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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/17/2008 12:45:36 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		The idea was transfer a USMC Para Bn because they are the only paras you get and a Bn sized force has limited use in the pacific.

But using flying boats from Karachi operating from the bay (no need for an AF for float planes) and subbed in Paratroopers you can land behind the lines in india forcing him to garrison bases in his LOC time it right and if he leaves a port unguarded and your re invasion force aint reinvading its unloading without suffering - its what I did in Malaya against PZB paras grabbed Malacca and the armour unloaded in the port in good shape.

Its a once only trick but if your opponent gets fixated on karachi and doesnt know you have paras in theatre.....

If nothing else taking a base on his LOC will destroy any forts he has built up in the meantime in those bases making re conquest easier.

Also dont be afraid to sacrifice a few Bns worth of India Troops in FT's to reinforce em a few old DD's loaded with some troops unloading into a newly captured port and suddenly he needs to a guard rear area bases weakening him at Karachi.

Pick you spots carefull and a few paras can cause mayhem after he concentrates.

Dont lose your RN Carriers until it gets desperate try to hold on for seafires but make sure you have some fast AK's at Aden 3/3 speed AK's escorted by RN carriers and the Eastern Fleet BB's could resupply Karachi if he genuinelly pulls KB back


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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/17/2008 12:54:49 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		p.s. if you are allowed to use USMC WILDCATS on RN Carriers (I know you are restricted from using Marine Corsairs) well A few sqns of Wildcats on CAP might just be enough to fight a convoy through to Karachi when desperation strikes.

i.e 4 or 5 1 carrier TF's with Wildcats throw in every RN BB CA CL and DD in 8 ship surface combat TF's and as many fast AK's as you can find send em all in.

As long as KB isnt around you could probably fight your way in for minimal losses.

Once you are in and the port protected and your AF is recovering and the army resupplied then he has a problem

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/17/2008 8:58:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		No Wildcats marine group can arrive at Aden unfortunately Andy. The way is closed, even from Oz. He has placed Emilies in the Maldives....and Colombo is full of deadly Betties.
Anyway the paras can be a choice...but even if i switch them to SEAC they will take ...how much? 90 days to arrive at Aden?...wouldn't that be simply too much?
For what concerns RN CVs it really depends on what mr.Churchill is gonna ask back....i'm not gonna pay any PP penality right now cause i need those PPs to give to my pacific front enough flexibility to deploy more forces in CENTPAC and in Oz.
However the seafires will be really welcomed!...but again, with Malir in his hands Karachi's harbour isn't a safe place for the RN to arrive. 3 hexes away is simply too close! I'll have hordes of betties and land based kates, escorted by hundreds of fighters flying over my ships...
I'm thinking of a sneaky operation towards Cylon, passing just beside the Aden Channell...just at 10 hexes from the closest enemy AFs...this way his zeros will fly at ext range and maybe, with some bad weather helping us, we could move southwards, forcing him to redeploy his air force in southern India, thus leaving to Karachi AF a chance of recovering... however it will take some time to organize it...hope this week end Trollelite will be sending more replies...

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/17/2008 7:44:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		In RHS scenario I am playing (CVO 5.something), Aden does not have a repair yard.

This means I have to send my (RN Eastern Fleet) ships to be repaired elsewhere, on map. (Karachi, Bombay, Columbo, Tric, Diamond Harbor, Perth all have small yards.)

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/19/2008 9:49:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aden produces 50 repair points...

The game's on hold for the moment guys
Trollelite has some RL problems so we simply have to wait and hope...

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/19/2008 7:34:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The turn finally has arrived but Trollelite didn't say anything if he solved his RL problems or not, so i do not know if the game in on pace again...

However the movement we've been waiting in China didn't occur this turn...we'll have to wait probably another day...

Facing the fact that the KB has probably gone back from India i post-poned the SummerBird operation (the conquest of Marcus Isl.), being too risky and too far away from any of my bases so that i'd have to count only on my CVs....with the KB around that cannot be done!

