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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/3/2007 1:40:45 PM   
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El Cid,  (AIO 7.86 and CVO 7.86)

I was looking at how you had changed aircraft upgrade paths and noticed the following.

Slot 115 B-25H upgrades to 149 P-51D

REPLY: Yes it does. This first of all because that is actually what happened at that factory! I started doing real factories at real locations - then added in the rest at the edges. Other cases are more related to getting production numbers right. But these are done so the Allied numbers are reasonably correct - and early types are sunsetted. It is a compromise - because Code interprets "upgrade" in another way as well. But some strange upgrade options are generated by code already - and players need to have some judgement when implementing them. I trust players to do the "sensible" thing. And - in fact - a few units DO make wierd conversions (particularly in USMC) - so if it happens - well that is what the game commanders wanted. Ultimately, pilots can fly anything if they have to. Note in the somewhat fictional movie Pearl Harbor (Pearl Harbor and the Doolittle Raid are not exactly fictional) the characters switch from fighters to medium bombers! Marines for some reason thought fighter pilots should start out as observation pilots. And that might be just old thinking - WWI fighters were essentially army observation aircraft.



Slot 118 B-26G upgrades to 154 P-80A

REPLY: not because it did, but because I lack slots, the B-26G should not produce forever, and the P-80 needs to enter at about the right time - and the production rate is right. Modding is compromising - and here we are severely constrained by data base resources - or we must put production in the middle of the map.

Slot 161 OSU-3 upgrades to 160 F-6D


REPLY: I don't remember why - but it probably is deliberate.


Slot 171 Blenheim I upgrades to 210 Vengeance I

REPLY: Same as the P-80 case - more or less.


Slot 163 PV-1/B34 upgrades to 164 PV1 Night Fighter (should this be the PV-2 Harpoon?)

REPLY: Back to the top, this one is right - in production terms. PV-1 Night Fighters should come from the PV-1 line - and did.


Slot 247 TBD upgrades to 101 SB2C

REPLY: A compromise - where else do I get SB2Cs from in the right quantity at the right time? This is a first pass experiment with this concept.


By the way, I really like putting the planes manufacture on the map.  (I hated that in one day I was suddenly producing 200 SB2Cs)



The new system is full of compromises - but it seems to address several problems better than before. We get rid of old types in favor of new ones. Many - not enough but many - aircraft phase in from 1 - or they phase in at the rate of the line they take over but increase from that point up to the real peak. At least not all start out at large values. And this approach - sunsetting some types - means the monthly rates during a limited run are much larger - and when that is small - it was wholly impractical before because we had to spread it out for a long time (or sometimes I gave you enough to out fit units - but the rate for the whole war ended up way too high - in particular this was a problem for USN night fighters).


Some of this is changing with x.7852.

I decoupled the B-26B plant from its P-51A production. That way AI won't try to let B-26 units upgrade to P-51s, and we can have P-51 production ramp up.

To get the slot to do that, I moved production of early B-17s (5 per month) to Seattle - where there were also 5 - and no longer make B-17s in LA county. Originally I tried to do all plants in the right place - but we lack the slots - and this is not a bad compromise.

I also changed the way we get PBJs - and freed up a slot so Walrus can be produced on map (but not where it can be bombed - at New Orleans) - so now ALL Allied aircraft are produced on the map.

I will do a couple more things like this - P-80A will not ramp up and not confuse AI as an option for B-26G units if I can do it - probably using a slot at Long Beach.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/3/2007 4:26:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is there a BC Amagi design, when the ship never appears (as far as I see)?
What's the clue with the BB Anson (Centurion Class), which heaviest guns are 40mm AA guns? It's fully armoured but has no main artillery.



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RE: RHS 7.7862 uploaded - 11/3/2007 4:39:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		A revised comprehensive update has been sent to an expanded primary distribution list. Cobra should post this to sendspace soon - as it is coming up on morning in AUS. We may also have a different posting on a site provided by Historiker. This is mainly eratta punching - and there is some leader eratta not folded in. Some who wanted to be on primary distribution generated errors - but ol dog seems to have fixed his problem by expanding the reception area to 10 mb.

