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Mar 30-Apr 4, 1942 - 5/12/2008 2:38:55 PM

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Mar 30, 1942
Makassar and Wau smothered by carrier attacks.
Deliberate attack on Lingayen. 1959-1230, no forts, converts to 587-1637.

Mar 31, 1942
Bandjermasin smothered by carrier attacks.
Deliberate attack on Mandalay. 685-843, 2 forts, converts to 500-554.

Apr 1, 1942
Lingayen smothered by LBA.
Deliberate attack on Singapore. 1371-1579, 9 forts, converts to 832-5876.

Apr 2, 1942
Lingayen smothered by LBA.
Deliberate attack on Baguio. 120-289, 0 forts, converts to 20-601.

Apr 3, 1942
Lautern smothered by CVTF.
Deliberate attack on Lingayen. 1935-1195, no forts, converts to 583-729.

Apr 4, 1942
ABDA SAG attacks IJN landing at Muntok with air support by an RN CVTF. IJN destroyers and Zeros defend. Marginal ABDA victory.
Kendari smothered by CVTF.

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RE: Apr 5-8, 1942 - 5/14/2008 1:53:49 PM

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Experience is that the supply sinks in RHS do three things:
1. Use up supply
2. Ensure any active units in a supply sink hex are supported.
3. Provide a minimal garrison of 200-400 AV, resulting in a failure of Japanese fantasy strategies.

Apr 5, 1942
Manila smothered by LBA.
Makassar smothered by carrier air.
Deliberate assault on Singapore ends up 1-12--the Allies gotta love that supply sink.

Apr 6, 1942
Lingayen smothered by LBA.
Japanese RO-class encounters an ASW TF garrisoning French Frigate Shoal. Since there hasn't been a Japanese SS in the Eastern Pacific since mid-December, that was a bit of a surprise. 4 USN DDs expended 12 depth charges to get 6 hits. (In reality, it would have been more like 50-100 DCs to get 1 near-miss and about 10 systems damage.)
Deliberate assault on Manila starts at 373-53 and ends up 168-1161--the Allies gotta love that supply sink.
Deliberate assault on Makassar by three battalions starts out 113-37 and ends up 14-59--the Allies gotta love that supply sink.
Deliberate assault on Kendari by one battalion starts out 34-16 and ends up 10-481--the Allies gotta love that supply sink.

Apr 7, 1942
Deliberate assault at Lingayen starts out 1937-1147 and ends up 1079-721.

Apr 8, 1942
Manila smothered by LBA.
Deliberate assault at Lingayen starts out 1849-929 and ends up 878-447.

The uber-ASW logic in the game engine means that it's very dangerous to use submarines for three of their important missions: search and rescue, patrol, and reconnaissance. The game programmers seemed to assume:
1. Submarine detection is easy (it ain't).
2. ASW weapons targeting is about 500 times too effective.
3. ASW weapons expenditure per engagement is about 30 times too low.
4. ASW weapons damage is 10 to 20% of what it is in reality.
5. Submarines are much more vulnerable to attack and detection in littoral/shallow environments (that's ass-backwards).
6. Submarines use speed to evade attacks. (They use stealth, creeping along at about 2 knots.)

The way the game engine handles ASW would imply a November class sub at mid-depth in the Atlantic doing 20-30 knots would be in the catbird seat.

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RE: Apr 9-11, 1942 - 5/16/2008 1:11:26 PM

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Apr 9, 1942
Lingayen abandoned by Allies

Apr 10, 1942
Manila smothered by LBA
Amboina smothered by CVTF
Deliberate attack on Mandalay repulsed

Apr 11, 1942
Manila smothered by LBA
Amboina smothered by CVTF
Baguio abandoned by Allies

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Apr 12-14, 1942 - 5/17/2008 10:26:45 PM

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Apr 12, 1942
RN and USN SAGs bombard Muntok.
Bataan, Cebu, and Darwin smothered.
Angeles/Clark captured.

Apr 13, 1942
Buna surrenders
Manila and Iloilo smothered.

