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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 7:05:56 PM   
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the only late-war unit I have created is the Mariniersbrigade

Source: D.C.L. Schoonoord De Mariniersbrigade 1943 - 1949 Wording en Inzet in Indonesie (gives a very detailed TO/E)

delay: 450914 (the Mariniersbrigade became operational at this date)
Commander: COL M.R. de Bruyne





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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 8:35:03 PM   
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What's a Pantserauto?

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 8:41:05 PM   
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armoured car

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 8:52:45 PM   
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Very interesting a lot of these Javan units are to small for their job in AE so will be incorporated into slightly higher units e.g. the Arty Bns are part of the Regt structure etc but its all good stuff

Thansk harald

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 9:03:50 PM   
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quote:

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What's a Pantserauto?


a South African Reconnaissance Car Mk III, 49 - stripped of their armament - were delivered to the DEI. Also known as Marmon Herrington Armored Car. The dutch called them zuidafrikaanse Pantserautos (Pantserauto = armored car) and equipped them with two Vickers MMGs.

this photo was taken in 1946...






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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 9:04:05 PM   
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Hoezee! Nice to see the Netherlands get so much attention! Mooi werk, Harald.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 9:04:57 PM   
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Ah nuts I put them down as MG equipped trucks if they are MH Ard Cars I will need to adjust !!!

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 9:21:48 PM   
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A few differences between my Marine Bde TOE and yours Harald as I assumed 1000% US equipment for th eBde so 155mm Howitzers instead of 25 pounders and a Coy of Marine Combat Engineers plus a few HMG's as the Yanks like their .50 cals and they were equipping and training th eBde....


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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/29/2008 11:42:08 PM   
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quote:

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A few differences between my Marine Bde TOE and yours Harald as I assumed 1000% US equipment for th eBde so 155mm Howitzers instead of 25 pounders and a Coy of Marine Combat Engineers plus a few HMG's as the Yanks like their .50 cals and they were equipping and training th eBde....




When the Mariniersbrigade had to leave the US, officers/enlisted men of the Artillery Bn were transfered to other units of the Mariniersbrigade. In May 1946 the Artillery Bn was finally deployed, using 25pdrs which were taken over from the British. All units using the disabled devices were not fully operational in 1945 with exception of the Artillery Bn (the 25pdrs) and one engineer coy (the 9 engineer squads). Both became operational in May 1946. Mariniersbrigade never had any combat engineers. HMGs were distributed. I will look after it tomorrow....

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 12:43:53 AM   
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An idle query. Has anyone tested land warfare against the Russians? That seemed to be the area where WitP was most "broken".

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 12:33:57 PM   
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... plus a few HMG's as the Yanks like their .50 cals and they were equipping and training th eBde....




MGs used by the Mariniersbrigade

Recce Coy: 10x .30 Browning M1919A4
3 Infantry Bns each with: 18x .30 Browning M1919A4; 18x .30 Browning M1917A1 (in reserve, carried by Rifle Coy HQ)
Transport Bn: 21x .30 Browning M1919A4; 21x .50 Browning M2
Tank Coy: 6x .30 Browning M1919A4
Heavy Weapons Coy: 12x .30 Browning M1919A4; 10x .50 Browning M2

Now I've put in the missing MGs from the Recce Coy, Tank Coy and the Heavy Weapons Coy; the Browning M2 as AAMG.
I'm not sure what to do with the MGs of the Transport Battalion ...






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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 12:35:05 PM   
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... so 155mm Howitzers instead of 25 pounders ...




the planned Artillery Bn had 75mm Pack Howitzers.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 3:07:09 PM   
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I have tested the russians in as much as I could in that I activated the Russians by mistake in one of the AI v AI games as I was stripping to much out of Manchuria well lets just say the Soviet AI scripts worked rather impressivelly even if I do say so myself <smug grin> It took about 60 - 90 days for the Sovuiets to get down to the bottom of Korea....lets just say activating the Soviets even v the AI is not something you want to do lightly.....

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 3:13:42 PM   
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In general HQ level MMG's are used to up the average firepower of squads (this is a consistency issue accross all nations)

So if they are part of say a support Platoon aka weapon coy or platoon we may show them seperately otherwise they are part of squad firepower - comparative TOE/Squads and getting then consistent - was probably the hardest job pre AI in the whiole of AE from a land perspective.

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... plus a few HMG's as the Yanks like their .50 cals and they were equipping and training th eBde....




MGs used by the Mariniersbrigade

Recce Coy: 10x .30 Browning M1919A4
3 Infantry Bns each with: 18x .30 Browning M1919A4; 18x .30 Browning M1917A1 (in reserve, carried by Rifle Coy HQ)
Transport Bn: 21x .30 Browning M1919A4; 21x .50 Browning M2
Tank Coy: 6x .30 Browning M1919A4
Heavy Weapons Coy: 12x .30 Browning M1919A4; 10x .50 Browning M2

Now I've put in the missing MGs from the Recce Coy, Tank Coy and the Heavy Weapons Coy; the Browning M2 as AAMG.
I'm not sure what to do with the MGs of the Transport Battalion ...







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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 3:21:46 PM   
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the MMG's that are part of the Sections Firepower are ignored as well they are incorporated in unit firepower. so an MMG or LMG at Platton level is not counted as a device but is part for the Squad firepower (one reason why US Squad firepower is so high the other being the Garand etc)





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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 3:25:34 PM   
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MGs used by the Mariniersbrigade

Recce Coy: 10x .30 Browning M1919A4

(They would count as 5 x MMG Sections)

3 Infantry Bns each with: 18x .30 Browning M1919A4; 18x .30 Browning M1917A1 (in reserve, carried by Rifle Coy HQ)

Ignored and used to increase squad firepower looks like 1 MMG per rifle Squad more or less)

Transport Bn: 21x .30 Browning M1919A4; 21x .50 Browning M2

Depends could be MMG sections or if similar in role to Bren Sections in Brit Support Platoons may require a new squad - given one off nature probably show as 10 x MMG Sections and 10 x AAMG sections


Tank Coy: 6x .30 Browning M1919A4

3 x MMG or AAMG sections

Heavy Weapons Coy: 12x .30 Browning M1919A4; 10x .50 Browning M2

6 x MMG and 5 x HMG Sections

So probably 24 MMG and 5 HMG sections in the TOE

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 4:08:57 PM   
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thx Andy for your detailed explanation

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 7:24:31 PM   
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These are the rules we hammered out over a number of late night skype discussions as I said getting a common rule for all nations was one of the hardest things we did - we all sweated blood over this one !!!!

