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Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 5:34:54 PM   
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or is it a piece of rock?

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 5:53:09 PM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 6:08:08 PM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 6:15:47 PM   
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I'd feel pretty stupid for making a story out of that if I were Sky News... This is tabloid garbage...


Its all over the news here, including one of the most respected newspapers.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 6:20:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember the "Face on Mars"?

Overly creative interpretation of low res photos can lead to some decidely extravagant ideas!

Soome one even wrote a book about the so called face on Mars called City on the Edge of Forever (overly obvious reference to a Star Trek episode) wherein he "interpreted" many rock outcroppings and shadows around the "face" to represent degraded structures of a lost civilazation.

All the overly creative interpretations were dispelled when some high res photos finally showed the "face" to be nothing more than an irregular shaped mesa.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 7:08:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1301940,00.html?f=rss




or is it a piece of rock?

I would say, peice of rock and slow news day and 24hrs of air to fill.

And as for "respected news papers" I would ask respected by whom?

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 7:14:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1301940,00.html?f=rss




or is it a piece of rock?


And as for "respected news papers" I would ask respected by whom?


Their readers?


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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 7:17:03 PM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 7:24:34 PM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 7:28:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pzh, sorry if I sounded a little too negative there. Around my neighborhood, newspaper sales are declining fast. There were once 4 major newspapers published with 20 miles of my home. Now, one has gone out of business and two others have filed for bankruptcy.

I would say Terminus has it half right, Fox news I fiind is about 50% fertilizer. Newspapers and other news outlets are worse. The trick is in the filtering.

As to the story you posted, I remember years ago when I lived in Denver Colorado, there was a slow news day. The local news casters aired a story about a study of college students fiinger and toe nail clippings. (realy, no exageration here!) The whole cast was laughing histerically before the end of the story!

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 8:12:22 PM   
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Whatever. All of the newspapers in Sweden are like Fox...got it.



No, Hortlund... I'm not going to get drawn into another one of your screaming matches. I'm not with the SH crew...

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 8:32:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Whatever. All of the newspapers in Sweden are like Fox...got it.



No, Hortlund... I'm not going to get drawn into another one of your screaming matches. I'm not with the SH crew...


I dont even know what the SH crew is.

Anyway, I find it far far more plausible that the picture is of a rock, than that all newspapers in Sweden have a secret agenda to transform themselves into "my dog was eaten by an alien"-type newspapers.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 8:41:23 PM   
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From Solarviews.com:

The average recorded temperature on Mars is -63° C (-81° F) with a maximum temperature of 20° C (68° F) and a minimum of -140° C (-220° F).


I hope the humanoid has a nice coat for the cold nights and some tanning lotion for the days. The ultraviolet rays penetrating the thin Mars atmosphere are a killer, as are the cosmic rays; Mars does not have the same ozone layer or magnetic field protection that Earth has.

Global dust storms on Mars can lasts months, but perhaps that is a shovel in his hand. That is a good thing too, because he likely would have to eat rocks. No lander on Mars has detected even a trace of plant life.

Of course, it could be an alien from some other star system just checking things out for a forward base camp.




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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 8:45:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

I'm sure Fox News' viewers respect them as well... That doesn't mean they're not full of crap...



And we all know the same can be said of CNN and National Communist Radio (aka NPR)!

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 8:52:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Morv (?) I know only a bit about newspapers in large countries like the US and Australia, but I do know that there is this syndication thing where people get the national and internatuional news from "local" newspapers, who in turn get it from a larger source. This can make it hard to know what the politics and biases of the various papers are. I know the US has some fine BIG newspapers with honourable histories, but as I undertsand it, a lot of people use the local papers. In the UK, because we are small, you tend to be able (if you are motivated) to reliably buy a newspaper that you can usually trust, and maybe shares a critical world view, but one to which you are sympathertic. We also have the "serious papers" and the "red tops" (the dreaded tabloids). One good side effect of this is that just as big TV news setups can be dangerous and be very biased, in the UK we still have things like the BBC, and also, in the intelligent papers, really hot commentators, reporters, and investigative journalists, who can still keep the TV on it's toes. I hear that FOX is a nightmare.
It is said that the days of good investigative journalism are passing, and I for one remember the hugely influential and controversial reports from the likes of the great John Pilger. I think we have this dangerous idea that the internet, and blogging, will do the job instead. It certainly does expose a lot of scandals, but if you want to go for the big structural stories of who does what, knows what, says what,and what thir motives are, then you need an intelligent and dogged journalist. Maybe newspapers have plenty of mileage in them, along with some of the more exciting documentary makers.
If anybody reading this has never heard of John Pilger I HIGHLY recommend looking him up. He is one hell of a phenomenon. I think that when he was most active, quite a few people would have preferred him dead. His reporting stretches all the way back to the Black Civil Rights struggle, mutinies in the US army in Vietnam, the inavasion of Timor by Indonesia, the horrors of Cambodia. He's Australian and he broke nearly all the best stories of the 20th century.  A great, brave, radical humanitarian. To be honest, I'm surpised he's still alive! Even if you didn't agree with him, you had to respect him. he does have views on the current world situation but that's for another forum, which I will probably avoid.

