gwheelock
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Joined: 12/27/2007 From: Coon Rapids, Minnesota Status: offline
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ORIGINAL: NeverMan quote:
ORIGINAL: Jimmer quote:
ORIGINAL: NeverMan Guy, I can guarantee Turkey will not be getting a surrender out of Russia unless he forces me to surrender. I still have a substantial army left and good leaders. THIS is exactly the attitude that hard civil disorder makes more costly. Say you were to do as you say here playing the hard rules. Then, IF Turkey should conquer all your capitals, you will NEVER surrender, because you will out of the game. There's a timing factor, of course, as gwheelock mentioned. Essentially, in an econ month, you would have to decide during diplo (i.e. BEFORE MOVEMENT) that Turkey cannot take out the rest of your capitals. If you gamble and win, you win. For one more quarter, at least. If you lose, you are out of the game. In a game where I played Turkey, and exactly this scenario played itself out. But, because we were playing the hard rules, Russia surrendured unconditionally (and giving up nasty conditions). With soft rules, I would have had to fight out the turn, only then getting an unconditional, IF I managed to get all the capitals. Are you being serious? If Turkey can occupy all of Russia's capitals then something is SERIOUSLY wrong, SERIOUSLY!! It's not an attitude, I just don't see Turkey doing it considering I still have a large amount of my army left. You and guy keep talking like I have no army, lol and Turkey is some kind of powerhouse country. It's starting to confuse me. Actually; the game that Jim referred to was a different one where Russia got his a** handed to him BADLY - he had lost >2< battles similar to the one you just had & Turkey WAS in a position to at least TRY to occupy all of the capitols - he DIDN'T have a "large amount of army" left. I am not saying that Turkey is a powerhouse or that you are finished. But your army is not IN Russia right now & it IS going to take you several months to haul it back home & then get it up to the front. During that time; Turkey can pretty well do whatever he wants. If he moves fast; he should be able to occupy everything south of the line from Brest-Litovsk over to Astrakhan before you can get ready (remember >I< know how much money I have been giving him & trust me it's enough to PAY for his supply for this). & after you get your army home; you still have to BEAT him... The problem with fighting the Turks is that if you lose JUST ONCE all of that cav he has will EAT your army (I speak from experience on this - remember my earlier posts about playing Austria & getting stabbed in the back by Dave while trying to fight France.)
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