This set includes a version of EEO for the first time - for comments. It has some eratta of its own - and some additions planned - not yet made. But it should work.

Levels 5 and 6 were updated - but will delay in uploading - so I can sleep - and so that those with limited mail can empty their recepticals.

This is pretty much eratta punching - minor ship eratta most of all. AIO fixed a problem with Bombay (no port defined as such). USS Utah got defined so it won't make error checkers unhappy. Mizuho and Nisshin are redefined "properly" - but that needs another review. Neither upgrades to a CVL in CVO or BBO, but both upgrade to have radar and more light AAA. One starts as a CVL in EOS family. One of these vessels is a midget sub carrier - IRL both were - just as chrome - but loses that on upgrade because it is assumed it was not found easy to get into a surface battle suitable for midgets.
Allied aircraft production - now 100% on map - is somewhat enhanced and refined - and will generate fewer wierd upgrade options.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/3/2007 4:40:47 PM   
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Why is there a BC Amagi design, when the ship never appears (as far as I see)?
What's the clue with the BB Anson (Centurion Class), which heaviest guns are 40mm AA guns? It's fully armoured but has no main artillery.




The BB Anson is an "Easter egg" Sid put in the game which historically was a decoy the Brits used.
Park it in a friendly port and make the enemy recon to see if it is a real BB or otherwise..


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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/3/2007 4:42:09 PM   
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Why is there a BC Amagi design, when the ship never appears (as far as I see)?




Amagi - and a sister ship (Tosa) - appear in BBO family scenarios. BBO is for those who prefer a gunship oriented scenario - and it uses both pre war and early war planning as its basis. While it isn't what happened IRL, I regard it as MORE probable than what did happen! I consider BBO family scenarios as "strictly historical" in the same sense CVO family scenarios are - and in fact there are MORE BBO family scenarios than CVO (BBO, RPO and PPO). Naval planning is quite long term - and usually you must fight with what you planned to build. RHS names these ships after an earlier historical class - because they were not named - although both were issued build numbers.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/3/2007 4:45:38 PM   
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What's the clue with the BB Anson (Centurion Class), which heaviest guns are 40mm AA guns? It's fully armoured but has no main artillery.





My great deception plan worked!!! You were decieved.

Actually - if you look at this ship - you will see she is Centurion class. Centurion is a WWI battleship whose engines still work. She began WITP as a decoy - made to look like Anson with plywood structures - and armed as shown. Later she was given more AAA - and turned into a BBAA I guess - a mobile port defense ship. Still later she was expended as a breakwater (self powered) at Normandy. To the Japanese player - and to AI - this vessel appears to be a BB - and sometimes as a named BB - Anson. In a surface battle, enemy ships will tend to shoot at her. IRL she started WITP where we have her shown - at Bombay.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/3/2007 8:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		In EOS, the Chitose has 3 Airgroups and I guess, that one of them should be on another Carrier.

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RE: RHS 6 & 7.7862 uploaded - 11/4/2007 12:09:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Level 6.7862 scenarios uploaded to the primary distribution list - and Level 7 seems already to have been posted - except for RHSPPO - which I failed to upload. It was uploaded with the Level 6 files just now. Level 5 will delay to permit time for people to empty mailboxes - but it is done and will upload after I return from work - plus 10 hours.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/4/2007 12:12:08 AM   
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In EOS, the Chitose has 3 Airgroups and I guess, that one of them should be on another Carrier.


I just checked. In all three levels at x.7862 there are only two Chitose air groups.

Now if you look at the files - rather than the carrier - you may see more. There are two seaplane carrier squadrons and two CVL type squadrons - but only one set should be active in any given scenario.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/4/2007 12:30:02 AM   
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I can't find this myself, now.


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RE: RHS 5, 6 & 7.7862 uploaded - 11/4/2007 11:53:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Level 5 file sets uploaded to primsry distribution list.

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RE: RHS x.7862 comprehensive plan at end - 11/4/2007 11:54:27 AM   
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strange...
I can't find this myself, now.



It must be we are looking at different files. Look at the comment file: what is its number? Tell me the scenario and level and comment file number.

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