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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 1/30/2008 6:25:08 PM   
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You are:

* distinctively expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* slightly expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed perceiving personality

I'm a "thinker" - "Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition." (Actually the longer descriptions were pretty good - hit the highlights of the things that make me up and the things I struggle with.)

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 1/30/2008 11:32:59 PM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 1/31/2008 3:00:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Procrustes

INTP
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67/75/1/33

You are:

* distinctively expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* slightly expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed perceiving personality

I'm a "thinker" - "Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition." (Actually the longer descriptions were pretty good - hit the highlights of the things that make me up and the things I struggle with.)


I'm starting to think there are quite a few in here who fall into the '1' category for the third slot. I know mine was. It sticks out because you wouldn't think there were enough questions to render such a low result. I mean there weren't even 50 questions were there? If that's true, it's obvious the test is a utter and total fake, as it should be at least be either 0% or 2%.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 1/31/2008 4:44:47 PM   
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Slightly expressed introvert / 22%

Moderately expressed intuitive personality / 50%

Moderately expressed thinking personality / 25%

Moderately expressed judging personality / 44%


Damn three are a lot of us Masterminds on this forum.

Not much room for team gaming here when so many of would just "have" to be in control.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 1/31/2008 7:04:07 PM   
Procrustes

 

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22


quote:

ORIGINAL: Procrustes

INTP
Introverted/Intuitive/Thinking/Perceiving
67/75/1/33

You are:

* distinctively expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* slightly expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed perceiving personality

I'm a "thinker" - "Introverted Thinking with Extraverted Intuition." (Actually the longer descriptions were pretty good - hit the highlights of the things that make me up and the things I struggle with.)


I'm starting to think there are quite a few in here who fall into the '1' category for the third slot. I know mine was. It sticks out because you wouldn't think there were enough questions to render such a low result. I mean there weren't even 50 questions were there? If that's true, it's obvious the test is a utter and total fake, as it should be at least be either 0% or 2%.




When I read through the descriptions of what the different aspects were measuring, it seemed scoring low on "thinking" isn't bad. If you score high on that factor, what it suggests is that you are someone who applies the rules pretty rigorously; scoring low suggests that you are more apt to make a decision on a case-by-case basis. That you are someone who leans more towards mercy than justice, perhaps - or that you are someone who is a bit of an unconventional thinker.

At least that way it makes me sound good.

Meyers-Briggs is an old one - lots of fun. The personality researchers I work with use the "five factor NEO" - I'll see if I can find that one online if I have some time.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 1:37:56 PM   
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Just a few bits of information from scanning the thread.  David Keirsey's theory and Jung's theory have surface compatability, but are really different theories if you dig down any depth.  Those terms like "Field Marshall" come from Kiersey.  Isabel Briggs and her mother Katherine Myers developed the MBTI in the early 1950s from Jung's theories.  The first three letters come from Jung's theory and they added Judging and Perceiving as an aid to decipher the code.  There is a fair amount more depth to the theory than the simple alphabet soup.

Another thing is that online tests have not been as rigourously tested as the real MBTI and may not be that accurate.  The real MBTI only claims an accuracy of 85%.  A lot of factors can cause the test to be wrong: language barrier (non-native speakers mostly), a conflict between your actual preference and societal pressures, being in an unusual mood or state when taking the test, etc.  It is recommended that if a type doesn't resonate, read other types that might be close.  The scores are not a measure of how strong your preference are, but are a measure of probability of how accurate the test was.  If the scores are muddy, the probability that letter is correct is low.  If the scores are strong, the probability that it is correct is high.

Another point: virtually everybody does every function at one time or another.  What is being measured is your preference for one or the other in a forced choice situation.  Sometimes we can become very good at a function that isn't our preference.  To anyone who knows type, you're probably thinking I'm a T now.  Actually I'm an F, I just play a T very well.  Most male Fs and female Ts learn camo at an early age.  It's not socially acceptable for men to be F and women to be T.

