

Japanese ground losses:
140 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

no mine hits so it was a good day... DD Piet Hein sunk today after the mine hit at Akyab...

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 41
TBF Avenger x 16
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 62


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 61
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Sub attack at 26,65

Japanese Ships
AK Chuko Maru
PC Ch 5
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Musashi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Whale

surpised? 6 torps launched, no success...

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ASW attack near Kai Island at 39,78

Japanese Ships
DD Naganami
CL Agano
CA Atago
BB Nagato

Allied Ships
SS S-33, hits 2

2 near misses from DCs dropped by CL Agano... soon we will have PTs in this area to scare away the bomb prove Japanese BBs...

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69551 troops, 870 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 1512

Defending force 96194 troops, 940 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1708



Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65535 troops, 790 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1708

Defending force 84811 troops, 920 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 1512


Japanese ground losses:
96 casualties reported
Guns lost 2


below you can see a P-40 squadron that is flying Cap for a good week now. Unfortunately Nikmod still has the problem that fighters on Cap get completely worn down after a week.






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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/25/2008 11:46:55 PM   
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Andaman Island at 23,34

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Mutsuki, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AP Aikoku Maru
AP Awa Maru
AP Hakusan Maru, Shell hits 1
AP Heian Maru
AP Heiyo Maru

Allied Ships
CA Devonshire, Shell hits 1
DD Stuart, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Decoy
DD Electra
DD Encounter

another surface engagement at Andaman Island. BB Musashi retreated after being hit by lots of 500lb bombs from my Liberators so the two Japanese DDs were in trouble when my TF showed up. The Japanese torps missed this time and the British torps hit. The British know how to fight and another 2 Japanese DDs are history.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 96


No Allied losses

Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 40


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
83 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on 7th AF Construction Battalion, at 31,27


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 77
Kittyhawk I x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet

this is the construction btn moving towards the trail North of Akyab. We don´t even cause anymore casualties but the unit is till able to create a Zoc...

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Day Air attack on Kiska Island , at 92,35

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 43
TBF Avenger x 16
PBY Catalina x 1
Wellington III x 57

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
51 casualties reported

Runway hits 52
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Wellington III bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 20,31

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Stuart, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet

Japanese CVEs are lurking around Andaman Island and are lucky enough that DD Stuart ends up only 4 hexes from Andaman to be still in bomb range of the CVEs. Oh well, we trade one of our DDs for two of the Japanese. And I will get hundreds of them...

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Day Air attack on TF at 20,31

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 23

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
DD Stuart, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B5N Kate bombing at 6000 feet

second strike, the DD is already sunk...

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69602 troops, 870 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 1510

Defending force 96254 troops, 941 guns, 23 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709



Allied ground losses:
38 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65570 troops, 790 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1709

Defending force 84895 troops, 919 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 1510


Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Guns lost 4



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 12:01:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing that I have learnt in this PBEM is: never start a PBEM when you don´t have hrs for all and everything. We started the game with: if there´s an issue we can set hrs in. Well, there´s a hr now for 4E bombers for example (which Hortlund insists in) but he doesn´t want to have one regarding all IJAAF bombers massed within 5 hexes on ASW patrol. 4Es are too deadly against ships, well Betties dropping torps everytime is fine... Sometimes I wonder who is more stubborn. He or me?

I even have my own hr about not bombing enemy occupied oil / HI / resources to make the game more realistic and to force me into a realistic sub war. Well, with how Hortlund seems to think about a realistic air ASW, my own thinking about a realistic sub war has vanished...

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 1:23:17 AM   
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I even have my own hr about not bombing enemy occupied oil / HI / resources to make the game more realistic


Why? In the real war the USAAF did in fact bomb occupied oil resources. Balikpapan's fields and refineries were struck on several occasions.

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 4:03:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have to say, that I too use a huge portion of my army bomber force on ASW starting around mid 42 or so. Granted I do not mass all 300 or so in a small area, but will place 36 or 27 on every level 4 airfield backed up by an ASW TF or 2. What the bombers do not hit, my ASW jumps on. But when you look at the number of level 4 air bases, I can mass alot real fast if needed. Or even have the 200 or so in a small area.

I have not had anyone try an early sub campaign against me though. Most wait until 1943 until the torps are fixed, so I might when faced with this react the same way as him.

But I will mass every army bomber to shut down an airfield or 2 and then return them to ASW duty.