Instead i've diverted the 2nd USMC Div to plan for Ponape Atoll.
2 More US RCTs are prepping for this tasks.
The idea is that, being so close to Truk, he cannot simply let me conquer it without committing, at least in a attrition air battle.
As soon as Eniwetok arrives at AF 4, we'll start bombing it. Then, when it will be plastered enough, my 4Es will have to start bombing Truk.
At the same time, i'm starting to mass any available fast transport ship for the task. We cannot, obviuosly, think to simply use normal transport, because the 200 Betties that are at Truk will kick my arse out of the globe! We'll try to pound enough the 2 units present there using bombardment runs and air bombing, then we'll try to sneak an entire division in one night....will be a serious task!
However his KB will be the real problem...but i'll have 4 fully operational CVs with me and Eniwetok full of 4Es and fighters...quite risky also for his precious KB! that we've seen at Karachi that it's not so invincible!






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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/19/2008 7:36:22 PM   
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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/19/2008 7:44:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thx Andy.
Trollelite has 2 options.Let me in Ponape (which is already 1 port 2 AF) and so facing the growing up of a level 4 base just 6 hexes from its main base in the whole Pacific...
Or trying to stop me, committing his whole pacific air force and possibly the KB.
If he commits i will surely lose many assets, but nothing that can hurt my defences in the Marshalls (the 2nd USMC will be simply substituted by the Americal Division at PH).
I have something like 100 4Es in my hands there, plus some more 250 2Es, that can be moved up and down from Eniwetok to the Marshalls.
Plus i have more than 250 fighters (not very experienced, but numbers do matter!) and 4 CVs that will operate close to Eniwetok so to be able to use the LBA support.
The attrition is inevitable, whatever he does. And the attrition is exactly what i want here.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/20/2008 3:04:04 AM   
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Again another turn of pain...bombings at Karachi and Manila, while Changsha is ready to suffer the first jap attack...


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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed
CW-22 Falcon: 1 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed

19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 6
BB Hyuga
BB Mutsu
BB Kongo


Allied ground losses:
12470 casualties reported
Guns lost 100
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 19

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 12
Ki-21-II Sally x 114
Ki-46-II Dinah x 12

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed
CW-22 Falcon: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 55

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 27
G4M1 Betty x 21
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 35
Ki-48-I Lily x 14
Ki-49 Helen x 17

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 6 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
98 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 15



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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/20/2008 3:30:48 AM   
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Let me in Ponape (which is already 1 port 2 AF) and so facing the growing up of a level 4 base just 6 hexes from its main base in the whole Pacific...


There is a downside to your plan G.H. Ponape is only 5 hexes from Eniwetok, so it is within fighter range for most of your fighters, so you can escort bombing raids on the base. If you take Ponape then none of your fighters can escort bombers on raids against Truk until the P-38’s start to arrive late in 42.

The P-38F’s only have one squadron that uses them and none of your on-map squadrons upgrade to them, so it isn’t really very useful until the other squadrons that use it begin to arrive. Unless of course you’re playing with PDU on.

If you make him fight an attrition war over Ponape, you’ll have much better results than trying to fight him over Truk. In either scenario his fighters can escort his raids, so the choice of whether or not you can escort your raids is the big decision.

Personally I’d wait until late 42 before taking the base. Instead I’d use Ponape as a training ground for my pilots and bomb the daylights out of it every day. Japan will never get it to level 4 and your pilots will become elite pilots in no time.

Jim

Edit: Oops I take it all back. I just realized you do not have a mutually supporting airfield within range of Eniwetok, so it is imperative to take the base to help defend Eniwetok. I guess Kwajalein will have to be your training ground.


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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/20/2008 11:41:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
Let me in Ponape (which is already 1 port 2 AF) and so facing the growing up of a level 4 base just 6 hexes from its main base in the whole Pacific...


There is a downside to your plan G.H. Ponape is only 5 hexes from Eniwetok, so it is within fighter range for most of your fighters, so you can escort bombing raids on the base. If you take Ponape then none of your fighters can escort bombers on raids against Truk until the P-38’s start to arrive late in 42.

The P-38F’s only have one squadron that uses them and none of your on-map squadrons upgrade to them, so it isn’t really very useful until the other squadrons that use it begin to arrive. Unless of course you’re playing with PDU on.

If you make him fight an attrition war over Ponape, you’ll have much better results than trying to fight him over Truk. In either scenario his fighters can escort his raids, so the choice of whether or not you can escort your raids is the big decision.