I'd also be careful of those statistics such as INTJs are 1% of the population.  That was calculated by Keiresy based on a study done on high school students in the 1950s.  He took the letter by letter breakdown, rounded them off to the nearest handy number (25%, 50%, 75%) and then calculated the percentages for each type and rounded down any fractions.  That's how he got 1% for the 4 IN__ types.  Actual studies done in the last 20 years have found that, while rare, INTJ and INFJ are the two rarest types, but come in around 3% of the population.  N combined with P tends to be more common than N with J, so INTPs and INFPs are a little more common, about 5-6%.  (I'd need to look up the exact percentages to be sure).

I'm also not surprised at the number of N_Js  on this forum.  WitP is the type of game that would likely appeal to someone of that type.  I know I was thinking of something like this back when I was playing Flattop as a teenager and the state of the art in personal computers was the original IBM PC running at 4Mhz.

For anyone who might want to check out communities of people with their type, there are a lot of type mailing lists and forums out there.  I've been helping run the oldest type forum in the world, the INFJ-L mailing list (founded in 1993) for about 10 years now.  http://www.infj.org

I have lost touch with other type communities, but I know all 4 of the IN__ types had vibrant lists (many for each type) at one time.  ENTPs and ENFPs also had very active communities.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 1:41:34 PM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 2:34:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: wdolson

Coming in late on this one.  It looks like I missed it the first time through.  My worlds are colliding.  I've worked with this theory for over 20 years now.  I got qualified to give the real MBTI 10 years ago.

Just a few bits of information from scanning the thread.  David Keirsey's theory and Jung's theory have surface compatability, but are really different theories if you dig down any depth.  Those terms like "Field Marshall" come from Kiersey.  Isabel Briggs and her mother Katherine Myers developed the MBTI in the early 1950s from Jung's theories.  The first three letters come from Jung's theory and they added Judging and Perceiving as an aid to decipher the code.  There is a fair amount more depth to the theory than the simple alphabet soup.

Another thing is that online tests have not been as rigourously tested as the real MBTI and may not be that accurate.  The real MBTI only claims an accuracy of 85%.  A lot of factors can cause the test to be wrong: language barrier (non-native speakers mostly), a conflict between your actual preference and societal pressures, being in an unusual mood or state when taking the test, etc.  It is recommended that if a type doesn't resonate, read other types that might be close.  The scores are not a measure of how strong your preference are, but are a measure of probability of how accurate the test was.  If the scores are muddy, the probability that letter is correct is low.  If the scores are strong, the probability that it is correct is high.

Another point: virtually everybody does every function at one time or another.  What is being measured is your preference for one or the other in a forced choice situation.  Sometimes we can become very good at a function that isn't our preference.  To anyone who knows type, you're probably thinking I'm a T now.  Actually I'm an F, I just play a T very well.  Most male Fs and female Ts learn camo at an early age.  It's not socially acceptable for men to be F and women to be T.

I'd also be careful of those statistics such as INTJs are 1% of the population.  That was calculated by Keiresy based on a study done on high school students in the 1950s.  He took the letter by letter breakdown, rounded them off to the nearest handy number (25%, 50%, 75%) and then calculated the percentages for each type and rounded down any fractions.  That's how he got 1% for the 4 IN__ types.  Actual studies done in the last 20 years have found that, while rare, INTJ and INFJ are the two rarest types, but come in around 3% of the population.  N combined with P tends to be more common than N with J, so INTPs and INFPs are a little more common, about 5-6%.  (I'd need to look up the exact percentages to be sure).

I'm also not surprised at the number of N_Js  on this forum.  WitP is the type of game that would likely appeal to someone of that type.  I know I was thinking of something like this back when I was playing Flattop as a teenager and the state of the art in personal computers was the original IBM PC running at 4Mhz.