I always ask for a HR of 4E not below 10,000 feet on naval strike. But since I play nikmod, I do not worry too much about 4E's coming in at treetop level. They can really hurt me, but I will hurt them too. I have to agree on the const bn creating a ZOC though. For cutting off units, I would prefer a brigade at least. And ask for such ahead of time by HR. Feel free to ZOC me, but at least use a brigade or larger. Even a full infantry regiment makes it more realistic.


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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 11:52:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

quote:

I even have my own hr about not bombing enemy occupied oil / HI / resources to make the game more realistic


Why? In the real war the USAAF did in fact bomb occupied oil resources. Balikpapan's fields and refineries were struck on several occasions.


yes, but for me it´s just too easy to destroy every point of HI / oil / resources in range of my bombers AND it should force the Allied player (ME ) to use my subs. It also should force me to take bases in the SRA back asap to interdict shipping there, if not, the Japanese player can bring back his oil for a long time. And because I have even seen suicide carrier attacks in my PBEMs in mid 42 when the Allied massed his carriers to send them on a suicide mission to take out Palembang´s oil fields for example. Lose 3 carriers for the destruction of 400-600 oil points is something good in the long run, even if it might be stupid in the short run.

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 12:18:51 PM   
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Well, I have to say, that I too use a huge portion of my army bomber force on ASW starting around mid 42 or so. Granted I do not mass all 300 or so in a small area, but will place 36 or 27 on every level 4 airfield backed up by an ASW TF or 2. What the bombers do not hit, my ASW jumps on. But when you look at the number of level 4 air bases, I can mass alot real fast if needed. Or even have the 200 or so in a small area.

I have not had anyone try an early sub campaign against me though. Most wait until 1943 until the torps are fixed, so I might when faced with this react the same way as him.

But I will mass every army bomber to shut down an airfield or 2 and then return them to ASW duty.

I always ask for a HR of 4E not below 10,000 feet on naval strike. But since I play nikmod, I do not worry too much about 4E's coming in at treetop level. They can really hurt me, but I will hurt them too. I have to agree on the const bn creating a ZOC though. For cutting off units, I would prefer a brigade at least. And ask for such ahead of time by HR. Feel free to ZOC me, but at least use a brigade or larger. Even a full infantry regiment makes it more realistic.




there´s no difference when it comes to the bombers on ASW if you attack in 42 or late 45. My torps don´t affect the hit rates of super massed IJA bombers. Like I said, as a Japanese player, of course I also use Army bombers for ASW. Not all of them and of course and normally I put them into bases that their search range of 8 doesn´t overlap but should be close together. Heck, this way I still have a lot, probably also 200 or so bombers on nav search. BUT on the whole map. In my game against Swift I had one Sentai of Sallies in the Pacific and used it in the area Johnston down to Canton and this single Sentai achieved FAR too many hits.

So while Steve just doesn´t want to understand my point, for me the use of hundreds of Helens in the Philipines alone is off.

Regarding the ZOC. Well he used his units in India that consisted of something like 3 dozen men on average to create Zocs through all of India, so I´m pretty sure that his construction btn (that I can´t even hurt with my airattacks anymore) will march into the trail hex North of Akyab. Why should it else be in this place? When it arrives, I will do a NON BASE HEX LANDING - thus breaking one of our HRs and forcing my opponent to quit the game at the latest then.

I think a non base hex landing is gamey! Something my opponent will agree to. But he doesn´t think it is gamey to cut the supply path for 100.000 Allied troops with a construction btn. I think that is gamey too, but there´s no sense in even discussing it I fear. In fact, I guess the time we invest into the game and our AARs is wasted if we can´t get to agree to certain things in the game when it comes down to "gameyness".

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 9:10:28 PM   
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Sub attack at 32,64

Japanese Ships
AK Nisshun Maru
PG Takunan Maru #3

Allied Ships
SS Gar

Gar! missed...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

31 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CLAA Caradoc, Shell hits 18
CL Dauntless
CL Durban
CL Dragon
CL Danae

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Caradoc has none of her mainarmament anymore...