Personally I’d wait until late 42 before taking the base. Instead I’d use Ponape as a training ground for my pilots and bomb the daylights out of it every day. Japan will never get it to level 4 and your pilots will become elite pilots in no time.

Jim

Edit: Oops I take it all back. I just realized you do not have a mutually supporting airfield within range of Eniwetok, so it is imperative to take the base to help defend Eniwetok. I guess Kwajalein will have to be your training ground.



Yes, true Jim. We're already using Kwalajein as a training camp for my bombers.However the AA there hasn't been annihilated yet and so my fighters cannot really train themself ground attacking...that damned fortress has more nails than what it seemed!
We're keeping the Australian surface fleet in the Marshalls (because the american one is upgrading in PH and SF)...it will try to make some more bombardment runs against Kwalajein in order to soften some more its defences.
Anyway, we're playing with PDU on, so the P-38F will be available as soon as it comes on line. However its terrible replacement rate will mean that only 1 squadron could be upgraded...enough anyway to give him some problems at Truk



AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/27/42

March is ending.
The entire U.S. Pacific fleet is going to be upgraded. Subs also are coming back for a break from the last sub campaign which however hasn't be as effective as i could hope.
The 2nd USMC Div is already being loaded at PH. Destination: Eniwatok! At the same time the Americal Div is unloading at PH. Perfect Timing.
In 6 days we'll recieve the Hornet. Just in time for the next operation against Ponape (scheldued for mid-may 42).

At Karachi more heavy bombings...the supplies dropped to 310,000....the flak is completely out of action and his BBs are coming back again...it's a pain
SS NAwhal was hit and sunk at Karachi.
SS Cachalot is badly hit and will probably sink in the same waters tomorrow.
SS Nautilus has been hit by his bombers based at Malir and it will probably (with some luck) arrive at Aden but will have to stay in port for some time...

Overall the conquest of Malir has made my sub war in the Karachi waters almost impossible. Lost already 9 subs...cannot go on like that.For the moment my subs are ordered to get all back at Aden...waiting for some better times...

In China we are trying to break and interrupt his supply lines...he's surely push me back, but every day that he loses for these ops is a day gained! Anyway he probably can count on some 9,000 AVs at Changsha...simply too much for my 3500 badly experienced AVs...

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 72
Ki-21-II Sally x 39
Ki-48-I Lily x 74
Ki-49 Helen x 46
Ki-15 Babs x 16

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
190 casualties reported

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 13
Runway hits 153

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 22
G4M1 Betty x 16
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 35
Ki-48-I Lily x 13
Ki-49 Helen x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 12 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-48-I Lily: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 5 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 15

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 135
Ki-49 Helen x 70
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 1
P-43A Lancer x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 10 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses


Allied ground losses:
371 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 133

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 89
G4M1 Betty x 94
Ki-49 Helen x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 8 damaged


Allied ground losses:
86 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 102

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Ground combat at Diamond Harbour

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 11592 troops, 0 guns, 320 vehicles, Assault Value = 325

Defending force 9645 troops, 37 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 110

Japanese max assault: 598 - adjusted assault: 510

Allied max defense: 90 - adjusted defense: 178

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0


Japanese ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 6

Allied ground losses:
431 casualties reported
Guns lost 14


DH is about to fall...the whole India now is his...






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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:42:56 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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4x urban multiplier x I assume lvl 9 forts x4 = x 16 adjusted AV with 310,000 supply it will take a LONG time to get the forts down.

So to get 1:1 he will neeed 16,000 AV for every 1,000 you have in defence.

And I assume you will at some stage be able to land behind him or reinforce the harbour.

The whole Japanese Army will be stuck in India for years....

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:51:14 AM   
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lol he is so screwed at karachi

4x urban multiplier x I assume lvl 9 forts x4 = x 16 adjusted AV with 310,000 supply it will take a LONG time to get the forts down.

So to get 1:1 he will neeed 16,000 AV for every 1,000 you have in defence.

And I assume you will at some stage be able to land behind him or reinforce the harbour.

The whole Japanese Army will be stuck in India for years....



Remember, most allied units have less than 50 experience and 25-40 morale or so right now. So the AV won't be near as high as you might think. G.H. needs to last until his units get into the 70+ experience range and 60+ morale before the urban forts will make his units unassailable. I'd say the next two months are the critical time, if he can last that long Karachi should be able to hold indefinitely after that.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:52:11 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Attack everywhere you can he is committed to India for the long haul.