Apr 14, 1942
RN and USN SAGs bombard Muntok.
RN CVTF off Balikpapan
Koepang smothered

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Apr 15-18, 1942 - 5/19/2008 12:59:48 PM

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Apr 15 1942
Joure and Ormoc captured
Manila and Gorontalo smothered
USN CVTF attacks Buna
Deliberate attack on Manila, 2274-2130, fort 1, converts to 594-7241
Chinese shock attack at Chengchow forces a Japanese area army (9 divisions) to retreat

Apr 16, 1942
Roxas surrenders

Apr 17, 1942
Kairuku occupied
CVTF engagements with LBA off Soerabaya
Deliberate attack on Mandalay 778-940, fort 3, converts to 180-1181
Cagayan surrenders

Apr 18, 1942
Kokoda occupied
Makassar bombarded
Singapore, Bandjermasin, and Kendari smothered
USN CVTF attacks Buna

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Apr 19-22, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/21/2008 5:43:45 PM

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Apr 19, 1942
Makassar smothered (CVTF)
Chinese drive Japanese out of Wuchang

Apr 20, 1942
Muntok bombarded (by RN SAG)
Munda smothered (USN CVTF)
Makassar finally captured by assault

Apr 21, 1942
Manila smothered
Kaga hits mine and limps home
Air battles over Java

Apr 22, 1942
Manila and Merak smothered
Air battles over Java
Direct assault on Manila 2263-2222 fort 0, converts to 982-6237 (1-6.5)
Direct assault on Amboina 48-43 converts to 24-55
Direct assault on Kendari 33-13 converts to 21-23

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Apr 23-26, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/23/2008 12:56:24 PM

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Apr 23, 1942
Manila smothered.

Apr 24, 1942
Deliberate assault on Kendari, 41-13, fort 0, converts to 18-13.

Apr 25, 1942
Sawahloento smothered (CVTF)
Shock attack on Kendari (a deliberate assault was ordered, so what???) captures it.

Apr 26, 1942
Manila and Medan smothered.
Deliberate assault on Manila (besieged and low in supply) 2158-2364, fort 0, converts to 1080-5617.
Deliberate assault on Singapore (besieged and low in supply) 1455-1615, fort 8, converts to 1001-5116
Deliberate assault on Amboina (besieged) 73-42, fort 0, converts to 33-33, holds.
Shock attack by the Chinese on Nanchang captures it. 21 armies against a garrison. Reminds me of the first time I played D-Day about 50 years ago. My brother and I didn't read the stacking rules, and the game ended with a stack of all the Allied divisions attacking a stack of all the German divisions in the middle of France. My super-stack is currently further north in China.

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Apr 27, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/23/2008 6:08:39 PM

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My Allied opponent had been kicking me out of Chinese cities with shock attacks (usually launched because he was out of supplies and either had to retreat or force me to retreat), and I got nervous about my sieges of Manila and Singapore. So I suggested we run an experiment--he would launch shock attacks at both, deliberate attacks at both, and send me his real move for the game. The results were--ah--interesting.

The gory details:
Shock attacks at Singapore got 3 and 4-1 and ejected the Japanese.
Deliberate attacks at Singapore got 1-1 and didn't.
Shock attacks at Manila got 1-3 and 1-4.
Deliberate attacks at Manila got 1-3 and 1-5.
The key difference may be that the attacks in Singapore were from fortified positions.

Case 13 (shock attacks)
Singapore 1529-1333 fort 8 became 3181-660
Manila 2249-1931 fort 0 became 1144-4797

Case 14 (deliberate attacks)
Singapore 1529-1333 fort 8 became 1598-893
Manila 2249-1931 fort 0 became 1223-3733

Case 15 (shock attacks)
Singapore 1528-1333 fort 8 became 2979-917
Manila 2263-1931 fort 0 became 1211-3577

Case 16 (deliberate attacks)
Singapore 1528-1333 fort 8 became 1713-970
Manila 2263-1931 fort 0 became 805-4057

27 Apr 1942 actual move
Allied CVTF detected at Noumea
Singapore and Sabang smothered.
Deliberate attack at Amboina 1-1, holds.