For anyone who might want to check out communities of people with their type, there are a lot of type mailing lists and forums out there.  I've been helping run the oldest type forum in the world, the INFJ-L mailing list (founded in 1993) for about 10 years now.  http://www.infj.org

I have lost touch with other type communities, but I know all 4 of the IN__ types had vibrant lists (many for each type) at one time.  ENTPs and ENFPs also had very active communities.

Bill



Thanks for the explanation. It was very enlightening.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 2:55:39 PM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 3:00:50 PM   
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Actual studies done in the last 20 years have found that, while rare, INTJ and INFJ are the two rarest types, but come in around 3% of the population


Great - i've always been told i'm "weird" - now there is statistical proof...

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 3:35:44 PM   
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I'd also be careful of those statistics such as INTJs are 1% of the population. That was calculated by Keiresy based on a study done on high school students in the 1950s. He took the letter by letter breakdown, rounded them off to the nearest handy number (25%, 50%, 75%) and then calculated the percentages for each type and rounded down any fractions. That's how he got 1% for the 4 IN__ types. Actual studies done in the last 20 years have found that, while rare, INTJ and INFJ are the two rarest types, but come in around 3% of the population. N combined with P tends to be more common than N with J, so INTPs and INFPs are a little more common, about 5-6%. (I'd need to look up the exact percentages to be sure).


Yes, that does make sense, as the 50's people are thought generally to have less reclusive nerds going about, and in the age of computers there's that much more of an outlet for them(us). The present society is a lot more individualistic as well, so more INTJ's would be more commonplace than anything the 50's would bring out.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 5:08:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think that personality type (mental composition/subconcious thought process) is determined by external influences - i.e. having computers to play with - anymore than the color of your hair or body build.
I would think all those predispositions that make up a person - are there at birth, so what I am trying to say is that although exposure to technology may give us 'computer nerds' - it wouldn't follow that those same people would think differently - be someone else in personality type if you will - if they were born 20 years before computers...they wouldn't go from computer-nerd to Lumberjack. They would simply more likely have been avid readers or the like.
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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

wdolson:
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I'd also be careful of those statistics such as INTJs are 1% of the population. That was calculated by Keiresy based on a study done on high school students in the 1950s. He took the letter by letter breakdown, rounded them off to the nearest handy number (25%, 50%, 75%) and then calculated the percentages for each type and rounded down any fractions. That's how he got 1% for the 4 IN__ types. Actual studies done in the last 20 years have found that, while rare, INTJ and INFJ are the two rarest types, but come in around 3% of the population. N combined with P tends to be more common than N with J, so INTPs and INFPs are a little more common, about 5-6%. (I'd need to look up the exact percentages to be sure).


Yes, that does make sense, as the 50's people are thought generally to have less reclusive nerds going about, and in the age of computers there's that much more of an outlet for them(us). The present society is a lot more individualistic as well, so more INTJ's would be more commonplace than anything the 50's would bring out.



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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/15/2008 6:55:01 PM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/16/2008 12:51:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		MBTI personality type is about what your preference is, not what you can do.  It is believed that we all have an inborn type preference, but that prference may never be realized if the external pressures are great enough.  People can also mask if they are in a situation where their natural preference isn't allowed.

One of my instructors when I took the training had worked with the US Army.  He said that when he gave the MBTI to these people in a a work setting, he got 90% ESTJ (I believe he said he was doing seminars for junior officers).  When he started telling people to take the test home and take it after dinner when they were kicking back with a beer, he got results that were almost identical to the general population.  The pressure to fit the Army mold caused these people to answer the questions as they were "supposed" to rather than how they really felt.

The 1950s was a very conformist time and the original study was done on high school students in Pennsylvania.  High school is also a very conformist environment.  The 50s study found that the E/I split was close to 65/35 and the S/N split was close to 70/30.  Subsequent studies on adults outside of any institutional setting have found that E/I is very close to 50/50 (the SRI study posted below had introverts as the majority) though S/N remains around 70/30.  The original study found J/P to be close to 55/45, but newer studies have found Js predominate by about 65/35.

