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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:07:08 PM

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This photo looks staged (and a bit goofy to boot) to me, but it'll be interesting if somebody can ferret out the truth.

For some reason, it reminds me of a photo from the other theater - the one of the German officer on the Eastern Front looking back with pistol in raised hand. I tried to find that photo today, but no luck. I believe this photo is genuine.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:10:16 PM

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witpqs- It looks too neat and posed to be a real combat photo, if it was taken under real combat conditions in that position the picture would be more likely to be off kilter. I also like the way the American flag has fallen in such a convenient place.

I agree the flag laying there looks suspicious. But also I know when the SNLF went ashore in and around the Phillipines they took cameras with them. It´s possible the flag could have been being carried around by one of them as a trophy they took down somewhere. They come across a group of Americans and he throws it down, pulls a grenade and the camera man captures the shot.

From the angle it looks like with the explosion in the back the cameraman has hit the dirt too and is laying on the ground.

As Panzerjaeger pointed out the guys mouth with the grenade.

You saw the movie ¨Full Metal Jacket¨?

HAVE YOU GOT A WAR FACE!!

That soldier is wearing a war face from hell or should have been given an award for acting.

I´m undecided and will keep looking for something about the picture though.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:12:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This photo looks staged (and a bit goofy to boot) to me, but it'll be interesting if somebody can ferret out the truth.

For some reason, it reminds me of a photo from the other theater - the one of the German officer on the Eastern Front looking back with pistol in raised hand. I tried to find that photo today, but no luck. I believe this photo is genuine.

Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:13:17 PM

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This photo has nothing to do with WWII.

Rather, it is a picture of two Hillary Clinton campaign workers in Iowa coming to terms with the rise of Obama.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:17:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This photo looks staged (and a bit goofy to boot) to me, but it'll be interesting if somebody can ferret out the truth.

For some reason, it reminds me of a photo from the other theater - the one of the German officer on the Eastern Front looking back with pistol in raised hand. I tried to find that photo today, but no luck. I believe this photo is genuine.

Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

This one?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:18:49 PM

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goodboyladdie-Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

If we are all thinking of the same picture yes it was a Russian and not a German. But be careful on here about correcting what people ¨think¨ with historical fact though.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:19:06 PM

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But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

One of the unfortunate side effects of the U.S. bombing campaign in Japan was the destruction of records-records that shed some liight on Japans atom bomb project, medical experiments, and prapaganda films/photo's. Such is the risk when you set out to de-industrialize an area. I am of the opinion that there is little chance of finding the actual origin of such a picture from Japan-but good luck.

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Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

Not all "opinions" are unfounded.

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But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

Are you not the same fellow who stated the Japanese were locked up for 6 years in concentration camps in the U.S.?

For your information those camps were actually open for 2 to 3 years (the camps were opened in the summer of '42 for the most part; Japanese were orderd released in December of '44). One camp was still open till the spring of '46-the one that held Japanese toughies and those that would not take an oath to the U.S.

Are you not the same fellow who accused U.S. soldiers of placing Japanese heads on the front of their tanks and presented a photo of a Japanese tank to make your point?

I suggest you double check your "credible facts" before making a fool of yourself. You are clearly a victom of brainwashing-you despise Americans for things that you think they did 60 years ago-this is really pathetic-and sad.
Find some new sources of information, and lighten up a little-please.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:19:20 PM

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I wrote this earlier:

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Plus, if the enemy is close enough to throw a grenade at them, the guy on the lower right is being awfully casual with his rifle...

Elaborating: How far do you think you can throw a grenade? The enemy can certainly shoot further. If the photo was real I think the guy on the ground would either be shooting (to keep the guy with the grenade from getting shot) or ready to shoot. As it is, he is practically lying on top of his rifle, it certainly is not shouldered.

Combining that with the other elements of the picture that other posters mentioned, I suspect it is a staged photo. Sure, it could be real, but doubt it.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:20:56 PM

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On a second thought, I think the origin of the pic can be tracked. Ike99, you posted the pic of a book cover. Every book must mention who made the photo or pic of the cover. Check the first pages of that book (Mark Herman etc. etc.) if you have it and see the name of the photographer, name of the pic, etc. It will be there. It must be there.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:27:11 PM

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TulliusDetritus-On a second thought, I think the origin of the pic can be tracked. Ike99, you posted the pic of a book cover. Every book must mention who made the photo or pic of the cover. Check the first pages of that book (Mark Herman etc. etc.) if you have it and see the name of the photographer, name of the pic, etc. It will be there. It must be there.