You can make up your own rules but getting rough comparative Div Assault Value/Firepower out of different nations with totally different equipment and methods of operation  was a real challenge - its the old story the US Divs are very heavy firepower but moderate base AV, Japanese Divs and to some extent CW Divs are high in base AV but low in firepower - even when up to TOE - CW is almost never even close to TOE in first 6 months

A few oddities inevitably slipped in Support Platoon Bren sections for the CW, the 7.7mm MG Sections for the Japanese and the Ma Deuce HMG's for the US

If the Dutch had more units I would maybe be tempted to class those transport Bn units as being more similar to a Support Platoon in a Brit Bn which consisted of basicallly 9 Bren Teams - they are the only LMG's not rolled into squad firepower because they are so distinct instead we represent them as into 9 man 3 Bren weapons sections (so a single Bn has 3 Bren Sections attached to its rifle Companies not rolled into firepower)

But its a hard call you can make up your own rules these are only the ones we chose to use we think they are reasonable and more or less there but the fact is there will always be oddities in doing this kind of thing.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 12/30/2008 9:57:45 PM   
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Your rules are absolutely plausible

hope AE will hit the shelfs soon...

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 1/7/2009 8:09:51 PM   
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Hi, I am new to the forum (just checked it out once in a while to see when the Admirals Edition comes out) but I have been awed by Harald's research on the KNIL. Looking at the USAFFE units a few days ago, I decided to collect a little information to perhaps help out with the Philippines land OOB. Please forgive me if you have already gotten this for the AE version. If anything, perhaps the names of real commanders can be added to the Filipino and US leaders list......

Philippine Army OOB – 1941
I think that the US forces in the Philippines should be represented as accurately as KNIL formations in the Dutch East Indies. The Wikipedia entry on “Battle of the Philippines 1941 – 42” is fairly accurate, but there are some omissions.
Theoretical Philippine Army Infantry Division MTOE – total strength 8600 officers and men. Three x 1400 strong infantry regiments. One x 1260 strong artillery regiment. Engineer, anti-tank, and medical battalions with 5-600 personnel. Also signal, transportation, supply and quartermaster companies.
PA artillery regiments were theoretically organized with a 175 man HHB, one 2.95-inch mountain howitzer battalion with 375 personnel, and two 75-mm M1917 gun battalions (British manufactured weapons of World War One vintage) with 375 officers and men. Most artillery battalions had three 4-gun batteries.
Note on artillery pieces - When United States joined World War 1 in 1917, the field artillery weapons used by the small Army it had, were almost all outdated. Only somewhat modern field artillery piece in its disposal was US designed 4.7-inch field cannon M1906. To equip their expanding artillery force, American military commanders decided to acquire large number of new field artillery, which were either manufactured abroad or were foreign designs, which US industry started manufacturing. One of these foreign designs manufactured in the US was "75 mm Field Gun M1917 (British)", which essentially was British 84-mm "Ord. QF 18-pdr Gun Mark I" field gun modified to use same ammunition as the French 75-mm "Materiel de 75, Modele 1897" field gun. This combination offered US troops fighting in Europe readily available, reliable and proven gun design with ammunition easily available in large amounts from local sources. The gun had pole trail, recoil system on top of the barrel, gun shield (whose upper and lower parts could both be folded), screw breech and wheel anchors (used to remove last of the recoil). The sight used was dial sight. Unfortunately the chosen design didn't include the latest British improvements, so the recoil system still had hydro/spring buffer/recuperator system. US manufacturers (from which Bethlehem Steel was the largest) made about 1,000 guns, which remained in US arsenals after WW1 ended. The United States sent a number of these guns during the 1930’s to the Philippines at no cost beyond shipping.
The QF 2.95 inch mountain gun was the designation given by the British to a Vickers 75mm gun. It was originally produced for the Egyptian Army. It was taken into British service in the late 19th Century to provide the 'movable armament' at some coaling stations. Also known as 'The Millimetre Gun', it was used by the West African Frontier Force in several theatres in Africa during World War I. The US originally purchased 12 of these guns in 1899 and used them in the Philippine-American War. By 30 June 1904 another 120 guns were purchased. Carriages and pack saddles were manufactured at Watertown and Rock Island. That figure would have allowed the US to theoretically equip ten Philippine artillery battalions.

That said, three PA Infantry Divisions (61st, 81st, and 101st ?) had to convert their artillery regiments to infantry when they did not receive their full complements of cannon before entering combat.

