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RE: RIDERS ON THE STORM - Hoepner (A) vs. Trollelite(J) - 11/25/2007 7:00:23 AM   
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Japan is the dominate player PC, the allies are slaved to the Japanese players settings. And I don't think you can change the database of a scenario once it is started, so changing the map mid-game may cause real trouble for you.

Jim


It should be OK to change the map data file, but only if BOTH players change it. So this should be coordinated with the Japanese player.

Of course if you propose to the Japanese player that you both use the 6.3 map data file, and he refuses, that might indicate his preference for Aden NOT to be an urban hex...

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RE: RIDERS ON THE STORM - Hoepner (A) vs. Trollelite(J) - 11/25/2007 10:15:22 PM   
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RE: RIDERS ON THE STORM - Hoepner (A) vs. Trollelite(J) - 11/28/2007 11:06:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well going for Aden at all would be extremely gamey. It was made to give the Allied player some realistic relief in case they get Pzb-ed, and that's what it is for. He's not even supposed to strike it...
I would be disappointed by Trolle if he goes as far as considering invading the place...

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RE: RIDERS ON THE STORM - Hoepner (A) vs. Trollelite(J) - 11/29/2007 9:35:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi all, Trollelite should get back in action this week end....let'shope to get back to fight asap!

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BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/1/2007 8:27:18 AM   
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Hi, finally we're back into the heart of action!
The struggle for India goes on...

Nothing much happened during this turn.
He keeps concentrating his forces at Tric., while dozens of ships come up from Singapore...the whole IJA is moving towards India!
We started to move back slowly to our planned retro-bases. Bombay must be secured asap, along with Delhi and Karachi.
What really puzzles me is the number of losses for my planes on Naval search...also today, keeping them at 26,600 fts i've lost 43 planes due to A2A causes....i'm forced to keep my bombers down, no matter what altitude i set them...they simply get kicked out of the skies...he must have hundreds of zeros parked at Tricomale...

This game trills me a lot!!!!

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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 11,25

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 39
Ki-21-II Sally x 184
Ki-49 Helen x 49

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 24 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Albacore: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 98



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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/1/2007 4:18:05 PM   
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Another bad day for the brits...
Japanese CVs stationed at Tricomale launched a Huge strike against Mannargudi AF...only 18 planes of mine took off and didn't manage to score a single hit...all of them are wiped out of the sky...then the evil enemy's planes smashed the AF, closing it and destroying more 30 planes on the ground. I cannot stand anymore these heavy daily losses...had to remove back my squadrons from the first line, while the backbone of my armies are falling back to the planned defensive positions... Few days and Colombo will fall...after that it will be only a matter of time for a major landing in India! Burma is slowly being evacuated..hope to manage to save some units from there...

Some uncoordinated Nells strikes took of from Tricomale in order to smash my AKs at Madras...good to know the zeros aren't with them...we chewed up some nells in the process
My subs keep on attacking his reinforcements TFs heading to Tricomale from Singapore...another AP full of troops goes down

2 more weeks and we'll start a brand new operation called "Philippinian Raphsody"...hope to force him to move some of his precious assets from Indian adventure....


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Sub attack at 17,30

Japanese Ships
AP Jinshu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AP Chinko Maru
PG Zuiko Maru
PG Toyotsu Maru
PG Daido Maru
PG Chokai Maru

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Madras at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 9

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Hurricane IIb x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 damaged
Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Sibigo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Empire Activity

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Day Air attack on TF, near Madras at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Hurricane IIb x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Madras at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 16
Hurricane IIb x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged


Allied Ships
AK Gorgon

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Day Air attack on Madurai , at 13,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
D3A2 Val x 86
B5N2 Kate x 166
Ki-15 Babs x 1

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 10 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 9 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 destroyed
CW-22 Falcon: 2 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 81






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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/1/2007 8:09:14 PM   
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OUCH! Japanese Naval and air forces wiped out the RAF from Southern India...Madras has been closed today with 2 naval bombardment runs and the usual strike of KB...lost nerly 100 planes and now the situation is really really really grimm.
My only hope is to have the time to flow back...