The distribution of types is not equal.  ISTJ is the most common type and ISFJ the second most common.  I dug out some data from a talk I gave a few years ago.  SRI is a 1983 study and PA is the 1957 study of Pennsylvania high school students.

Looking at the data again, it looks like INTJs and INFJs were not the rarest in the SRI study.  They are the rarest in most studies I've seen, but all 4 of the IN__ types are usually close in percentages.

ISTJ
SRI: 19.10%
PA: 6.92%   

ISFJ
SRI: 15.57%
PA: 6.82%   

ISTP
SRI: 6.06%
PA:4.16%

ISFP
SRI: 6.70%
PA: 5.40%

ESTP
SRI: 3.98%
PA: 6.52%

ESFP
SRI: 5.43%
PA: 9.37%

ESTJ
SRI:  9.95%
PA: 14.97%

ESFJ
SRI: 9.14%
PA: 13.97%

INFJ
SRI: 2.99%
PA: 1.79%   

INTJ
SRI: 3.26%
PA: 2.62%

INFP
SRI: 3.80%
PA: 3.89%

INTP
SRI: 2.08%
PA: 3.54%

ENFP
SRI: 3.71%
PA: 7.60%

ENTP
SRI: 2.08%
PA: 4.89%

ENFJ
SRI: 2.26%
PA: 3.61%

ENTJ
SRI: 3.89%
PA: 3.93%



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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/16/2008 1:26:50 AM   
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Actual studies done in the last 20 years have found that, while rare, INTJ and INFJ are the two rarest types, but come in around 3% of the population


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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
Great - i've always been told i'm "weird" - now there is statistical proof...


This touches on type dynamics, which is another layer to the theory, but INTJs and INFJs share the same dominant function, introverted intuition (Ni in shorthand). On the INFJ mailing list we have coined a term for those times we say something that seems perfectly normal and straightforward and people look at us like we just stepped off an alien mother ship. We call it the "mother ship look". Something probably every IN_J has experienced.

For those who are interested about type dynamics, this goes back to Jung's original theory and why J/P was added. Jung called I/E the Orientation, S/N the Perceiving Function, and F/T the Judging Function. He also said that in healthy (not mentally ill or severely unstable) people, one of the functions always is dominant (the go to function), and the other is always the auxiliary (or 2nd favorite). There is also an inferior, or least favorite, which is the complete opposite of the dominant. In each function pair, one is extraverted and the other is always introverted.

With extraverts, the world sees their dominant function because that is what is extraverted. With introverts, the world sees the auxiliary because the dominant is introverted and doesn't come out except in rare situations. As mentioned above, a suffix is given to the function letter to show the orientation of the function. ie Te is extraverted Thinking, Si is introverted Sensing, etc.

The E/I orientation is where you naturally go to as a default, either out in the world, which is often social, but can also be activity oriented; or inwardly directed. A study done in the 1990s showed that there were actual brain differences between Extraverts and Introverts. For a given stimulation (in this case lemon juice on the tongue), introverts tended to show more brain activity than extraverts did. The study had recently been reproduced with the same results. The conclusion of the studies were that introverts can get all the brain stimulation they need just sitting there and can get overwhelmed with too much input. Extraverts get less stimulation per event and will go out seeking out more.

S/N is how you collect information, ie Perceive the world. When this function is operating, you are gathering data.

T/F is how you make decisions, ie make Judgements. When this function is operating, you are paring down the pile of data and reaching a conclusion.

Myers and Briggs added J and P to point to which of the middle two letters was extraverted. The descriptions of Perceiving are what S and N have in common when operating in the external world. Similarly, the description of Judging is what F and T have in common when operating in the external world. The other function is always introverted.