Mobilized strength of the Philippine Army on 31 October 1941 – 4,128 Officers and 29,318 Enlisted men


I Philippine Corps/North Luzon Force: Maj. Gen. Jonathan M. Wainwright
I Corps/North Luzon Force Engineer: Col. Harry A. Skerry

I Corps Strength report for 7 February 1942: 472 US officers, 1712 US Enlisted, 4721 Philippine Scouts, 1601 Philippine Army Officers, 22094 Philippine Army enlisted, 1169 civilians

South Luzon Force: Brig. Gen. Albert M. Jones

II Philippine Army Corps/Bataan Defense Force: Maj. Gen. George M. Parker (a notch or two above Lloyd Fredendall)

Corps Troops:
201st Engineer Battalion – Maj. Harry O. Fisher (340 PA personnel with Philippine Constabulary NCOs)
202d Engineer Battalion – Capt. Major Mitchell (250 personnel)

II Corps Strength report for 7 February 1942: 429 US officers, 1451 US enlisted, 2086 Philippine Scouts, 1713 Philippine Army officers, 24191 Philippine Army enlisted, 896 civilians

Division strengths on 31 October 1941 (source – Rpt, Commonwealth of the Philippines, Army headquarters, Manila, Office G-1 Division, dtd 21 Nov 41)

11th Division – 334 officers and 2514 enlisted men
21st Division – 407 officers and 2774 enlisted men
31st Division – 382 officers and 2629 enlisted men
41st Division – 405 officers and 2891 enlisted men
51st Division – 373 officers and 2831 enlisted men
61st Division – 397 officers and 2625 enlisted men
71st Division – 395 officers and 2705 enlisted men
81st Division – 387 officers and 2379 enlisted men
91st Division – 287 officers and 2681 enlisted men
101st Division – 303 officers and 2000 enlisted men
Other inducted units – 458 officers and 32819 enlisted men (note: PA still in mobilization process at this date)


1st Philippine Army (Regular) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Fidel V. Segundo
1st Infantry Regiment – Col. Kearie L. Berry
Senior US Instructor – Maj. Ralph E. Rumbold
2d Infantry Regiment – (remained on Mindanao due to lack of shipping) Col. Calixto Duque
3d Infantry Regiment – Col. Albert H. Dumas
1st Artillery Regiment – Not activated
1st Engineer Battalion –
Note 1: Do not let the designation “Regular” fool you. This division was formed in December 1941 from officer cadets, retired Philippine scouts, and odds and ends.
Note 2: 2d Regiment’s strength in March 1942 was 800 officers and men.
Note 3: In April 1942 the divisional strength included 225 officers and 4300 enlisted men.

2d Philippine Army (Regular) Infantry Division (PC) – Brig. Gen. Guillermo B. Francisco
2d Division US Senior Instructor – Col. Edwin O’Connor
1st Philippine Constabulary (PC) Regiment – Brig. Gen. Simeon de Jesus?
US Senior Instructor – Lt. Col. Irvin Alexander
2d Philippine Constabulary Regiment –
1-2 Constabulary –
2-2 Constabulary – Maj. Diogracias U. Tenasas
4th Philippine Constabulary Regiment –
Note 1: As of Apr 42 the 2d Division consisted of 325 officers and 5700 enlisted men. The 1sr Regiment had been inducted into USAFFE on 15 October 1941, followed by the 2d and 3d Regiments on 17 November and 12 December 1941 respectively. The 4th PC Regiment was mobilized on 29 December 1941.

Commanding General, 11th (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. William E. Brougher
Chief of Staff – Col. Moran
Division Signal Officer – Lt. Col. Blackburn
11th Infantry Regiment – Col. Glen R. Townsend (moderate competence)
11th Regiment Executive Officer – Maj. Russell W. Volckmann
1/11 Infantry –
2/11 Infantry – Maj. Helmert J. Duisterhof (awarded DSC – came from 57th Infantry)
3/11 Infantry – Capt. Antonio Alejandro
12th Infantry Regiment –
1/12 Infantry –
2/12 Infantry –
3/12 Infantry – Maj. Moses (moderate competence)
13th Infantry Regiment – Col. Green (?) (not very good commander)
1/13 Infantry – Maj. Noble (moderate competence)
2/13 Infantry –
3/13 Infantry –
11th Field Artillery Regiment – Col. James C. Hughes
11th Engineer Battalion – Capt. Amado N. Bautista
Note 1: 13th Infantry Regiment disbanded early in the Philippine campaign to provide replacements for 11th and 12th Regiments.
Note 2: Amado Bautista Diary, dtd 4 Feb 46, states: “On 7 December, the 11th Division headquarters was being organized at Manaoag, Pangasinan. The 11th Division sector was as follows: From Calmay River exclusive, Dagupan and Calasiao inclusive, Malasiqui exclusive, Alcala inclusive, extending northward along Union Shores and Ilocos Coast and with an outpost of one infantry battalion at Tuguegarao, Cagayan. The main strength was concentrated at Pangasinan. The 11th Engineer Battalion, mobilized and fully activated about two months before, was in division reserve at Camp Carayungan, less Company C at Manaoag. [Engineer] Units in full strength, almost completely equipped organically, but with only five rounds of ammunition per man borrowed from the Constabulary Company at Tuyag.”

Commanding General, 21st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Mateo M. Capinpin
Senior American Instructor – Colonel Ray M. O’Day
21st Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Valentin Valasco
21st PA Regiment US Senior Instructor – Col. William A. Wapperstein
1/21 Infantry – Maj. Robert Besson
2/21 Infantry – Capt. Philip A. Meier
3/21 Infantry – Capt. Robert Pennell
22d Infantry – Major Joaquin D. Esperitu
22d Infantry US Senior Instructor – Col. Jacob E. Uhrig
23d Infantry – Major Liberato Littaua
US Senior Instructor – Col. Wallace A. Mead
3/23 – Capt. H.E. Wandell
21st Artillery Regiment – Lt. Col. Nemisio Catalan (three battalions of 75-mm cannon vice 2 battalions of 75-mm and one battalion of 2.95-inch mountain howitzers) 1/21 FA – Lieutenant Valdez, 2/21 FA – Lieutenant Mercado, 3/21 FA – Lieutenant Acosta.
21st FA Senior US Instructor – Col. Richard C. Mallonee
21st Engineer Battalion – Capt. Atilano F. Montesa (KIA)/Capt. Louis Bartholomees
Note 1: The 21st Infantry Division “acquired” six modern 81-mm mortars from the Field Artillery School at Camp Del Pilar.