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TF 43 encounters mine field at Madras (17,21)

Japanese Ships
DD Shiokaze, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack at 16,31

Japanese Ships
AK Shozan Maru, Shell hits 6, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Argonaut

Japanese ground losses:
92 casualties reported

My subs are fighting even when the torps are finished!
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ASW attack at 17,30

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 32
PC Ch 18
PC Ch 17
PC Ch 13
PC Takunan Maru #5
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Shonan Maru #6
APD Patrol Boat No. 39
APD Patrol Boat No. 38
APD Patrol Boat No. 37
APD Patrol Boat No. 36
APD Patrol Boat No. 35
APD Patrol Boat No. 34
APD Patrol Boat No. 33
APD Patrol Boat No. 32
APD Patrol Boat No. 31

Allied Ships
SS Sturgeon, hits 6

He sent his ASW TFs to clear the route towards Singapore...Sturgeon got hit but he should survive
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Naval bombardment of Mannargudi, at 15,22

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu
DD Asagumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Arashio
DD Michishio
DD Oshio
DD Asashio
DD Hagikaze
DD Arashi
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Yukikaze
CL Tama
CL Kuma
CL Abukuma
CL Yura


Allied ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 4

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 3
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 1 destroyed

8 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CA Nachi
CA Haguro, Shell hits 1
CA Myoko
CA Chikuma
CA Tone, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
AK Zaandam, Shell hits 1


Allied ground losses:
1777 casualties reported
Guns lost 52
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 22
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 5

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao

Allied Ships
AK Zaandam, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
687 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 15
Port hits 20
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 7

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kinugasa
CA Aoba
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami

Allied Ships
AK Zaandam, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
730 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 22
Port hits 22
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Mannargudi, at 15,22

Japanese Ships
DD Sagiri
DD Ayanami
DD Shikinami
DD Uranami
DD Isonami
DD Usugumo
CL Isuzu
CL Nagara
CL Naka
CL Sendai
CL Natori
CL Jintsu


Allied ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 8
Port supply hits 4

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Day Air attack on Madras , at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 23
D3A2 Val x 41
B5N2 Kate x 153
E13A1 Jake x 1

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 4
Hurricane IIb x 3
P-40B Tomahawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed, 12 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 9 destroyed
Hurricane IIb: 2 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 4 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 5 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 3 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 135


Oh guys...The indian Campaign is going to be a real pain....




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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/1/2007 11:59:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
Oh guys...The indian Campaign is going to be a real pain....



I feel your pain, the allies have no chance against that much Imperial power so soon in the game.

Realistically there were lots of Indian troops that were available to fight in India that are not in the game’s OOB for play balance reasons.

Perhaps the CHS crew should look into including them and treating them like the fixed Corps in China. It would definitely make India a more realistic campaign if there were Indian Colonial forces in every base hex in India.

Jim


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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/2/2007 4:12:16 PM   
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Yes Jim...India is really undefended...the country is so big and the allies have so few forces....

Today was another day of slughter...Madras is now a smoking ruin and more 40 allied planes lay in pieces on the AFs...

He will probably land here...in order to provide a level 4 AF asap for his planes...really do not know how to handle him if not falling back...
I rebased my planes at Karachi,Bombay and Delhi...but he simply outnumber me 10-1 in terms of planes...how can i hope to handle him??


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TF 62 encounters mine field at Madras (17,21)

Japanese Ships
DD Natsugumo
BB Nagato, Mine hits 1
DD Akebono
DD Akatsuki

At least the VH2 mines keep on hurting his fleet
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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Furutaka
CA Chokai
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Takao


Allied ground losses:
935 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 19
Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 7

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Naval bombardment of Madras, at 17,21


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 2 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Hyuga
BB Mutsu
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
1183 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 14
Port hits 11
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 8

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Day Air attack on Madras , at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
D3A2 Val x 48
B5N2 Kate x 155
E13A1 Jake x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 52

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Day Air attack on Madras , at 17,21

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 63
G4M1 Betty x 65
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 30
Ki-21-II Sally x 127
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 damaged
Ki-21-II Sally: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 84




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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/2/2007 6:03:30 PM   
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how can i hope to handle him??


Your only hope is to try and find a situation like I have in Australia at Alice Springs. I have ground troops at Tennant Creek that will dig forts and defend, and my air force from Alice Springs will bomb Japan if he enters Tennant Creek with land forces. Otherwise I will not engage his air forces, even if he pounds my units daily at Tennant Creek. Sure an ambush LRCAP once in a while when I get some decent fighters, but allied air cannot stand up to Japanese air toe to toe for at least a year, so the best you can do is fight from second line bases.