I/E tells you which function is dominant. For introverts the dominant is always the introverted one and the opposite is true for extraverts.

This chart shows how this breaks down for each type: Table There is some debate about the orientation of the tertiary, which is why it doesn’t have an orientation in the table.

The four _N_J types all have Ni in the dominant or auxiliary. Introverted intuition is the most abstract and conceptual of the function orientations. This game seems to have a lot of appeal to Ni types from the people who have reported in this thread. I know this game has drawn me in much more than anything else I have ever played.

Obviously other types are just as addicted, absolutely nothing in social science ever has sharp lines. Other types are getting a lot of enjoyment out of this game too. All you can ever talk about is trends in the data.

The fact that this game has drawn such a large share of Ni types is interesting though. Matrix could probably increase market share by targeting other groups that are heavily Ni. For example, Mensa is close to 25% INTJ.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/20/2008 1:42:48 PM   
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EDIT: Ok, finally found the time to take the test: ISTJ

You are:
very expressed introvert (78 - beat that! )
moderately expressed sensing personality (38)
moderately expressed thinking personality (38)
slightly expressed judging personality (11)


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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/20/2008 2:02:18 PM   
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On the INFJ mailing list we have coined a term for those times we say something that seems perfectly normal and straightforward and people look at us like we just stepped off an alien mother ship. We call it the "mother ship look". Something probably every IN_J has experienced.




Story of my life.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/20/2008 2:15:26 PM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/20/2008 9:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info. Another INFJ here. Work as a organizer and lobbyist, I always blamed Dad for my career path, but apparently a test of 72 questions of yes/no can tell me who I am better tham I can.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/20/2008 11:14:11 PM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/21/2008 5:25:04 AM   
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Live a quieter life I'd bet.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/21/2008 8:33:22 PM   
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Here's another personality test - the Five Factor NEO:

http://www.personalitytest.net/ipip/ipipneo300.htm

A bit more background here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEO_PI-R


It's a bit more academic, but fun. Lots of questions - takes a few minutes to take.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/22/2008 12:20:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Procrustes


Here's another personality test - the Five Factor NEO:

http://www.personalitytest.net/ipip/ipipneo300.htm

A bit more background here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEO_PI-R


It's a bit more academic, but fun. Lots of questions - takes a few minutes to take.



I took the test and found many of the descriptions offensive. Compared to the test at the beginning of the thread it portrayed extroverts and introverts almost in completely opposite terms. Both the political persuasion and the personal preferences within each category of the person who wrote the descriptions comes through obviously and glaringly in the connotations of his descriptions.

Example:

The test at the beginning of this thread states that introverts get all the mental stimulation they need without having ot seek it out from other humans and that extroverts have to seek it out from other humans, which has a connotation of being very flattering to introverts and at least somewhat insulting to extroverts (I always new extroverts were weak minded.......just kidding).

The test I just took describes extraversion and introversion thus: "Extraversion is marked by a prounced engagement with the external world. Extraverts enjoy being with people, are full of energy, and often experience positive emotions" which has a decidely positive connotation. "Introverts lack the exuberance, energy and activity levels of extraverts", which carries a decidedly negative connotation.

The example is just the tip of the iceberg. Almost every description in every categroy is rife with the horribly transparent value judgements of the author.

The descriptions of high scores in some categories completely contradict the descriptions for high scores in other categories implying that a high score in one precludes a high score in the other. Well, how exactly, does one explain my high scores in these three, seemingly mutually exclusive categories.

Example:

"Activity Level: Active individuals lead fast-paced, busy lives. They move about quickly, energetically and vigorously, and they are involved in many activities. People who score low on this scale follow a slower, more leisurely, relaxed pace. Your activity level is high."

"Depression: This scale measures the tendency to feel sad, dejected and discouraged. High scorers lack energy and have difficulty initiating activities. Low scorers tend to be free form these depressive feelings. Your level of depression is high."