Commanding General, 31st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Clifford Bluemel
Chief of Staff – Col. Pastor Martelino
G-1 – Lt. Col. Jose Andrada
G-2 – Maj. Salvador T. Villa (very inspirational and enthusiastic)
G-3 – Maj. Pedro Deang
G-4 – Maj. Napoleon D. Valleriano (graduate of US Army Cavalry School in 1939)
31st Infantry Regiment – Col. John W. Irwin
1/31 Infantry –
2/31 Infantry – Lt. Col. Cyril Q. Marron
3/31 Infantry –
32d Infantry Regiment – Col. Edwin H. Johnson
33d Infantry Regiment – Major Stanley Holmes
1/33 Infantry – Maj. Howard C. Crawford
2/33 Infantry – Capt. Lloyd M. Buchel
3/33 Infantry – Capt. Robert M. Chapin
31st Artillery Regiment –
Note 1: On the average, there was only a single Browning Automatic Rifle in each infantry company, only eight 30-caliber water cooled machineguns in each heavy weapons company, and two 50-caliber machineguns for each regiment. There were no modern 81-mm mortars, only the 3-inch Stokes mortar of WW1 vintage. It was estimated that the 3-inch mortars had a seventy percent dud rate. Ammunition for the division’s 60-mm mortars was never delivered.
Note 2: The 31st Field Artillery Regiment did not finish organizing until 26 December 1941 and possessed only two 75-mm gun batteries.

Commanding General, 41st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Vicente Lim (moderate competence)
Senior American Instructor – Colonel Malcolm V. Fortier (moderate competence)
41st Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Silvino Gallardo
Senior American advisor – Col. Loren A. Wetherby
1/41 Infantry – Capt. Jacobo Zobel
2/41 Infantry – Lt. Constancio de Zosa
3/41 Infantry –
42d Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Claro B. Lizardo
Senior American advisor – Col. Edward C. Atkinson
1/42 Infantry –
2/42 Infantry –
3/42 Infantry –
43d Infantry Regiment – Col. Valentin Salgado
Senior American advisor – Lt. Col Eugene T. Lewis
1/43 –
2/43 – Lt. N. L. Matthews
3/43 –
41st Artillery Regiment – Lt. Col. Arthur P. Moore
41st Engineer Battalion – Capt. Rigoberto Atienza
Note 1: The division’s regiments had received the following amount of post-mobilization training: 41st (five weeks), 42d (thirteen weeks), and 43d (none).
Note 2: Three BARs issued to each rifle company. The only anti-tank armament in the division consisted of 50-caliber water cooled machineguns (M12?) that none of the American advisors were familiar with them. The division had its full complement of sixteen 75-mm cannon and eight 2.95-inch mountain howitzers.

Commanding General, 51st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Albert M. Jones
Chief of Staff – Col. Stuart C. MacDonald/Col. Edwin E. Aldridge
51st Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Loren P. Stewart
52d Infantry Regiment – Colonel Virgil N. Cordero (two battalions)
53d Infantry Regiment – Col. John R. Boatwright
51st Field Artillery Regiment – Col. Hamilton R. Searight
Note 1: The FA regiment only possessed two batteries of 75-mm cannon.

Commanding General, 61st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. B.G. Chenowyth (he replaced Brig. Gen. Walter F. Sharp)
Chief of Staff – Col. John W. Thompson (replaced by Col. Irvin C. Scudder when Brig. Gen. Chenowyth arrived before Scudder was himself replaced by Col. Roger Hilsman)
G-1 – Lt. Col. Jose Consaise
G-2 – Lt. Col. Cruse
G-3 – Maj. Jordan
G-4 – Capt. English
61st Infantry Regiment – Col. Eugene H. Mitchell
62d Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Allen Thayer
63d Infantry Regiment – Col. Albert F. Christie
64th Infantry Regiment (PA) (Provisional) –
65th Infantry Regiment (PA) (Provisional) –
61st Artillery Regiment – Col. Hiram W. Tarkington
One battery with three 2.95-inch mountain howitzers?? (per memorandum for record by Lt. Eugene E. Greeson, Subj: “The Visayan-Mindanao Force”, dtd 30 Jan 45, filed at CMH)
Cebu Military Police Regiment – Lt. Col. Howard J. Edmunds (ultimately consisting of eleven companies [one regimental HHC, two battalions with eight rifle and two heavy weapons companies] with strength ranging from 114 to 89 personnel. They possessed Enfield Rifles and four Browning Water-cooled MMGs per company – the weapons were requisitioned from the four college “ROTC” detachments on Cebu). Heavy Weapons Companies: Company D had eight 30-caliber water cooled, one .50-caliber machinegun and two Stokes mortars. Company H (formed from a cadre from Company D (heavy weapons) possessed three water cooled and five air cooled .30-caliber machineguns (the latter were salvaged from a crashed P-40 Warhawk).

Commanding General, 71st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Clyde A. Selleck (later relieved by 26th Cavalry Regiment commander)
71st Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Donald Van N. Bonnett
72d Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. Irwin Compton
73d Infantry Regiment – (remained on Mindinao due to lack of shipping) Lt. Col. Robert H. Vesey
71st Artillery Regiment – Lt. Col. Halstead C. Fowler