For now I concede forward air superiority to him everywhere but Burma. I’d recommend you do the same, don’t put any aircraft within range of escorted strikes. Use you planes to disrupt his attacking units from rear area bases.

That’s about the best you can hope for, and once he’s within range of your last airbase in India, you can expect your airforce to get wiped out very quickly. So turn off replacements for your air groups as your perimeter shrinks and you lose the ability to hide in the rear.

Burma is a unique situation, the Brits have enough fighters to contest the air here basically because Japan only has so many airfields and planes right now. With our stacking limits HR (50 per point of airbase), I actually outnumber his fighters on most of his attacks. I'm still losing, but at least I can cause him some damage in Burma, so the losses are worth it.

Once Singapore is gone though, a large bomber force will slaughter my fighters on the ground and I'll have to concede the air in Burma as well. Unfortunately for you, he already has those bombers available, and I don’t think you have the 10 or so Hurricane groups I do yet, so you’re totally outclassed.

Jim


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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/2/2007 10:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must admit Gen, that this really is an exciting game. Too many times have we seen the historical pace to these AARs. Sure, some people here will point out the "gameiness" to some of the opening moves but it is a game and it's good to see someone doing something different! That being said, just don't let your opponent "whine" you to death. It is a game and you have to take the bad with the good.

You should look at striking fast in the Central and South Pacific. With a majority of his forces in India, it won't be well defended. Once he conquers India, he will relocate his forces to find that you've entrenched yourself. Don't forget to use those Aussie Divisions. You can reinforce Port Moresby and possibly even retake Lunga before he has a chance to entrench.

And one other thing I noticed, he has done a few "suicide" invasions. This can only be guessed to be recon missions. You have a HR about sub invasions for recon, does that cover suicide transport invasions?


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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 1:46:14 AM   
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Thanks guys, i agree with you Jim: my only hope is to exchange space with time and hope for something that can save me!
Skrewball: yes, i'm enjoying this game a lot, despite some problems we had at the beginning. It's a great game, very challenging and interesting. It's gonna be fun....

A very quiet turn today. Nothing happened. Very few air missions flown.
However i'm already moving some 72 (P-40s B and E)fighters and some 80 bombers (B-17s and B-25s)towards China. They will be moved to PI in the next 2 weeks. Soon we'll start to threaten his backlines...let's see if this will force him to move some air assets back from India...let's hope.
At the same time i keep on moving men and things to PH in order to be ready for the Marshalls operation. Let's say in a month i should be ready...i need to hold him in India till that time...


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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 9:05:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, forgot to say that i've lost 2 more subs in the Colombo area. Both were ducth subs...as soon as he places his Vals on naval search my subs are toasted if they're around...now i only have 6 operative subs in Indian area...a very tiny force...the good news is that most of his subs moved back to port...it has become too dangerous for him to patrol the waters from Karachi to Colombo in the last turns due to the massive effort made by RAF in order to hunt those bastards down...

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 1:55:10 PM   
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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 2:12:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		And this is the ship-sunk screen...as you can see a part from a BB sunk on turn 1 at Singapore, losses are very similar...both fleets are more or less intact and that's a victory, thus a minor one, for the allies




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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 2:15:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking forward to Troll's reaction to your PI bombing missions. If at the least he diverts air resources from india, expecially fighters, you may have scored a strategic victory of sorts that may allow your bombers in India to start inflicting damage

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 2:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes Jonathan, he will be forced to divert some fighters for sure, in order to provide some defences for his bases at Formosa...but, above all, if he wants to defend his supply-oil routes from DEI to Japan he will have to close my AFs in the PI...and to close them he needs to bring some hundreds of bombers to Formosa...that will surely make some problems for his bombing campaign in India...

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 3:42:58 PM   
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Yes Jonathan, he will be forced to divert some fighters for sure, in order to provide some defences for his bases at Formosa...but, above all, if he wants to defend his supply-oil routes from DEI to Japan he will have to close my AFs in the PI...and to close them he needs to bring some hundreds of bombers to Formosa...that will surely make some problems for his bombing campaign in India...



