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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 2:37:14 AM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.








Yep, got this in RHS.

antiquated as all get out. I mean how can you not afford to at least enclose the cockpit. . However, IMHO, still not as ugly as some of the French bombers. I'm a little surprised the Italians don't have one in the list, or that no one has suggested the B-18





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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 2:40:53 AM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 4:59:11 AM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.


I'm sure Uncle Joe would have been understanding.



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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 6:10:46 AM   
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"What if SPATACUS had had a Piper Cub?"

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 12:55:11 PM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.


It carried up to 4000kg+ of bombs though, and that was back in 1932.. when the B-17 wasn't even on the drawing boards.

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 2:38:43 PM   
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Hi all,

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Dornier Do17





What's wrong with Do-17 (aka "Flying pencil")?

Effective yes, pretty...no



Well... I always thought that Do-17 is very nice and aestetically and aerodynamically pleasing...


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Those other models are definetly pleasing to the eye and sharp.....but those first generation Do-17's w/ that "Cranium" of a cockpit, looks ridicolous

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 3:31:18 PM   
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...but the question is what is the ugliest bomber and on looks I think the 24 beats out the 17....let me phrase that better, on looks I think the 24 looks better than the 17.


I've seen a B-17G up close at our local airport; its huge wings give it enormous lift as it just seems to float off the runway, and their (almost) eliptical shape is reminicent of the Spitfire.

In short, the B-17 looks like an airplane, while the B-24 -- the "workhorse" of all bombers -- was built to specs w/o any consideration of what an aircraft is supposed to look like; the Lib is totally functional, but w/o any aerodynamic esthetics. In fact, the B-24's rectangular design reminds me of the Desert Storm stealth fighter; and it flies like one too.

Pilots didn't call the Lib the "packing box" for the B-17 for nothing.


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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 4:24:55 PM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 5:08:13 PM   
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Don't have a picture handy, but shouldn't the slab-sided, drooped-chinned, British Whitley get a mention

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 6:26:45 PM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 6:29:05 PM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 7:56:50 PM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.

I suspect the workmen had to "sneak up on it" to build it.
BTW, the Soviet paratoopers laid on the top of the wing and held onto handles. Once ready to drop, they let go and rolled back over those broad wings and fell off the plane!

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 8:04:25 PM   
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Don't have a picture handy, but shouldn't the slab-sided, drooped-chinned, British Whitley get a mention

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Whitley





THANK YOU SIR. I think this certainly deserves an "honorable mention" in the contest.

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 8:54:37 PM   
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Why no one mentioned italian SM-79 and SM-81? ;)

I actually thought the SM 79 was kind of cool looking - in a funky sort of way...




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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 8:57:44 PM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.

I suspect the workmen had to "sneak up on it" to build it.
BTW, the Soviet paratoopers laid on the top of the wing and held onto handles. Once ready to drop, they let go and rolled back over those broad wings and fell off the plane!

Well naturally, how else would one jump out (or in this case off) such a work of beauty. ...I've heard stories, though never had it confirmed that some of the USSR paratroops didn't actually have parachutes, but rather bails of hay strapped to their backs

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 9:03:47 PM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.

I suspect the workmen had to "sneak up on it" to build it.
BTW, the Soviet paratoopers laid on the top of the wing and held onto handles. Once ready to drop, they let go and rolled back over those broad wings and fell off the plane!

Well naturally, how else would one jump out (or in this case off) such a work of beauty. ...I've heard stories, though never had it confirmed that some of the USSR paratroops didn't actually have parachutes, but rather bails of hay strapped to their backs


Yeah - we discussed this on the THREAD - they bundled the paratroopers up in bales of hay and dumped them out at low altitude into deep snow... operational survival was said to be around 50%, however, details are scanty, and i don't have the book my old wargamer buddy read me the quote from. We (Threadians) tried to get MYTHBUSTERS to look at it, but they never replied (afaik).

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 9:26:22 PM   
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Tupolev TB-3. It must have been damn cold in those open cockpits.







Mary Mother of God that is ugly! I think the factory workers should have refused to build it.

I suspect the workmen had to "sneak up on it" to build it.
BTW, the Soviet paratoopers laid on the top of the wing and held onto handles. Once ready to drop, they let go and rolled back over those broad wings and fell off the plane!


This was discussed a few months ago on the fount of all knowledge (the THREAD) - this plane is stanger than it looks! There were gunners located in the inboard engine nacelles, and at one point the plane was powered by diesel engines (!!?!). The one big raid by this version on German positions featured a 60% loss rate, almost all due to engine failures, although "friendly fighters" shot down one (apparently as an aesthestic protest).

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/18/2007 10:37:14 PM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 2:24:55 AM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 2:35:03 AM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 2:35:22 AM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 3:09:55 AM   
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Not a Bomber but very strange all the same







I have had a model of this lying in the cupboard for several years now, I must get round to building it one day

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 5:05:01 AM   
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I think your pic has been shortened a bit, the plane was a bit sleeker

The Bombay was a Bomber/Transport and saw action in the Western Desert as a bomber and for a few years as a Transport

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 2:04:55 PM   
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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 2:09:45 PM   
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B-25 "Mitchell" is ugliest



You gotta be kidding..., the B-25 is gorgeous. Especially the "gun-ship" models...

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 3:00:05 PM   
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B-25 "Mitchell" is ugliest


Aha... Riiiight...

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 3:43:00 PM   
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B-25 "Mitchell" is ugliest


Aha... Riiiight...



Maybe he meant the ugliest when viewed from the "recieving end"?

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 4:12:15 PM   
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The Vickers Wellesley, designed by Sir Barnes Wallis (At least in part)




...and assisted by his faithful companion, Grommet!

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 6:39:08 PM   
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Has to be the Consolidated B-24 Liberator; it was referred to as the "packing box the B-17 came in."

It was as hard to handle in the air as it was ugly.

What's wrong with the b-24? I'd consider as sleek, or more so than the fortress. Harder to fly maybe, but definitely a sharper looking AC.


The B-17 was a much prettier airplane in my opinion. Sturdier too.

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RE: Ugliest Bomber of WWII - 11/19/2007 6:42:46 PM   
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When Mrs Roosevelt was young, she was a drop dead stunning babe.


Were you dating her?


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