As for the Martian, I suspect it's not one of Pilger's stories.

Incidentally, I'm not getting into any stupid arguments - especially when I have no idea what they're about.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 10:12:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		The phenomenon is called, ironically enough, matrixing. This is the detection of familiar patterns by the brain from the placement of shadows, photographic "noise", errors in the exposure, etc. This is often seen when people stare at screens, rock formations, shadows in the dark, whatever. You mind wants to make these things into objects it wants to see. Fairly common in the case of "ghosts" in pictures of empty rooms, or aliens, or UFO sightings in clouds. Matrixing can also happen with audio, and is common when people look for EVP (electronic voice phenomenon).

This pic will undoubtedly make it to my favorite mag The Fortean Times. They will pick it apart. I will say that it looks a little like a production still from the well known UK hoax movie Alternative 3. If you know what I am referring to, you get a cookie!

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 10:26:46 PM   
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The phenomenon is called, ironically enough, matrixing. This is the detection of familiar patterns by the brain from the placement of shadows, photographic "noise", errors in the exposure, etc. This is often seen when people stare at screens, rock formations, shadows in the dark, whatever. You mind wants to make these things into objects it wants to see. Fairly common in the case of "ghosts" in pictures of empty rooms, or aliens, or UFO sightings in clouds. Matrixing can also happen with audio, and is common when people look for EVP (electronic voice phenomenon).

This pic will undoubtedly make it to my favorite mag The Fortean Times. They will pick it apart. I will say that it looks a little like a production still from the well known UK hoax movie Alternative 3. If you know what I am referring to, you get a cookie!

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Gee, doesn't that cloud lok like a dragon? And that one looks like a fire truck! And the one over there looks like a Matrix games logo!

Same phenom?

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 10:28:27 PM   
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http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 10:30:27 PM   
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If you have found a good paper or some columns to check out great! There are a few columns I like to check but they are available on line for free. No need to subscribe. And you are right, our papers can get stories from associated press (ap) and Reuters. But even those sources I have found to be factually incorrect way more often than they should; without even counting the political side of things.

So, I have found newspapers most usefull for, house breaking dogs, painting projects or cleaning windows.

I tend to get my news from radio, internet and sometimes TV, when I can get the kids to stop watching Spoungebob

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 10:31:57 PM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 10:44:31 PM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 11:21:10 PM   
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The Face on Mars hoax:


In what way was it a "hoax"? Still, no doubt 'Bigfoot' will go the same way when someone takes a closer look.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 11:33:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund


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ORIGINAL: Terminus


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ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund

Whatever. All of the newspapers in Sweden are like Fox...got it.



No, Hortlund... I'm not going to get drawn into another one of your screaming matches. I'm not with the SH crew...


I dont even know what the SH crew is.

Anyway, I find it far far more plausible that the picture is of a rock, than that all newspapers in Sweden have a secret agenda to transform themselves into "my dog was eaten by an alien"-type newspapers.


Sheesh... I'm simply trying to get you to understand that any sort of news provider shouldn't automatically be worthy of respect. But that's probably hopeless.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/23/2008 11:54:08 PM   
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That looks like a re-used picture from the old "In Search Of" Sasquatch episode.

That was the first thing I thought!

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/24/2008 12:12:28 AM   
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Gee, doesn't that cloud lok like a dragon? And that one looks like a fire truck! And the one over there looks like a Matrix games logo!

Same phenom?


Yup. And it is the same one that creates the "Face on Mars" you linked. Human brain, making sense of the random. It is what created similacra in objects (faces in tree knots, faces in tiles, Mary on a window, Jesus in toast).

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/24/2008 12:34:55 AM   
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Yup. And it is the same one that creates the "Face on Mars" you linked. Human brain, making sense of the random. It is what created similacra in objects (faces in tree knots, faces in tiles, Mary on a window, Jesus in toast).

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If you look at the portrait of the Queen on the first printings of 1954 Canadian currency (everyone has some of those laying around don't they?) you can clearly see a Devils face. So many people saw and complained about this in the image that the Mint finally had to start withdrawing those bills from use and replacing them with a new version of the bill that had a different Queens portrait on it.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/24/2008 12:48:03 AM   
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An expert last night, after viewing 3-D images of the object, clearly identified it as a very thin, small, shale-type rock formation. No question. So no little man on Mars....

Clearly it was a very slowwww newsday.... 

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/24/2008 12:58:44 AM   
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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/24/2008 1:02:51 AM   
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As for the picture above:

An expert last night, after viewing 3-D images of the object, clearly identified it as a very thin, small, shale-type rock formation. No question. So no little man on Mars....

Clearly it was a very slowwww newsday....



That can't be right! The expert I saw clearly identified it as a form of Homo Erectus showing clear signs of highly developed intelligence and a clear preference for Hot Chilli. Also - rather keen on Armani suits and a tendency to like avant-garde 1930's French movies.

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RE: Picture from Mars shows humanoid figure? - 1/24/2008 1:26:28 AM   
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