And when he does that it'll be just in time for you to open up a third front

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/3/2007 7:12:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		He might not divert. He may be trying for a really really quick victory, thinking he can knock you out of India before your PI airforce can do any serious damage.

His economy can last for a few months without resources and oil shipments, or am I wrong?

He turtles up everywhere but India, and goes for the knockout there. Once India is secure, he brings enough firepower back to formosa too subdue PI.

It will be interesting to read about, that's for sure.

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 3:36:15 PM   
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Colombo is going to fall. Tomorrow probably. Today they achieved a 2-1,using 2 full divisions, eng and some Naval infantry units.
His Air force started to pound my undefended units on the southern coast of India. Target is Mannargudi, which is i think the next landing point in India...in order to avoid the CD guns and Madras...
At the same time my units are slowly falling back on the first defensive line (Bombay-Delhi) where i massed and divided my Air force.
Have to play smartly now. the main goal will be to gain time and keep my forces alive...at least untill i can start the two upcoming campaigns in the PI and Marshalls...
My subs in the Bengal Bay are not scoring anymore hits...probably it's time to redeploy them in order to be ready to defend the waters between Aden and Bombay....


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Day Air attack on 44th Indian Brigade, at 15,22 (MANNARGUDI)

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6
Ki-21-II Sally x 184

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
195 casualties reported
Guns lost 5



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Ground combat at Colombo

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 46070 troops, 208 guns, 86 vehicles, Assault Value = 1048

Defending force 15490 troops, 182 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Japanese max assault: 2010 - adjusted assault: 520

Allied max defense: 125 - adjusted defense: 255

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 5)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
2172 casualties reported
Guns lost 26
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
684 casualties reported
Guns lost 18



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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 3:37:31 PM   
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He might not divert. He may be trying for a really really quick victory, thinking he can knock you out of India before your PI airforce can do any serious damage.

His economy can last for a few months without resources and oil shipments, or am I wrong?

He turtles up everywhere but India, and goes for the knockout there. Once India is secure, he brings enough firepower back to formosa too subdue PI.

It will be interesting to read about, that's for sure.


If he doesn't manage to take Aden he could not move back many units to PI, cause he will need to defend his new gained territories in India...quite a risky tactic imho...

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 3:49:54 PM   
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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 7:56:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		As you can see my guess is that he will land either at Trivandum or at Mannargudi, because these are the only two bases that aren't provided with 9.2 CD guns. If he lands here i should have the time to move back in order and estabilish myself on safer positions.
The other option is for a double-landing: one in the SW corner (mannargudi or Trivandum) and the second one at Calcutta-DH area. With this option he'd close the door to Burma and at the same time will conquer some important bases. Problem is that he won't have any nearby base in support so for his landings he will have to rely only on his KB, which is still mighty but nonetheless it's always risky to put your KB very close to 4 mutual supporting enemy's AFs.
The third option, the most un-probable, is a fake landing in the south and a major landing, few days after, on the western coast of India. Bombay is well defended and he won't arrive here unseen. Plus there's always the same problem that without any supporting land base in the nearby he will have to rely only on his KB...but if he comes up here i'll move, in support of land based RAF the RN which is stationed at Karachi and his landings may become really really dangerous...

So what's your guess? What would you do if you were Trollelite now?

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 8:18:01 PM   
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So what's your guess? What would you do if you were Trollelite now?


Have you calculated how many divisions he has available? Assuming he has the forces available, were I him, I'd land in force in the south to draw your strength to me, and then I’d do an end run on Bombay or Karachi to isolate India from Aden's supply fleets. Then I'd destroy the Indian forces in detail by isolating them into small pockets.

But this would take a minimum of 6 divisions plus a lot of other troops, 8-10 divisions would be better. Try to imagine 3 divisions attacking Madras, then 3 divisions land at Bombay. Later 3 more land at Karachi, you get the picture.

Jim


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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 8:50:44 PM   
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Trollelite has already shown a willingness to launch deep thrust offensives, even when outside of LB air.

I rate his chances of doing landings on the west coast of India a little higher than I would your average IJN opponent.

Put a couple high experience Betty groups in Karachi, and they'll sink a crap-ton of stuff coming out of the pipe from Aden. That shipping pipeline makes a nice choke point.

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 8:53:51 PM   
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So what's your guess? What would you do if you were Trollelite now?