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Naval bombardment of Akyab, at 30,29 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

26 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Newcastle, Shell hits 13
CA Frobisher
CA Exeter
CA Cornwall

Japanese ground losses:
531 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6
Port hits 5
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on Thursday Island , at 49,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 23

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 2
B-17E Fortress x 43
B-24D Liberator x 91

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged
D3A Val: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 21 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 42 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 15
Runway hits 136

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 16000 feet

I had 24 Lightnings at the base but I forgot to set them to escort! Perhaps it was better anyway as the last time my Lightnings encountered Zeroes they lost 15:0. Half of our bombers are damaged, the BGs can be seen as inoperational. Drop of morale was between 30 and 40! Nevertheless this time we achieve an unbelievable high hit rate, seems the exp of mostly around 80 of my 4Es pays off. We moved most of the 4Es out and have set 200 Mitchels on airfield attack tomorrow. After my last attack on shipping at Gili Gili, the Cap at Thursday Island dropped from 60+ to around 30 every turn while the Cap at Gili Gili went up. We took advantage of that and hit Thursday hard today. In total Japan lost 18 aircraft today to 6 Allied aircraft. 4 4Es were lost though (most to flak) which is 3 times as many as the daily replacement rate. What saves me from running out is the fact that I can´t use them the next couple of days due to so many being damaged.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 129


No Allied losses

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
45 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 40


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on 7th AF Construction Battalion, at 31,27


Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 76
Kittyhawk I x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Hurricane IIb bombing at 2000 feet

is there a reason why we can´t damage this construction btn?

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69288 troops, 863 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1504

Defending force 96302 troops, 945 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1702



Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 65572 troops, 792 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1702

Defending force 84038 troops, 903 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1504


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

I´m already thinking about pulling out of Akyab again. Can´t see what I should achieve there as the Japanese airforce isn´t fighting for it anyway and I would need some 4000 assault points to take the base.

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/26/2008 10:58:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has the exp of your lcus at Akyab improved any?

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/27/2008 12:07:29 AM   
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Has the exp of your lcus at Akyab improved any?



not really, if it increased at all. Most of my units are around mid 60 with 2 Brit divs in the low 70s. Though I don´t know how low they started out. There wasn´t a deliberate attacks from any side so only bombardments all the time.

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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/27/2008 9:13:09 PM   
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Sub attack at 32,64

Japanese Ships
AK Chuko Maru
PC Ch 5
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Musashi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Thresher

6 torps missed...

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Sub attack at 32,64

Japanese Ships
AK Hidaka Maru
PC Ch 5
MSW Rokko Maru
MSW Musashi Maru

Allied Ships
SS Thresher

Thresher attacked again a s l o w merchant, this time with 4 torps and she missed again. I´ve already mentioned that the hit rate of subs is really poorly modelled in WITP. That´s not something I´m saying because I have that feeling in my stomache, just look at the last 10 pages of this AAR. Once again the developers failed, unfortunately. 60 torps to hit and sink one merchant? With salvoes of two or three times more torps than were used in real life? Heck, what did Matrix really think about when developing this game? Or am I just super duper unlucky with the dices? No matter how lucky or unlucky I am, probabilities should hit at some point. If not, then they are most likely not right.

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Day Air attack on Akyab , at 30,29


Allied aircraft
Wellington III x 142
P-40B Tomahawk x 72
B-26B Marauder x 128


Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 5 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 7 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
233 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 58

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington III bombing at 16000 feet

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Day Air attack on Thursday Island , at 49,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 16

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 4
B-25C Mitchell x 84
B-24D Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed, 9 damaged
D3A Val: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 29 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 8 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x B-25C Mitchell bombing at 16000 feet

70% of our bombers and 100% of our Lightnings failed to locate the target. Hit rate is poor and the ground losses not worth mentioning.

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Day Air attack on Dutch Harbor , at 103,36


Allied aircraft
P-39D Airacobra x 141


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 8
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x P-39D Airacobra bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Shuzan Naval Guard Unit, at 103,36


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 40


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet

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ASW attack near Bulla at 40,75

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato

Allied Ships
SS S-33

ASW attack? Nagato on ASW attack?

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Ground combat at Akyab

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 69236 troops, 862 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1505

Defending force 96343 troops, 942 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1710



Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Akyab

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 13484 troops, 250 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1710

Defending force 83870 troops, 899 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 1505


Japanese ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Guns lost 3



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RE: The rant goes on... Pzjg Hortlund vs Castor Troy - 3/27/2008 9:16:57 PM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		Hortlund said today that he will limit his Army bombers on ASW somewhat. Well, this isn´t because I came up with good arguments, as until yesterday he thought my arguments are BS, but I guess it is because of his game against Jumper, where Jumper used KB to sweep the sealane between New Guinea and Australia of the dozens of subs Hortlund had there!

He told me that he now sees my point! So if that wouldn´t have happened he would still think it´s realistic what he did. But then it must be also realistic if KB kills two dozen subs within a week if employed as an ASW vacuum cleaner as it would have been physically possible to set all (or most) KB bombers on ASW attack, even though noone would have ever thought of doing that in real life.

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