"Self-Discipline: Self-discipline-what many people call will-power refers to the ability to persist at difficult or unpleasant tasks until they are completed. People who possess high self-discipline are able to overcome reluctance to begin tasks and stay on track despite distractions. Those with low self-discipline procrastinate and show poor follow through, often failing to complete tasks-even tasks they want very much to complete. Your level of self dicipline is high".


So what is it? Am I energetic and vigorous and self dsiciplined enough to be active and start tasks or am I too lacking in energy to do so as a result of my depression?

I might add that I endeavored to answer as honestly as possible to get an accurate report.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/22/2008 12:51:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hans , its a personality test , not a appointment with a phycotherapist!  Take it with a grain of salt. Or treat it like a horoscope. It is not customized to each and every person , it extremely generalized and based on trends , not specifics. Like most things in life , if you seek perfection, you will always be disappointed.



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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/22/2008 4:24:07 AM   
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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/22/2008 5:49:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hans... it means that you are a depressed individual who happens to have the self discipline to overcome the natural reluctance to initiate activity (said reluctance a byproduct of your depression) and once you have initiated that activity you carry it out quickly, energetically and vigorously. As long as the acitivity contemplated isn't suicide (caused by that depression), you should do reasonably well in life...

Of course, I am no psychologist, so it probably means that I am just blowing out my ...

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/22/2008 1:50:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was more concerned with the obvious liberal bias of the author than how inaccurately it assessed my personality.

Read through it for yourselves and tell me if you don't see the obvious liberal bias.

Here is another example in the form of one of the questions:

"You believe people should fend for themselves."

The phrase "fend for themselves" carries an obvious negative connotation and anyone who answers in the affirmative is obviously a calloused and insensitive clod in the eyes of the author.

The question could just as easily have been: " You believe people should be self reliant". Self reliance is a positive thing and the question carries a positve connotation for anyone who answers in the affirmative.

According to the author anyone who is a conservative is automatically denied the statsus of an intelluctual. Only liberals can qualify as intellectuals under the auspices of this test! Conservatives can only attain the status of "highly educated".

The entire thing is piece of village idiot liberal tripe.

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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/22/2008 11:33:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I was more concerned with the obvious liberal bias of the author than how inaccurately it assessed my personality.

Read through it for yourselves and tell me if you don't see the obvious liberal bias.

Here is another example in the form of one of the questions:

"You believe people should fend for themselves."

The phrase "fend for themselves" carries an obvious negative connotation and anyone who answers in the affirmative is obviously a calloused and insensitive clod in the eyes of the author.

The question could just as easily have been: " You believe people should be self reliant". Self reliance is a positive thing and the question carries a positve connotation for anyone who answers in the affirmative.

According to the author anyone who is a conservative is automatically denied the statsus of an intelluctual. Only liberals can qualify as intellectuals under the auspices of this test! Conservatives can only attain the status of "highly educated".

The entire thing is piece of village idiot liberal tripe.


Hi Hans,

I say this with all affection, but you are hysterically funny! I could never have imagined that someone would find a purely academic personality test full of "obviously liberal bias." I think you are being especially sensitive. The value judgments being placed upon those statements are yours, not the authors of the test (which is decades old, by the way.) For example, "fend for themselves" is better wording than "self-reliant" because the reading level is lower and more people will understand the question, giving you more reliable and valid results - it isn't a pejorative.

Take it for what it's worth. Mine just told me things about myself that I already know. I mean, I know I'm a neurotic introvert who isn't very conscientious and who is very agreeable and open to new ideas and experiences - so what? (And read the definitions of those words carefully. The clinical definitions of words like "neurotic" are just that - clinical. They don't mean good or bad. Saying I'm neurotic doesn't make me a mental case or even Woody Allen - it just means I worry a lot, etc.)