I posted GMT´s game box cover for their Pacific game that has this picture on the cover. Book?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:28:40 PM

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goodboyladdie-Wasn't that famous German officer Russian?

If we are all thinking of the same picture yes it was a Russian and not a German. But be careful on here about correcting what people ¨think¨ with historical fact though.

The German equivalent had a soldier throwing a hand grenade in the background and an officer with binoculars in the foreground. (Squad Leader box cover) - I am pretty sure that one was staged for the wartime magazine Signal.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:31:00 PM

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That was a game then

Even if it is a game I guess they should mention the name of the photographer at least. Tell us their answer, please

What about the manual of the game? Are you sure they don't mention the "photographer" or source of the pic? In theory they should.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:40:11 PM

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Not to be a smart ass , but one question comes to me thru all this is it real/fake debate? Does it really matter? Is it worth getting worked up about? One of the great things about posting on the forum is that , now istead of one pair of eyes looking for evidence , there are many. So stop slagging each other and get out there and find the answer!

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:43:36 PM

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Um, Ike99, if you look at the photo of the box cover you gave in post #26, at the bottom, in fine print, reads "We won't stop shooting! -1943 Tokyo theatre billboard advertisement".

I tried googling that phrase, got this site: http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-issues/nuclear-weapons/history/post-cold-war/smithsonian-controversy/enola-gay-exhibit-draft-final-unit-2.htm

Clicking on that site, I dont get images loading. But that phrase appears about 80% of the way down, under the section titled "The Japanese Home Front At War", right hand column.

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Tokyo street scene, 1943. The advertising slogan beneath the Japanese soldiers on the billboard reads, "We won't stop shooting!" Courtesy Asahi Shimbun

Still looking...

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:48:02 PM

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Not to be a smart ass , but one question comes to me thru all this is it real/fake debate? Does it really matter? Is it worth getting worked up about? One of the great things about posting on the forum is that , now istead of one pair of eyes looking for evidence , there are many. So stop slagging each other and get out there and find the answer!

Erm, it's irrelevant...

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:56:22 PM

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Not to be a smart ass , but one question comes to me thru all this is it real/fake debate? Does it really matter? Is it worth getting worked up about? One of the great things about posting on the forum is that , now istead of one pair of eyes looking for evidence , there are many. So stop slagging each other and get out there and find the answer!

Erm, it's irrelevant...

So's the Thread , that hasn't stopped us yet!

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:56:57 PM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/11/2007 11:57:40 PM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

And which is which?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 12:03:46 AM

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Hey Ike

There is a chance the actors are still alive. If you post this picture on a Japanese site, you just might be able to learn all about the production.
Good luck on your search for knowledge.

Actors? There are many pictures from WW2 maestro that appear to be made by actors or ¨staged¨ or faked in some way when in fact they are not.

But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

I like the squid kissin the girl picture better than all the others ever posted. But then again I'm a hole-snipe and we didn't get out much. Or could it be the Ray-de-ation warping my mental capacities? No comments from you lady air-dales.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 12:08:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Whipple

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ORIGINAL: Ike99

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Hey Ike

There is a chance the actors are still alive. If you post this picture on a Japanese site, you just might be able to learn all about the production.
Good luck on your search for knowledge.

Actors? There are many pictures from WW2 maestro that appear to be made by actors or ¨staged¨ or faked in some way when in fact they are not.

But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

I like the squid kissin the girl picture better than all the others ever posted. But then again I'm a hole-snipe and we didn't get out much. Or could it be the Ray-de-ation warping my mental capacities? No comments from you lady air-dales.

Whipple

As the 1st airdale to respond I'd like to say that i resemble that, I mean resent that remark. No wonder they used to keep you down in the hole.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 12:09:55 AM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

I only know the good one. He has taught me a lot about this game. Does he have an evil twin? I know one got banned in Universe 32 for double registering. Was that him?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 12:11:13 AM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

I only know the good one. He has taught me a lot about this game. Does he have an evil twin? I know one got banned in Universe 32 for double registering. Was that him?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 12:14:42 AM

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

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ORIGINAL: Whipple

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ORIGINAL: Ike99

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Hey Ike

There is a chance the actors are still alive. If you post this picture on a Japanese site, you just might be able to learn all about the production.
Good luck on your search for knowledge.