Commanding General, 81st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Guy S. Fort
81st Infantry Regiment –
82d Infantry Regiment – Lt. Col. David
1/82d Infantry – Capt. Mammon Sharp
2/82d Infantry –
3/82d Infantry –
83d Infantry Regiment – Maj. William Rogers
Senior US Instructor – Lt. Col. Marcus Boulware (later sent to 61st Division as G-4)
1/83d Infantry – Maj. William McClanahan (replaced by Capt. Lyle Hardin)
2/83d Infantry – Capt. Sharp
3/83d Infantry – Lt. Col. Arthur J. Grimes
84th Infantry Regiment (Provisional) –
81st Artillery Regiment – Lt. Col. John P. Woodbridge
3d Philippine Constabulary Regiment –
Note 1: The “Visayan – Mindanao Force” (commanded by Col. Ben-Hur Chastaine) consisted of 3rd Infantry Regiment (Philippine Constabulary), 81st Infantry Regiment (Philippine Army), Co. A, 81st Medical Battalion, Agusan Provisional Battalion (PA), Agusan Constabulary Battalion, Surigao Provisional Battalion (PA & PC) and Headquarters (Provisional) Agusan Sector (PA). The PC Regiment was responsible for defending Cagayan and the PA regmient (-) responsible for Davao. The 3/81 Infantry (Capt. J.O. Stensland) and Agusan Provisional Battalion defended Butuan Bay. The Surigao Provisional Battalion defended the Surigao Peninsula. The Agusan Constabulary Battalion controlled the movement of the civilian population and conducted rear area security. Source: Operations Order, USAFFE, Hqs Agusan Sector, Gingoog, Misamis, SUBJ: War Plans – Agusan Sector, dtd 27 Feb 42. Original at CMH.
Note 3 – The 81st Artillery Regiment had at least one section of 2.95-inch mountain howitzers.

Commanding General, 91st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Luther R. Stevens
91st Infantry Regiment –
92d Infantry Regiment – Col. John H. Rodman
92d Infantry Executive Officer – Col. James D. Carter
93d Infantry Regiment – (remained on Mindanao due to lack of shipping) Maj. John C. Goldtrap
91st Artillery Regiment –
91st Engineer Battalion – Capt. Antonio P. Chanco
C & E Companies, 43d Infantry (PS) – Maj. Allen L. Peck (reactivated and organized with soldiers from the 45th Infantry (PS) on detached duty in Zamboanga).
Note: Artillery consisted of two batteries with eight portee 2.95-inch mountain howitzers.

Commanding General, 101st (Reserve) Infantry Division – Brig. Gen. Joseph P. Vachon
101st Infantry Regiment – Col. Russell J. Nelson
1/101 Infantry –
2/101 Infantry – Lt. Col. Roger B. Hilsman
3/101 Infantry – Lt. Col. Howard N. Frissell
102d Infantry Regiment – Col. William P. Morse (?)
103d Infantry Regiment – Maj. Joseph R. Webb (apparently a very competent officer)
104th Infantry Regiment?? – Mentioned in Morton “Fall of the Philippines” on p. 511.
101st Artillery Regiment – Lt. Col. Reed Graves?
Note 1: Although some accounts state that no artillery was ever provided to the division, the trio of mountain howitzers listed for the 61st Division may have belonged to the 101st Artillery Regiment.
Note 2: Lt. Greeson writes: For the purpose of defense the island was divided into six sectors. General Vachon commanded the Cotabato-Davao sector; General Fort the Lanao sector; Col. Morse, the Cagayan sector; and Col. Ben-Hur Chastaine, the Agusan sector. The Zamboanga sector was commanded initially by Col. Dalton, but in February 1942 this command was given to Col. Wilson and Col. Dalton assumed command of the Force training school. In February a Zone of the Interior was created with Col. Frissell in command. In the Visayan Islands, General Chynoweth commanded the island of Panay; Col. Hillsman, the Island of Negros; Col. Scudder the island of Cebu; and Major Jones, the islands of Samar and Leyte.

Commanding General, 102d (Reserve) Infantry Division – Col. William P. Morse
103d Infantry Regiment (see 101st Division)
61st Artillery Regiment (see 61st Division)
81st Artillery Regiment (see 81st Division)
Note 1: Would be reorganized with the 62d Infantry, 81st Field Artillery, C & E Companies, 43d Infantry (PS) and a 2.95-inch mountain howitzer detachment after its first battle on 3 May 1942.

US FORCES

Strength and composition of US Army Troops in Philippine Islands on 30 November 1941:

Philippine Division – 10,233 total (incl 517 officers, 1807 Americans, and 7909 Philippine Scouts)
26th Cavalry – 55 officers and 787 enlisted men
43d Infantry Regiment (PS) – 328 officers and enlisted men (see 91st PA Division)
31st Infantry (US) – 97 officers and 1755 enlisted men
45th Infantry (PS) – 108 officers and 2,152 enlisted men
57th Infantry (PS) – 105 officers and 2,154 enlisted men
23d FA Regiment (PS) – 411 officers and enlisted men
24th FA Regiment (PS) – 869 officers and enlisted men
12th MP Company – 134 officers and enlisted men
12th QM Regiment – 586 officers and enlisted men
12th Medical Regiment – 419 officers and enlisted men
12th Ord Company – 142 officers and enlisted men
12th Signal Troops – 226 officers and enlisted men
14th Engineers – 883 officers and enlisted men
4th Vet Company – 1 officer and 11 enlisted men

Source: Rpt, Philippine Department, MRU Station, Strength and Misc., officers and enlisted men, November 1941

OTHER US/PS Units

86th FA Regiment (PS) – 395 officers and men
88th FA Regiment (PS) – 538 officers and men
808th MP Company – 160 officers and men
192d Tank Battalion – 588 officers and men
194th Tank Battalion – 410 officers and men

Source: Rpt, Philippine Department, MRU Station, Strength and Misc., officers and enlisted men, November 1941


