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Transfering between units - 3/3/2008 8:39:33 PM   
dulsin1

 

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Status: offline 		I have been frustrated looking for how to move strength points between units and I have come up with three different cases. Normaly I have come up with a work around of moving the factors into a city garison then from the garison to the new corps.

1. Moving calvery factors between two corps.

2. Consolidating fleets. I have two light fleets with less than 5 factors and need to get rid of one of the counters.

3. When garisoning a depot in a non-city region I could not move infantry factors from a corp to garrison or vice versa. But when the depot was in a city area I could. (BUG)
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RE: Transfering between units - 3/3/2008 10:11:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Transfers can be done during the Reinforcement phase. The only stipulations are that the units must be in the same area for the transfer to take place. This means 1 and 2 in your post. As for 3, when you are within your own nations borders you can move factors around all you want (to corps/city garrison limits of course). What it sounds like you are describing is when you are outside your nation. In that case, to reinforce units/garrisons, a depot must be present OR the corps to be reinforced must be no more than one area from a depot.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/3/2008 10:17:28 PM   
dulsin1

 

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Status: offline 		In #3 I had dropped 8 factors on a Depot in russia and when backing out I could not move the troops to a corps or disband the depot. I was trying to place a new corps down then move the factors from the depot to the corps.


On the russian wilderness while at war. During my Reinforcement phase.

If I tried this on a depot in a city region there was no problem.


So if I bring my two understrength fleets to a home port I can consolidate? During the naval phase or the reinforcement phase?

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/3/2008 11:00:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dulsin1

In #3 I had dropped 8 factors on a Depot in russia and when backing out I could not move the troops to a corps or disband the depot. I was trying to place a new corps down then move the factors from the depot to the corps.


On the russian wilderness while at war. During my Reinforcement phase.

If I tried this on a depot in a city region there was no problem.


Who were you playing? I am presuming you were not Russia. If you've garrisoned a depot, you cannot remove the depot until the garrison is gone. To remove the garrison from the depot, you must have a corps in the same area as the depot and transfer the factors to the corps during a reinforcement phase. Again, all these transfers would take place during a reinforcement phase.

The only other time factors can be transfered to/from a corps is during a movement phase when you detach/absorb factors from a city garrison (but only to a city garrison). This can be a way around transferring factors between corps if those corps are not stacked together during the reinforcement phase. One corps can drop factors off in a city and then another corps can move into the city later in the movement phase to absorb those factors.

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So if I bring my two understrength fleets to a home port I can consolidate? During the naval phase or the reinforcement phase?

This would be done during a reinforcement phase. I've not tried it myself, but you should be able to consolidate fleets anywhere, not just within a home nation port (e.g. at sea, in a blockade box, etc.). The only stipulation is, obviously, both fleets must be stacked together.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/3/2008 11:43:24 PM   
Jimmer

 

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Status: offline 		Do you have the latest patch? There was a problem in this area that was fixed in the patch.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 12:14:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ted1066


quote:

ORIGINAL: dulsin1

In #3 I had dropped 8 factors on a Depot in russia and when backing out I could not move the troops to a corps or disband the depot. I was trying to place a new corps down then move the factors from the depot to the corps.


On the russian wilderness while at war. During my Reinforcement phase.

If I tried this on a depot in a city region there was no problem.


Who were you playing? I am presuming you were not Russia. If you've garrisoned a depot, you cannot remove the depot until the garrison is gone. To remove the garrison from the depot, you must have a corps in the same area as the depot and transfer the factors to the corps during a reinforcement phase. Again, all these transfers would take place during a reinforcement phase.

The only other time factors can be transfered to/from a corps is during a movement phase when you detach/absorb factors from a city garrison (but only to a city garrison). This can be a way around transferring factors between corps if those corps are not stacked together during the reinforcement phase. One corps can drop factors off in a city and then another corps can move into the city later in the movement phase to absorb those factors.

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So if I bring my two understrength fleets to a home port I can consolidate? During the naval phase or the reinforcement phase?

This would be done during a reinforcement phase. I've not tried it myself, but you should be able to consolidate fleets anywhere, not just within a home nation port (e.g. at sea, in a blockade box, etc.). The only stipulation is, obviously, both fleets must be stacked together.



Acording to manual you can transfer factors from both Garrison and Depots during land move phase.
Think i done so to in games vs ai to. Though dont remember if i had to do anything special for it to work, but doubt it.

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Bresh

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 3:29:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can only transfer factors to Depots during your MOVEMENT phase.  You can NOT transfer factors to depots during the reinforcement phase.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 7:41:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BruceSinger

You can only transfer factors to Depots during your MOVEMENT phase.  You can NOT transfer factors to depots during the reinforcement phase.

Yes, you can.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 7:46:44 AM   
bresh

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jimmer


quote:

ORIGINAL: BruceSinger

You can only transfer factors to Depots during your MOVEMENT phase.  You can NOT transfer factors to depots during the reinforcement phase.

Yes, you can.


Yes, as Jimmer wrote :)

Its not described in the manual, but you can.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 11:04:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another factor (bug) to consider is that in many situations the program doesn't let you transfer factors unless you have at least 1 factor of that type in your pool.

I use the following workaround:
1. transfer 1 factor from a garrison to the pool
2. do the transfer you really want to do
3. transfer the factor from point 1 back to the garrison

I never tried it with cavalry (only inf)m but it should work anyway if you use a cav corps for step 1.



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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 12:38:44 PM   
bresh

 

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ORIGINAL: HanBarca

Another factor (bug) to consider is that in many situations the program doesn't let you transfer factors unless you have at least 1 factor of that type in your pool.

I use the following workaround:
1. transfer 1 factor from a garrison to the pool
2. do the transfer you really want to do
3. transfer the factor from point 1 back to the garrison

I never tried it with cavalry (only inf)m but it should work anyway if you use a cav corps for step 1.




Im guessing this is only during setup, or ?

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 12:51:40 PM   
fvianello


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Status: offline 		It happens during reinforcement phase too

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/4/2008 1:49:53 PM   
bresh

 

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ORIGINAL: HanBarca

It happens during reinforcement phase too


Didnt think it possible to transfer factors back to pool during reinf-step.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/5/2008 2:00:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The tricky part here is that you cannot empty a corps counter in a movement phase - that may only be done in the reinf phase, where you can choose to remove the counter as the next step.

AFAIK, you cannot transfer factors from a depot to a city, or vice versa - they have to go via a corps.

You can only remove factors from the board and put tehm back in the pool during setup.

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RE: Transfering between units - 3/5/2008 2:10:41 AM   
Jimmer

 

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ORIGINAL: bresh

Yes, as Jimmer wrote :)

Its not described in the manual, but you can.

Regards
Bresh

Ahhh, good point. I didn't think about checking the manual. I just tried it and it worked.

However, it did NOT work, or, at least, not well, before the patch.

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