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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/24/2009 1:43:23 PM   
Andrew Brown


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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Andy's spies appear to be correct

http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/second_world_war/volume.asp?levelID=67920
Chapter 10

The only two refineries operating in Australia at the outbreak of war
were the Shell Company of Australia's plant at Clyde, New South Wales ,
and that of the Commonwealth Oil Refinery at Laverton, Victoria. Between
them they possessed the capacity for refining about 20 per cent of
the petroleum products consumed in Australia in peace time . Both plants
were closed for most of the war : the Shell Refinery from February 1942
(after Borneo, whence it drew its supplies, fell to the Japanese) to March
1946, and the C .O.R. from March 1942 to November 1946. Another
reason for the inactivity of these refineries was that there was, in Allied
countries, a much greater shortage of crude oil tankers than of refining
capacity. For this reason the Commonwealth Oil Board took the view
that the substantial storage tanks at the local refineries would be better
employed for holding refined rather than crude oil.

But if we are talking potential, they were there if you ship in Oil, but its probably more efficient to ship Fuel



Tanks JeffK that is very, very interesting. So their closure during the war may have been more to do with lack of crude oil, than a technical difficulty. I will have to have a look at the references you have provided - I haven't come across them before.

Andrew

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/24/2009 2:00:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		So according to that, they should actually be there, if player decides to ship oil from USA or Middle East to Australia?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/24/2009 11:19:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Andy's spies appear to be correct

http://www.awm.gov.au/histories/second_world_war/volume.asp?levelID=67920
Chapter 10

The only two refineries operating in Australia at the outbreak of war
were the Shell Company of Australia's plant at Clyde, New South Wales ,
and that of the Commonwealth Oil Refinery at Laverton, Victoria. Between
them they possessed the capacity for refining about 20 per cent of
the petroleum products consumed in Australia in peace time . Both plants
were closed for most of the war : the Shell Refinery from February 1942
(after Borneo, whence it drew its supplies, fell to the Japanese) to March
1946, and the C .O.R. from March 1942 to November 1946. Another
reason for the inactivity of these refineries was that there was, in Allied
countries, a much greater shortage of crude oil tankers than of refining
capacity. For this reason the Commonwealth Oil Board took the view
that the substantial storage tanks at the local refineries would be better
employed for holding refined rather than crude oil.

But if we are talking potential, they were there if you ship in Oil, but its probably more efficient to ship Fuel



Tanks JeffK that is very, very interesting. So their closure during the war may have been more to do with lack of crude oil, than a technical difficulty. I will have to have a look at the references you have provided - I haven't come across them before.

Andrew



Yes very interesting information.
So the shale production still needs to be in and potentially two other functional refineries.

good find JeffK


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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/24/2009 11:30:08 PM   
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I used to work in Altona Nth and also spent years on the train from Geelong so went through the refinery areas every day. I knew of the C.O.R station which was just after the line crossed Kororoit Ck Rd heading to Melb, now a vacant lot though starting to be developed.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/25/2009 6:47:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		"But if we are talking potential, they were there if you ship in Oil, but its probably more efficient to ship Fuel"

Which is the exact opposite of the way it plays out in WITP.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/27/2009 9:01:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I came across some references in Morisons book (History of United States Naval Operations) to an atoll north of Isbell island in the solomons.  Ontong Java is huge and might have made a great anchorage if the Allies wanted to retake Rabul or stage to Truk from the south. 

Visual aid to the size of the atoll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ontong_java_1934.jpg

reference for location

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_georgia_pol89.jpg

Is this something that has been added or might be added?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/27/2009 9:02:30 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/28/2009 10:29:03 AM   
Jorm


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Status: offline 		Hey Andrew,

If its not too painful , is it possible to get an idea of japanese refining capacity and syn. fuel production capacity ?.

I think some one asked about this ages ago, but alas i cant find the answer

is it possible for the retreating allies to destroy/damage resources / refineries etc ?


Also i note we have a few melbournites, we should try for a Witp drinks session again one day like we did years ago with raverdave and cobra

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/28/2009 1:23:53 PM   
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Hey Andrew,

If its not too painful , is it possible to get an idea of japanese refining capacity and syn. fuel production capacity ?.


Here are the values for the bases in Japan: 

Base              Oil     Refineries
Akita              32             40
Asahikawa           5	
Fukuoka            12             10
Iwaki                             10
Kurume             10	
Muroran             5	
Nagoya              5	
Niigata            14             50
Osaka/Kyoto                      200
Sapporo             5	
Shimonoseki        16            160
Tokuyama            5              5
Tokyo               5            200
Wakayama                          50
Yokohama/Yokosuka                150
Yamagata           12             20


Each oil centre generates 10 oil points per day, so the total domestic oil production in Japan is 1260 points per day. Refineries can process 10 oil points per day per centre, generating 9 fuel and 1 supply point in the process.