Have you calculated how many divisions he has available? Assuming he has the forces available, were I him, I'd land in force in the south to draw your strength to me, and then I’d do an end run on Bombay or Karachi to isolate India from Aden's supply fleets. Then I'd destroy the Indian forces in detail by isolating them into small pockets.

But this would take a minimum of 6 divisions plus a lot of other troops, 8-10 divisions would be better. Try to imagine 3 divisions attacking Madras, then 3 divisions land at Bombay. Later 3 more land at Karachi, you get the picture.

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Jim, i immagine he has everything he can master in India right now. Let's say 8 divisions. But the picture you have put under my attention isn't that realistic imho. With 3 divisions, for example, he cannot hope to conquer Karachi, defended by 500 AVs, 5 forts, urban hex, lots of bombers and A/Cs plus the RN, counting only on his KB as for aerial support...it will be a suicide! Same goes for Bombay, where 500 AVs are already on position. His only hope, imho, is to conquer Bombay by land, using a HUGE ammount of troops....
Well, i can be wrong, obviously, but i really think that if he goes directly for Bombay or Karachi i would have more chances of inflicting him some serious damages...

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 9:00:06 PM   
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Trollelite has already shown a willingness to launch deep thrust offensives, even when outside of LB air.

I rate his chances of doing landings on the west coast of India a little higher than I would your average IJN opponent.

Put a couple high experience Betty groups in Karachi, and they'll sink a crap-ton of stuff coming out of the pipe from Aden. That shipping pipeline makes a nice choke point.


mmm...Karachi is a very risky target...i donot know guys...it really sounds crazy to me to for it directly...consider that the whole RN is there (with 2 CVs, 3 BBs, 10 CA/CLs and some 13 DDs), plus 200 LB planes...then a landing will face a stiff resistance, in a urban hex, with 5 forts, thousands of supplies...maybe i'm too confident,do not know

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/4/2007 9:12:23 PM   
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Well, i can be wrong, obviously,


The strategy I came up with was based on the premise that you first reacted to his southern landings. In other words it's a bait to pull your forces down from Northern India. Your opponent is an adventurous player and I tried to come up with an adventurous plan.

Piling up everything into a death star would work of course, but where's the fun in that. ;-)

Jim

Edit: 3 divisions would almost exceed 2,000 AV, combined with a lot of engineers and other troops, they can easily take Karachi, Bombay, etc with only 500AV defending. There would be a siege of course, but it can be done. Remember your units are very low experience, do not count on them standing up like Japanese troops.

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/5/2007 12:03:44 AM   
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mmm...Karachi is a very risky target...i donot know guys...it really sounds crazy to me to for it directly...consider that the whole RN is there (with 2 CVs, 3 BBs, 10 CA/CLs and some 13 DDs), plus 200 LB planes...then a landing will face a stiff resistance, in a urban hex, with 5 forts, thousands of supplies...maybe i'm too confident,do not know


It sounds crazy to you. But is it too crazy for him?

He has already departed from the standard mold with an invasion of India in January of '42.

Naval assets aside, he has already faced that kind of opposition in Singapore or Java, right? And he trounced them.

I do not know what his plans are. But don't assume that he won't do something because it is something you wouldn't do.

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RE: BACK IN ACTION!!! - 12/5/2007 12:13:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		No Guys, i neither understimate him nor i suppose he won't do something simply because i wouldn't do it.
I'm just sayin' that a direct invasion at Bombay or Karachi would be a total different scenario from what he faced at Singapore, Java or Cylon. In the first two places he had the support of a lot of friendly airfields that could smash my AFs and defend the mighty KB. Plus the air force on which i counted on during these two operations were badly shaped and without any real supplies stock.
At Tricomale, when he landed, he faced only a base force and so he wasn't stopped on the beach, so that he could estabilish early on an operative AF to protect the flow of men and supplies.
While if he goes directly for Bombay or Karachi he will have to use only his KB to protect his landings, while his men will face a stiff resistance and will be surely stopped on the beaches, at least for the first days. This will mean lot of destruption to his units and a deadly risky situation for his Navy.
I can use the RN to threaten his positions and if he doesn't manage to conquer the hex fast, his combined fleet will be in a dangerous position the more every day.
I'm not saying it is not possible. I'm just saying that it will be incredibly risky.


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