Philippine Division
Commanding General: Brig. Gen. Maxon S. Lough
Division Headquarters
Headquarters, Special Troops (PS)
Headquarters Company (PS)
12th Military Police Company (PS)
12th Ordnance Company (PS)
12th Signal Company (PS)
43d Infantry Regiment (PS) – (see 91st PA Division)
45th Infantry Regiment (PS) – Col. Thomas W. Doyle
45th Infantry Executive Officer – Lt. Col. Donald B. Hilton
1/45 Infantry – Lt. Col. Leslie T. Lathrop
2/45 Infantry – Lt. Col. Ross B. Smith (moderately capable)/Maj. Andrew B. Zwaska
3/45 Infantry – Maj. Dudley G. Strickler/Lt. Col. Leslie T. Lathrop
57th Infantry Regiment (PS) – Col. George S. Clarke (succumbed to combat fatigue in first battle)
57th Infantry Executive Officer – Lt. Col. Edmund J. Lilly (later commanding officer)
1/57th Infantry – Maj. Royal Reynolds (above average officer)
2/57th Infantry – Lt. Col. Hal C. Granberry (excellent combat leader)
3/57th Infantry – Lt. Col. Philip T. Fry/Lt. Col. Harold K. Johnson
24th Field Artillery Regiment –
1/24th FA – Lt. Col. Charles B. Leinbach
23d Field Artillery Regiment – Lt. Col. Hanford R. Lockwood
14th Engineers (PS) –
12th Medical Regiment (PS) – Col. James W. Duckworth

31st Infantry Regiment – Col. Charles L. Steel/Lt. Col Jasper E. Brady (Steel became II Corps Chief of Staff on 2 March 1942)
1st Battalion, 88th Field Artillery (PS) –
2d Battalion, 88th Field Artillery (PS) –
4th Veterinary Company (PS) –
65th Separate Quartermaster Company –
66th Separate Quartermaster Company –
17th Ordnance Company (Armd) –
1/31 Infantry – Lt. Col. Edward H. Bowes
2/31 Infantry – Maj. Lloyd C. Moffitt
3/31 Infantry – Lt. Col. Jasper E. Brady

26th Cavalry Regiment (Philippine Scouts) – Col. Clinton A. Pierce/Col. Lee C. Vance (excellent officer)
1/26 Cavalry –
2/26 Cavalry – Maj. James C. Blanning

Note: The Philippine Division, a mixed US/Filipino formation, was authorized 10,400 officers and men. It consisted of the 31st US Infantry, 45th Infantry (Philippine Scout), and 57th Infantry (PS). The American regiment had 1,800 personnel while the strength of both PS regiments was about 2,100 officers and men. Both the Americans and the scouts carried the new M-1 Garand rifle. Each rifle company had three 60-mm mortars and each battalion heavy weapons company possessed an average of eighteen water cooled 30-caliber machineguns, one or two .50 caliber machineguns, and one or two 81-mm mortars. Divisional artillery consisted of the two-battalion 24th Field Artillery Regiment with truck drawn 75-mm guns and mule packed 2.95-inch mountain howitzers and the one battalion 23d Field Artillery Regiment with a single battery of 2.95-inch mountain howitzers and two batteries of 75-mm guns.
SELECTED NON-DIVISIONAL UNITS
4th Marine Regiment – Colonel Howard


86th Field Artillery Regiment (PS) – Lt. Col. Winfield Scott (12 155-mm GPF guns)
301st Artillery Regiment – Col. Alexander S. Quintard (16 155-mm GPF guns and 2 155-mm howitzers)

Provisional Tank Group – Brig. Gen. James R. N. Weaver (moderate competence)
Group Executive Officer – Col. Thaddeus E. Smyth (moderate competence)
Equipped with 91 M3 light tanks, fifteen Bren gun carriers, and 42 halftracks.
192d Tank Battalion – Lt. Col. Theodore F. Wickord (moderately competent)
194th Tank Battalion – Lt. Col. Ernest B. Miller
Note 1: 194th Tank Battalion did not have its Company B (minus seventeen M3 Stuarts)

Provisional Self-Propelled FA Group – Fifty self-propelled 75-mm on halftracks. Originally formed with three battalions with four, four gun batteries. (Consolidated into two battalions later)
1st Battalion – Capt. Gordon F. Peck
2d Battalion – Maj. David S. Babock
3d Battalion – Major Joseph Granahl (moderate competence)

200th Coast Artillery (AA) Regiment – Col. Charles G. Sage

515th Coast Artillery (AA) Regiment – Lt. Col. Harry M. Peck (A Battery – Searchlight, B,C, and D Batteries - 3-inch AA guns, E Battery – .50 caliber AA machineguns, and F , G, and H batteries – 37-mm AA guns). The regiment possessed a total of 12 3-inch AA guns, 23 37-mm. AA guns, and fifteen searchlights.

Air Corps Provisional Regiment – Col. Irvin E. Doane (an experienced infantry officer with previous service in the Philippine Scouts)

1st Battalion – Capt. Coleman
2d Battalion –

Naval Battalion – Commander Francis J. Bridget – Formed on 9 January 1942. Consisted of 150 naval aviators from Patrol Wing 10, 130 sailors from USS Canopus, 80 men from Cavite Navy Ammunition Depot, 120 general duty sailors from various installations, and 120 Marine anti-aircraft artillerymen for a total of 602 personnel.

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1st Philippine Army (Regular) Infantry Division

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Note 1: Do not let the designation “Regular” fool you. This division was formed in December 1941 from officer cadets, retired Philippine scouts, and odds and ends.



The Components of the 1st Division came into existence with the formation of the Philippine Army (in 1936). The original authorized strength of the Philippine Army was 10,000 men including the Philippine Constabulary. The Constabulary had been long established, had combat experience and a decent military structure, and an authorized strength of 6,000 men. The remainder of the 10,000 authorized personnel were used by the Philippine Army to establish necessary institutions, form cadres for most units, and to create one standing unit - an Infantry Battalion stationed in Manila and used more for parades and formal guards than combat training.

From it's very inception, the "regular" army was responsible for the training of reservists. This training consumed most of the personnel. Military Academy, Air Force, Off Shore Patrol, Staff College, cadres, supply depots and armory all ate up personnel, leaving virtually nothing for active combat units.