Actors? There are many pictures from WW2 maestro that appear to be made by actors or ¨staged¨ or faked in some way when in fact they are not.

But it´s not suprising you pass judgement on this picture without a shred of any actual, historic record and when no one yet can point to where it came from or when.

Yes I will continue to look for some factual historic record on this picture and dismiss unfounded ¨opinions.¨

But I do like my history to be based upon some sort of credible facts and not just fashioned to the way I like it or simply what I ¨think¨.

I like the squid kissin the girl picture better than all the others ever posted. But then again I'm a hole-snipe and we didn't get out much. Or could it be the Ray-de-ation warping my mental capacities? No comments from you lady air-dales.

Whipple

As the 1st airdale to respond I'd like to say that i resemble that, I mean resent that remark. No wonder they used to keep you down in the hole.

Don't you have a line to go stand in?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 1:26:20 AM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

And which is which?

Careful now....

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 1:29:42 AM

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Yeah, the kitty sniper has you in his crosshairs...

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 3:01:12 AM

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I´ve seen this picture around in several places but have never heard of where it came from or how.

I´m thinking it came from some Japanese propaganda film and is staged as there is an American flag laying in the dirt. But then it looks like there is an explosion happening in the background so maybe it is the slide in a film of actual combat or something. So I´m of different opinions. A very interesting picture either way though.

Anyone know the history behind this picture?

It might help to find an answer to provide a link of where you got this photo from.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 3:02:49 AM

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Um, Ike99, if you look at the photo of the box cover you gave in post #26...

The only box cover I have posted is from GMT´s game ¨Empire of the Sun¨ There is no fine print reading "We won't stop shooting! -1943 Tokyo theatre billboard advertisement" on the box cover.

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Are you not the same fellow who accused U.S. soldiers of placing Japanese heads on the front of their tanks and presented a photo of a Japanese tank to make your point? I suggest you double check your "credible facts" before making a fool of yourself. You are clearly a victom of brainwashing...Find some new sources of information...

Excuse me, the only one who is making a fool of themselves and showing their ignorance is you and how you ¨think¨ your history and then dismiss what you don´t like.

Maybe, just maybe there might be some hope for you. Here is a book by John W. Dower. This man has a Phd. from Harvard, is a professor and historian. He has won a Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction. He is one of the leading experts on the Pacific War and Japanese and American relations today. This man doesn´t ¨think¨ history he knows history.

If you have any doubt as to what I said in the Iwo Jima thread I suggest you pick up his book ¨War Without Mercy: Race and Power in the Pacific War¨ here...

http://www.amazon.com/War-Without-Mercy-Power-Pacific/dp/0394751728

There is a used copy for 4.95 it seems. So you have no excuse. After reading that book maybe you should send him an email, his email is on his site at the University he teaches. If you have any doubts or questions, ask him.

After you get done reading that book you can read....

Hell in the Pacific; From Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima and
Beyond

http://www.antiqbook.co.uk/boox/lit/44234.shtml

Another book on the War in the Pacific War without the white wash. Then perhaps you can find the film under the same with very rare, authentic footage.

Yes, you can do these things and get the full picture of the
Pacific War or you can keep to your nice, Hollywood style
good guy/bad guy, packaged history. You might not like what you find however.

That´s all I know to offer you....¨fellow¨

So let´s leave it at that and leave this thread to information on this picture.

Now back to your regular scheduled hunt for info on that picture. There was no credits given to that picture in the GMT box cover or rulebook. I sent off this email to the gamebox designer so maybe he has some information....

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Hello Rodger.

I am curious as to the cover art you did for GMT´s ¨Empire of
the Sun¨ The cover art seems based upon a picture I have attached
here from the war. I am wondering if you have any information as to the origin of this picture.

Do you know where and how this picture came about?

Mario.

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 3:51:50 AM

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The only box cover I have posted is from GMT´s game ¨Empire of the Sun¨ There is no fine print reading "We won't stop shooting! -1943 Tokyo theatre billboard advertisement" on the box cover.

Look again

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 3:57:02 AM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

And which is which?

Careful now....

Sorry , I didn't realize that he was pun-ing with your name. That's a little cheeky don't you think?

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RE: What´s this pictures history? - 12/12/2007 4:06:05 AM

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There's good irrelevant and bad irrelevant.

And which is which?

Careful now....

Sorry , I didn't realize that he was pun-ing with your name. That's a little cheeky don't you think?

Not really; in fact I encourage it.

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