Stretch him out attack in SWPAC, attack in CENTPAC, attack in NAUS he is going to be hurting for garrison units and will not have had time to fortify every base yet.

Timor could be retaken.

Position AK's and invasion forces in each area once you know where KB is attack somewhere else make sure you have a few DIvs available in each theatre and staccato attack accross the front every base you retake now places more bases in range that he needs to cover when you get P38's

You dont need to go deep but attacking in places like North Aus - Timor - Kendari or PM - Lae - Aitape will pay long term dividends dig into a forward position ecause 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. He will give up on Karachi and pull troops out for localised counterattacks and garrison duties.
or
2. He will fixated on an impregnable base and lose the war as you bite off strategic bases.

The India gambit is a fools errand it only pays off if you take the whole place failing to take it leaves you weak everywhere else.

PZB got away with it because of shock and awe tactics and because it was the first now its a trap.


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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:54:07 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Agreed but the Japanese will struggle to keep a large army supplied up there.

GH make sure all leaders are top notch at both HQ and large LCU level.

Andy

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 2:03:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Position AK's and invasion forces in each area once you know where KB is attack somewhere else make sure you have a few DIvs available in each theatre and staccato attack accross the front every base you retake now places more bases in range that he needs to cover when you get P38's



Good advice IMO. He can still concentrate more force than you anywhere he wants to, but as stretched as he is he certainly can't do that everywhere. There has to be additional opportunities out there for you.

The only thing I'd add is that I'd specifically suggest looking at New Guinea. You seem to have a good position there already and there's a ton of potential airbases for you there - particularly in CHS. It's a dagger aimed straight at the Philippines.

quote:

The India gambit is a fools errand it only pays off if you take the whole place failing to take it leaves you weak everywhere else.


I also agree. I'm sure it must be painful losing so much of India, but you have an extremely good position in the Pacific. The Brits can help the war effort by diverting forces to that theater, but it's the USN in the Pacific that will win the war for you. You're already 2 years ahead of schedule there.

Well, good luck! Fun AAR to read.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 10:19:36 AM   
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Things are proceding as planned.
In India the usual naval and air bombings at Karachi. However the supply situation remains stable. 310,000 supplies and the AVs still at 2590. I had to retire my whole sub fleet at Aden, after losing 3 subs with 2 more that will hardly save themself.... his ASW is really beginning to hurt!
In China he keeps on massing his troops at Changsha and at the same time bombs the hell out of it using a big mass of bombers, heavily escorted by zeros and oscars. We tried an ambush with some 20 P-40s but we dound ourself involved only with a bunch of oscars on sweep mission. Resulting a draw.
In the pacific we've redeployed our pacific fleet between PH and the West Coast, waiting for the upgrades of April.
At the same time we're massing our troops at Eniwatok, and transfering more units, planes and stuff to the Marshalls...

At Luzon he landed more 350 AVs at Naga, in order to deny me every resources center in the Luzon island, so to starve quickly my PI garrison...

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ASW attack at 19,10 *near Bombay*

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 32
PC Ch 18
PC Ch 17
PC Ch 13
PC Takunan Maru #5
PC Shonan Maru #17
PC Shonan Maru #6
PC Kyo Maru #12
PC Gamitsu Maru #1
PC Fumi Maru
APD Patrol Boat No. 39

Allied Ships
SS KXII, hits 11, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
CA Kako
CA Kinugasa
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
CA Ashigara
CA Nachi
CA Haguro
CA Myoko


Allied ground losses:
2650 casualties reported
Guns lost 45
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Coastal Guns at Naga, 44,53, firing at TF 106
TF 106 troops unloading over beach at Naga, 44,53


187 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PG Yoshida Maru, Shell hits 4

Japanese ground losses:
1105 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 15
Ki-21-II Sally x 135
Ki-46-II Dinah x 12

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 1
P-43A Lancer x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 2 destroyed, 20 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged
P-43A Lancer: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
122 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 43

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 23

Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged


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Ground combat at Diamond Harbour

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 11488 troops, 0 guns, 314 vehicles, Assault Value = 319