Prior to federalization, the 1st Division consisted of:
1st Regiment: HQ en cadre, 1st Battalion active duty in Manila
2nd Regiment: en cadre on Mindanao (where Moro separatists were a threat).
3rd Regiment and supporting artillery, medical, engineer units existed only on paper, with a few clerks.

The 2nd Regiment remained on Mindanao by design and filled out with newly reporting reservists.



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2d Philippine Army (Regular) Infantry Division (PC) – Brig. Gen. Guillermo B. Francisco



This division existed only on paper as a wartime contingency formation. The Philippine Constabulary was dispersed in local garrisons of primarily company and battalion sized units. The units earmarked for the 1st and 2nd regiments were on Luzon, those for the 3rd Regiment on Mindanao. In addition, there were a number of scattered units that were not pre-allocated to any regiment. These were mostly small or remote units of Company size and sometimes smaller. Note that Constabulary Companies were in place at both Aparri and Vigan (along with Company L, 2nd/11th Philippine Army at Aparri) and the first Philippine Army casualties were Constabulary Troops from these units (Company L withdrawing without engaging).

The 4th PC Regiment was formed on Luzon after war began, using unassigned small garrison units and various administrative personnel (and probably reporting reservists). The 3rd PC Regiment remained on Mindanao. The strategy was to abandon the Visayas and hold central Luzon and northern Mindanao – the latter as a springboard for relief/reinforcement of the main units on Luzon.

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Philippine Division – 10,233 total (incl 517 officers, 1807 Americans, and 7909 Philippine Scouts)
26th Cavalry – 55 officers and 787 enlisted men
43d Infantry Regiment (PS) – 328 officers and enlisted men (see 91st PA Division)


Neither the 26th Cavalry (PS) nor the 43rd Infantry (PS) were part of the Philippine Division. There was another regiment – 49th Infantry (PS) that was officially assigned to the Philippine Division when it was square. The 49th Infantry, it’s supporting Field Artillery Battalion (2nd/23rd PS) and the 24th Brigade HQ were inactive, leaving the Philippine Division effectively a triangular Division. The 86th Field Artillery Regiment (PS), inactive at time point, would also have been assigned to a square Philippine Division.

Philippine Scouts manned the artillery and Engineer Regiments of the Philippine Division, along with various independent Coast and Field Artillery units. There were also under strength battalions stationed at Baguio, Luzon and Zamboanga, Mindanao. Baguio was the site of the Philippine Government summer Capital, along with multiple installations of both the US and Philippine Armies. Zamboanga was the site of a long-standing US post deep in Moro Country. The troops for these garrisons were the 1st Battalion, 45th Infantry (PS), which were detached from the Philippine Division. When the legal limit for Philippine Scouts was raised to 12,000 (1940), these troops were detached from the 45th and used to create the 43rd (a new 1st/45th was formed). The 43rd PS was never more than an administrative unit, controlling two widely dispersed battalions, each of an minimal battalion headquarters and two companies (which still used the old 85 man OOB). The unit on Mindanao (2nd Battalion with C and E Companies) was heavily used in training Philippine Army units.

Note that the 86th Field Artillery REGIMENT did not exist. The 86th Regiment was inactive between the wars, the number being reserved for the Philippine Scouts. However, when it was finally ordered to be formed, the US Army was in the process of disbanding Field Artillery Regiments and creating stand-alone Field Artillery Battalions. This had been completed for all regular army units, although most National Guard units were still in Regimental form. Therefore, the unit formed was the 86th Field Artillery Battalion.


Visayas and Mindanao

The units of the 6th thru 9th Military Districts were ordered from the Visayas to Luzon (7th and 9th Districts) and Mindanao (6th and 8th Districts). This movement began pre-war and continued as long as possible. One regiment each of the 61st, 71st and 91st Divisions and two regiments of the 81st Division were not able to make the move. The two regiments of the 71st and 91st Divisions that did not move to Luzon went to Mindanao instead.

The campaign in Luzon gave breathing space to the Visayas and Mindanao Commands. Considerable reorganization was done to units there. Can’t give exact details without digging out the books, but in general:

6th Military District rebuilt the 61st Division, using the one regiment that did not go to Mindanao (63rd) and the newly recruited 64th and 65th Regiments.

8th Military District retained two regiments and build provisional units from Constabulary Troops and reporting reservists.

10th Military District reorganized the 101st Division to replace the barely formed 103th Regiment with slightly better trained units from the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th Districts. The 103th, other units from the other districts, and several newly formed 10th District units were used to form the 102nd Division.

7th and 9th Districts had only provisional units and some small constabulary garrisons.


Other Regular US Army Units.

The provisional Tank group was a temporary organization consisting of the 192nd and 194th (-) Light Tank Battalions and the 17th Ordnance Company. A battalion of medium tanks (probably 70th) was scheduled to join them to form a complete armored regiment. Since the 192nd had four companies and the 194th only two, Company D/192nd may have been transferred to the 194th to balance the battalions. The missing company of the 194th was “B” Company (ex 35th Tank Company, Missouri National Guard), which was sent to Alaska and eventually became the 602nd Independent Tank Company.

200th Coast Artillery Regiment (AA) was newly stationed at Clark Field for anti-aircraft defense. There were only a few MGs defending airfields in and around Manila. About mid December, a battalion of the 200th was detached to form the Provisional AA Regiment. This unit was fleshed out with available personnel and guns that had been stored in armories and sent to defend Manila. It was later designated 515th CA(AA).

4th Marines had been withdrawn from China just before the war began. This unit had been significantly reduced by attrition as replacements had been held up in the Philippines for some time (long story). The replacements were used to form the 1st Separate Battalion, USMC, which manned AA defenses at Cavite. The 4th Regiment, 1st Separate Battalion, Cavite and Subic Bay Marine Barracks, and infantry units formed from naval and air corps troops eventually formed the oversized 4th Marines.

803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion, at Clark Field, eventually withdrew to Bataan, where it did amazing work expanding airfield facilities.