Note that there is a very large excess of refining capacity in Japan.



quote:

is it possible for the retreating allies to destroy/damage resources / refineries etc ?


I don't think there have been any changes in this area since stock, so yes there should be a chance of damage by engineers.

quote:

Also i note we have a few melbournites, we should try for a Witp drinks session again one day like we did years ago with raverdave and cobra


Yes why not? Actually I haven't seen Cobra posting here for ages...

Andrew


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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/28/2009 6:56:56 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/28/2009 7:29:07 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/28/2009 11:59:01 PM   
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Does that refineries values mean Value x 1000 tons/year?


No. 1 oil point is the equivalent of 1 ton.

Andrew

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/29/2009 12:25:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dili

Does that refineries values mean Value x 1000 tons/year?


No. 1 oil point is the equivalent of 1 ton.

Andrew


So my ex-Mother In Law was worth about three oil points.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/29/2009 2:15:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


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ORIGINAL: Dili

Does that refineries values mean Value x 1000 tons/year?


No. 1 oil point is the equivalent of 1 ton.

Andrew


So my ex-Mother In Law was worth about three oil points.



That's just wrong. Wrong I tell you.


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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/29/2009 2:39:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown


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ORIGINAL: Dili

Does that refineries values mean Value x 1000 tons/year?


No. 1 oil point is the equivalent of 1 ton.

Andrew


So my ex-Mother In Law was worth about three oil points.






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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/29/2009 9:16:13 AM   
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Nor have I. Is Cobra OK?



I contacted Peter maybe a year ago, couple of weeks after his old computer took a powder and he had lost some of his artwork.
He told me he was going to spend some time with his grand kids for a while. He knows we miss him.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/29/2009 9:21:49 AM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/29/2009 5:43:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's a relief - thanks. I was worried but didn't know that anybody had off-forum contact for him. Too bad about his artwork. He is pretty darn talented!

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 11:25:05 AM   
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Also i note we have a few melbournites, we should try for a Witp drinks session again one day like we did years ago with raverdave and cobra


Hey, i'd love to be in. I'm a Melbournite - just not 'in' Melbourne - if that makes sense?? And sadly i dont expect to be in Melbourne for a while. Did not know you guys ever got together to be honest. Or was it a once off that has never happened again?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 12:19:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorm

Also i note we have a few melbournites, we should try for a Witp drinks session again one day like we did years ago with raverdave and cobra


Yes why not? Actually I haven't seen Cobra posting here for ages...

Andrew



Hmm, smell a trap. What if the idea is to get you stupified and have you divulge classified AE information like Terminus' true identity?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 12:25:34 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 1:19:05 PM   
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Haha timtom i like your sig..very funny

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 5:55:21 PM   
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and have you divulge classified AE information like Terminus' true identity?


It is not secret...




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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 7:28:51 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 8:07:54 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 4/30/2009 8:24:19 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 5/1/2009 8:47:24 AM   
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You still don't get it, do you? Terminus will find you! That's what he does! That’s ALL he does! You can't stop him! He'll wait for you! He'll reach down your throat and tear your heart out! Once he gets his mission, you can’t stop him. You can NEVER stop him!



Soooooo.......should we hide our daughters.......or our food?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 5/1/2009 9:14:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JWE

You still don't get it, do you? Terminus will find you! That's what he does! That’s ALL he does! You can't stop him! He'll wait for you! He'll reach down your throat and tear your heart out! Once he gets his mission, you can’t stop him. You can NEVER stop him!



Soooooo.......should we hide our daughters.......or our food?


Like it matters - we're toast:






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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 7/24/2009 7:37:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Upgradable Roads. Is there any way to have upgradable roads in AE ?. The reason I ask is because the road to the Arakan (Northern Burma) from Bengal was upgraded prior to the 2nd battle there in 1944. Would this be a feature that could be incorporated later maybe ?

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RE: AE Map, Base, Economic Issues - 7/29/2009 3:43:49 PM   
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1. Is there somewhere a table of distances between major bases?I.e., distance in hexes from SFO to PH.(it's 56 hexes, but I had to measure it out.)
2. Is the ship route between Perth and Colombo still available? Or, does one use off-map movement? If both, which is better time-wise?
3.I note that a PBY's transfer range is 54 hexes. That makes transfer between SFO & PH impossible, directly. Historically, I thought a PBY could go from SFO to PH in one jump.

Thanks, Hugh Browne

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