Defending force 9105 troops, 29 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 101

Japanese max assault: 588 - adjusted assault: 680

Allied max defense: 83 - adjusted defense: 91

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Diamond Harbour base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
544 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 22

Allied ground losses:
11752 casualties reported
Guns lost 19

So the whole Bangladesh is now in his hands....
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/29/42



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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 90
G4M1 Betty x 90

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 1
P-43A Lancer x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 3 destroyed, 11 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
171 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 41



AMAZING! Despite replacements are off since Feb some brave guys at Karachi managed to put in function again a pair of fighters and took off shooting down a pair of enemy bandits! WOW

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 34
Ki-48-I Lily x 69
Ki-15 Babs x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-I Lily: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 45

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Day Air attack on Changsha , at 45,37

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 72
Ki-21-II Sally x 33
Ki-48-I Lily x 68
Ki-49 Helen x 48
Ki-15 Babs x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-I Lily: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
102 casualties reported

Airbase hits 17
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 138



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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 93
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 32 damaged


Allied ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 29



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Ground combat at Naga

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 9570 troops, 91 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 344

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 562 - adjusted assault: 307

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 307 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Naga base !!!





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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 10:21:23 AM   
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lol he is so screwed at karachi

4x urban multiplier x I assume lvl 9 forts x4 = x 16 adjusted AV with 310,000 supply it will take a LONG time to get the forts down.

So to get 1:1 he will neeed 16,000 AV for every 1,000 you have in defence.

And I assume you will at some stage be able to land behind him or reinforce the harbour.

The whole Japanese Army will be stuck in India for years....


Andy, forts at Karachia re at 6...so it will take less time for him to reduce the forts.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 10:25:11 AM   
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Remember, most allied units have less than 50 experience and 25-40 morale or so right now. So the AV won't be near as high as you might think. G.H. needs to last until his units get into the 70+ experience range and 60+ morale before the urban forts will make his units unassailable. I'd say the next two months are the critical time, if he can last that long Karachi should be able to hold indefinitely after that.

Jim


My 2 best units (the 7th AIF div and the 18th UK Div) are experienced and with high morale (90-90 and 56-60).
Most of the Indian units have a good morale, above 50.
It will all depends on ho long will my supplies last....


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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 10:30:57 AM   
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Attack everywhere you can he is committed to India for the long haul.

Stretch him out attack in SWPAC, attack in CENTPAC, attack in NAUS he is going to be hurting for garrison units and will not have had time to fortify every base yet.

Timor could be retaken.

Position AK's and invasion forces in each area once you know where KB is attack somewhere else make sure you have a few DIvs available in each theatre and staccato attack accross the front every base you retake now places more bases in range that he needs to cover when you get P38's

You dont need to go deep but attacking in places like North Aus - Timor - Kendari or PM - Lae - Aitape will pay long term dividends dig into a forward position ecause 1 of 2 things will happen.

1. He will give up on Karachi and pull troops out for localised counterattacks and garrison duties.
or
2. He will fixated on an impregnable base and lose the war as you bite off strategic bases.

The India gambit is a fools errand it only pays off if you take the whole place failing to take it leaves you weak everywhere else.

PZB got away with it because of shock and awe tactics and because it was the first now its a trap.


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Sorry Andy but i have to disagree here. I Simply cannot attack everywhere. Too few units at the moment.
I've decided for two different attack vectors.
The first one will be obviously the centpac one. The strategy is simple: attack Truk using 4Es from Eniwatok. At the same time conquer Ponape and start to build the base. Sooner or later Truk will be obliterated as Kwalajein has been, and as Kwalajein it will be by-passed. He will probably committ the KB here. the attrition battle is what we're looking for.
The second one will start from Darwin. I'm just massing supplies at the moment. Simply do not have enough units to sustain these two fronts at the same time. I guess for the second half of the year we'll start the advance from here, but not before.