Provisional Units.

A number of provisional units were formed, as listed in the post above. Some of these were pre-planned Corps troops but most were ad-hoc formations created to use available resources.

The Provisional Field Artillery Group was formed to utilize the 50 half-track mounted 75mm Anti-Tank guns that had just arrived in the Philippines but had not been allocated. The unit had Regular US Army, Philippine Scout, and Philippine Army troops. It also used some of the Bren Carriers enroute to Hong Kong aboard the Don Jose but taken over when that ship sought refuge in Manila Bay (others went to the Provisional Tank Group).

301st Field Artillery was a unit of the Philippine Army, formed to utilize 155mm Coast Defense guns that had been sent to the Philippines to create coastal batteries in various southern Luzan passages and in the Visayas. When war began, only two of these guns had been emplaced (in southern Batangas). These were withdrawn to Bataan and the remaining guns evacuated there from armories. Two 155mm Howitzers from Fort Wint (Grande Island, Subic Bay) were withdrawn when that post was evacuated and were added to the 155mm GPFs to form the 301st.

301st Engineers. A unit formed using a large number of professional miners that had withdrawn into Bataan. Many of these men were World War I veterans or Philippine Army reservists. Available personnel were added to flesh out the regiment. This regiment did outstanding work in fortifying Bataan.

201st Engineer Battalion. A pre-planned corps unit of the Philippine Army. May have been en cadre when war began.

202nd Engineer Battalion. Less sure about this unit. It appears to have been formed but may have been immediately disbanded due to lack of equipment.

14th Infantry (Philippine Army). A provisional unit formed in North Luzon from cut off detachments of the 11th Division (mostly 1st Battalion) and newly reporting reservists. Officially disbanded upon surrender but most personnel became part of guerilla organizations.



The Philippine Army used a distinct numbering system.

Single Digit units numbers were reserved for the Regular Army.
Unit Numbers 11 thru 109 were reserved for reserve units of Military Districts
Unit Numbers in the 200 range were reserved for corps level units
Unit Numbers in the 300 range were reserved for army level units.

The full mobilization plan called for each military district to three division. The district number was used with each unit, so the first division formed in the 3rd Military District would be the 31st Division (with 31st, 32nd, 33rd Regiments). The second would be the 32nd Division (34th, 35th, 36th Regiments) and the third the 33rd Division (37th, 38th, and 39th Regiments). Some creativity would have been required had more reserve divisions been formed.

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I am glad to see you guys are REALLY doing your homework. Congrats! I only had a day or two to go through some of the primary source documents here at the Center of Military History (where I work). As for the Philippine Division - I figured that many of the units listed under it were there for strength reporting purposes only. Cannot wait to see AE! The current edition is impressive enough.

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Company L, 2nd/11th


Whoops, typo.   Any idiot knows that Company L is 3rd Battalion.

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ORIGINAL: HistoryGuy

I am glad to see you guys are REALLY doing your homework. Congrats! I only had a day or two to go through some of the primary source documents here at the Center of Military History (where I work). As for the Philippine Division - I figured that many of the units listed under it were there for strength reporting purposes only. Cannot wait to see AE! The current edition is impressive enough.


If you work there, I am really looking forward to any more posts.

You might check for the roster of B Battery, 60th CA for my cousin Pvt James Castle, or the 1st Quartermaster Depot for my Father, MSgt Albert Bowen. All with service in the Philippines, Jimmy on Corregidor.


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Unfortunately, we have less WW2 stuff here than I would like. Most original documents have long been sent to the National Archives at College Park. I have only gotten involved in looking at the Philippine Commonwealth Army as part of a larger manuscript on US past and current involvement in building and training indigenous forces. As I read more about the Philippines campaign, I was amazed at how well (relatively speaking) the PA divisions did in combat given their tremendous shortages in training and equipment. I will keep an eye out for other interesting material and post as appropriate.




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Thank you, that is very kind and very appreciated.



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Company L, 2nd/11th


Whoops, typo.   Any idiot knows that Company L is 3rd Battalion.



Wouldnt it be 4th Bn? Or is the Bn formations square also?

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Company L, 2nd/11th


Whoops, typo.   Any idiot knows that Company L is 3rd Battalion.



Wouldnt it be 4th Bn? Or is the Bn formations square also?


A,B,C Infantry D Weps
E,F,G Infantry, H Weps
I,K,L Infantry , M Weps

At least US and Philippine. But then we number our platoons within companies, not battalions. Then there's that whole confusing Regiment/Squadron/Troop mess.



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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 1/9/2009 3:42:59 AM   
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I am glad to see you guys are REALLY doing your homework. Congrats! I only had a day or two to go through some of the primary source documents here at the Center of Military History (where I work). As for the Philippine Division - I figured that many of the units listed under it were there for strength reporting purposes only. Cannot wait to see AE! The current edition is impressive enough.


Thanks for your great summary. I'm going to review our in-game OOB to see if we can refine it from your information. Some of the artillery info has to be abstracted (several divisions had their artillery sunk at sea; most others had some or all of their artillery mobilize weeks after the division did). The leader info should already be correct as far down as the division level . . . and the US regiments and tank battalions. If I have the energy, I'll use your info to tag the leader names to some of the smaller Filipino units, as well.

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II Philippine Army Corps/Bataan Defense Force: Maj. Gen. George M. Parker (a notch or two above Lloyd Fredendall)

Talk about damning with faint praise . . .

FWIW, if the Japanese invade the West Coast in AE, the US gets two Corps HQs along with its reinforcements. Fredenhall, who, IRL commanded the Kasserine Pass debacle in North Africa, leads one of the two Corps with predictably abysmal ratings.

Some tank guy named George S. Patton commands the other reinforcing corps
Historically, Patton commanded what was then called the II Armored Corps on the West Coast in the early months of WWII.




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