This might help some - it's a bit of the preface from my report:

A note on terminology. Personality traits describe, relative to other people, the frequency or intensity of a person's feelings, thoughts, or behaviors. Possession of a trait is therefore a matter of degree. We might describe two individuals as extraverts, but still see one as more extraverted than the other. This report uses expressions such as "extravert" or "high in extraversion" to describe someone who is likely to be seen by others as relatively extraverted. The computer program that generates this report classifies you as low, average, or high in a trait according to whether your score is approximately in the lowest 30%, middle 40%, or highest 30% of scores obtained by people of your sex and roughly your age. Your numerical scores are reported and graphed as percentile estimates. For example, a score of "60" means that your level on that trait is estimated to be higher than 60% of persons of your sex and age.

Please keep in mind that "low," "average," and "high" scores on a personality test are neither absolutely good nor bad. A particular level on any trait will probably be neutral or irrelevant for a great many activites, be helpful for accomplishing some things, and detrimental for accomplishing other things. As with any personality inventory, scores and descriptions can only approximate an individual's actual personality. High and low score descriptions are usually accurate, but average scores close to the low or high boundaries might misclassify you as only average. On each set of six subdomain scales it is somewhat uncommon but certainly possible to score high in some of the subdomains and low in the others. In such cases more attention should be paid to the subdomain scores than to the broad domain score. Questions about the accuracy of your results are best resolved by showing your report to people who know you well.


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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/23/2008 12:34:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure if HansBolter is talking about the link to the Myers Briggs type test or the other one posted recently.  I would not assume any particular political bias on the part of the person who wrote the test, but it does sound like the test creator had some kind of bias they didn't correct for.  There are a lot more biases in the world than political left/right biases.

About the MBTI, the real thing is something you have to pay for.  You're not going to find the exact questions from the real MBTI for free on the net.  All the tests out there are created by individuals and have not gone through the rigorous testing that the MBTI did.  Some are still fairly decent, but what Hans brought up is a common problem with the free tests.

The design of psychology tests is a mix of art and science.  A well designed test is tested extensively to ensure there is no hidden bias.  The latest version of the MBTI Form M was studied in various populations for about 3 years before it went public.  The real MBTI is also available in something between 50 and 80 languages, including several dialects of English and rare languages like Maori.  This is because there are differences in meaning between dialects and that can affect the results.

The goal in test design is to have the choices be equally positive.  A question like

You are:
a) A loudmouth
b) Well behaved

will probably get more B answers than A answers because most people are going to be drawn to the positive sounding term rather than the negative one.

A question more like

You are
a) Out goiing
b) Observant of those around you

would probably be more neutral.  An extravert would be drawn to answer A and an introvert to answer B without going "ick" to the other choice.

Anyway, my 2 cents about bad test design.  The web is awash with badly designed psychological tests.

Bill


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RE: OT: What personality type are you? - 2/23/2008 12:45:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I was more concerned with the obvious liberal bias of the author than how inaccurately it assessed my personality.

Read through it for yourselves and tell me if you don't see the obvious liberal bias.

Here is another example in the form of one of the questions:

"You believe people should fend for themselves."

The phrase "fend for themselves" carries an obvious negative connotation and anyone who answers in the affirmative is obviously a calloused and insensitive clod in the eyes of the author.

The question could just as easily have been: " You believe people should be self reliant". Self reliance is a positive thing and the question carries a positve connotation for anyone who answers in the affirmative.

According to the author anyone who is a conservative is automatically denied the statsus of an intelluctual. Only liberals can qualify as intellectuals under the auspices of this test! Conservatives can only attain the status of "highly educated".

The entire thing is piece of village idiot liberal tripe.

Edit: *sigh*

Edit again: I find the posts of the above author, taken with his avatar to be ironic in the extreme. Are we to assume that his view is an unfiltered analysis? This is the usual garbage mantra that we hear constantly from some groups. Only they (insert whatever inane political, religous, philsophical viewpoint they represent) are rational and only they can see beyond their own personal biases...


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