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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 11:55:02 AM   
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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:09:58 PM   
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While your estimations re your attack potential are absolutely right I would suggest small scale actions in different areas, say New Guinea and DEI just to throw him out balance and force to divert units for garrison duties. All you need for this is a battalion of infantry and some transport means (DDs preferably). Think asymmetrical warfare :)


mmm....probably you're right.
I have at Darwin a small surface fleet (8 DDs and 2 CLs) and a lot of units (a total of 1600 AVs), attached to Anzac or Oz HQs...
i could easily mass in 2 months enough PPs to release a small infantry unit and attack a place like Ambonia, where at the moment there's only a base force and nothing more...
Yes, think it can be done. Fast transport TFs and some missions by the 36 4Es i have at Darwin...yes, i'll put this litle plan on my scheldue! Thx!
Ambonia could be also a very interesting point from where to start to develop a campaign against Palau and/or Mindanao...

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:18:31 PM   
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Ambonia could be also a very interesting point from where to start to develop a campaign against Palau and/or Mindanao...


I wouldn't count on holding it...
But you can surely annoy the japanese and reduce the raw material output. And after such a raid he might feel the need to better garrison other bases which in turn takes AV away he could project elsewhere.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:21:34 PM   
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Ambonia could be also a very interesting point from where to start to develop a campaign against Palau and/or Mindanao...


I wouldn't count on holding it...
But you can surely annoy the japanese and reduce the raw material output. And after such a raid he might feel the need to better garrison other bases which in turn takes AV away he could project elsewhere.



I do not count of holding it. However it depends on how long Karachi holds...at the moment all his major units are in India and some 1000 Naval AVs are at Luzon. Considring that there are 12 units trapped at Kwalajein and more 20 massed at truk he really has nothing on hands at the moment...and if Karachi holds all those divisions won't bother me for some time...however my goal is to advance in the CENTPAC at the moment and force him to an attrition battle!

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:30:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		So thats 2,600 AV in Karachi x 4 (city) x 3 (Forts) = 12x 2,600 so he needs about 30,000 AV to get 1:1 assuming no disruption or morale failures and assuming no HQ bonuses.

And you have 310,000 supolies stockpiled ?

Even if his engineers knock down all the forts he will need more than 10,000 AV for 1:1 just because of terrain and 20,000 for 2:1....into the teeth of massed British and India Artillery lol

No chance keep him focussed on trying to take karachi if you can because he has NO chance of taking the City and stomp all over hime everywhere else.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:43:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Marcus-Iwo Jima. Currently he probably has only the starting garrison on Marcus and Iwo might have nothing at all. Take Marcus and then land on Iwo with an RCT and Two BF and a EAB. Bring a transports with just supplies say 10000 in 5 or 6 AK's. Then build airfield and bomb Japan. It is bold but it is also doable. He will have to react to it and you can dictate the battle by saturating the area with subs.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 12:55:15 PM   
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Not because you need to but because losing the odd AK may decieve him i.e. your  apparent desperate attempts to resupply the port may keep him more interested when in fact you don't need to....

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 1:01:49 PM   
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p.s. I would run the occasional single AK supply TF to Karachi...

Not because you need to but because losing the odd AK may decieve him i.e. your  apparent desperate attempts to resupply the port may keep him more interested when in fact you don't need to....

Andy

I like this!!!!! It's sneaky and underhanded. In short it's brilliant.

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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 1:41:44 PM   
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Marcus-Iwo Jima. Currently he probably has only the starting garrison on Marcus and Iwo might have nothing at all. Take Marcus and then land on Iwo with an RCT and Two BF and a EAB. Bring a transports with just supplies say 10000 in 5 or 6 AK's. Then build airfield and bomb Japan. It is bold but it is also doable. He will have to react to it and you can dictate the battle by saturating the area with subs.


At Marcus there are at least 2 units.
At Iwo he surely has fortified it because it already gained level 4 AF...that means he's focusing on it.

No Okami, i won't go overconfident. He surely has the KB in the Pacific by now. Won't go beyond my limits. The move might be bold, but at this stage i'm in a too good position to risk my whole fleet.
I'll stick to the original plan. Surely less bold but also more concrete and more doable.
At Iwo, being at level 4AF he can move hundreds of Betties in 1/2 turns...



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RE: Final days of Karachi...the doom is near - 1/21/2008 1:42:18 PM   
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p.s. I would run the occasional single AK supply TF to Karachi...

Not because you need to but because losing the odd AK may decieve him i.e. your apparent desperate attempts to resupply the port may keep him more interested when in fact you don't need to....

Andy



Yes, great advice! It won't cost me anything and can be interesting!

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