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Apr 28, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/26/2008 10:18:37 PM

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Deliberate attack at Amboina captures the base.
Torokina surrenders.

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Apr 29, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/27/2008 4:37:11 PM

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That's me, over there, gibbering in the corner. I sent four CVTFs on a trip to Ceylon, and they made a peaceful port visit. What does it take to get them to carry out their orders??? I suppose I did cause the local commanders to have to change their pants.

Apr 29, 1942
Manila smothered.
Four IJN CVTFs swanning off Ceylon.

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Apr 30-May 6, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/31/2008 1:08:11 PM

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Apr 30, 1942
CVTF strikes on Colombo and Trincomalee
Deliberate attack on Manila, 1144-2302, fort 0, converts to 544-8581
Deliberate attack on Chengchow, 1826-5253, fort 2, converts to 185-5915
Wuchow smothered by LBA

May 1, 1942
Deliberate attack on Singapore, 1431-1596, fort 7, converts to 932-5339
Allied shock counterattack at Chengchow, 5143-1337, fort 2, converts to 692-389

May 2, 1942
Port Blair smothered by CVTFs
Deliberate attack on Bataan captures it.

May 3, 1942
Manila and Port Blair smothered

May 4, 1942
Wenchow smothered

May 5, 1942
nil

May 6, 1942
Manila and Akyab smothered.

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RE: Apr 30-May 6, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/31/2008 7:37:24 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: herwin

Apr 30, 1942
CVTF strikes on Colombo and Trincomalee

Net anything interesting?

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RE: Apr 30-May 6, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 5/31/2008 9:25:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: herwin

Apr 30, 1942
CVTF strikes on Colombo and Trincomalee

Net anything interesting?

A merchant at each port was hit. The heavy SAG and CVTF in Colombo were ignored. Don't ask me why.

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May 7-9, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/2/2008 12:13:53 PM

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May 7, 1942
USN CVTF detected near Port Moresby.
Deliberate attack on Manila 2279-2387 fort 0 converts to 668-9257
Deliberate attack on Chengchow 1466-3944 fort 2 converts to 299-1783

May 8, 1942
Four CW merchants sunk by carrier aircraft off Ceylon
Allied shock attack at Chengchow converts to 4-1

May 9, 1942
Allied CVTF smothers Kokoda from just off Port Moresby. Japanese scouts spotted in the hills near Port Moresby.
Deliberate attack on Singapore 1448-1610 fort 6 converts to 982-2670
Rabaul aerial torpedo workshop goes operational.

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May 10, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/3/2008 2:12:27 PM

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May 10, 1942
The IJN opened their torpedo workshop in Rabaul with a bang. Betties hit New Caledonia and Port Moresby. The Aquitania took three torpedos at Port Moresby and sank. The CVTF lurking off the south coast of New Guinea was spotted, but the strike missed. <damn!>

Manila smothered. Maasin captured. The deliberate attack at Palembang was another story. 64-45, fort 3, converted to 18-769.

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RE: May 10, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/3/2008 2:41:16 PM

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Ouch. IIRC the Aquitania could carry almost a full brigade, or even more, depending on the amount of heavy equipment.

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RE: May 10, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/6/2008 3:53:06 PM

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May 11-12, 1942

The May 10 turn triggered the sync bug. Interestingly, the save file caused WiTPTracker to break, suggesting that the sync bug may be associated with a malformed save file.

May 11, 1942
Catanduanes surrenders.
Manila and Port Blair smothered.
Deliberate attack on Manila. 2214-2396, fort 0, converts to 874-7857

May 12, 1942
Nanchang smothered.
Quiet day.

The front line runs south of Mandalay in Burma. Singapore, Manila, and Palembang are holding out. Java has not been invaded. Japanese scouts have been observed outside Port Moresby.

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May 13-18, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/9/2008 10:39:24 AM

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State of play:
1. Singapore holding out
2. Manila holding out
3. Japan holds southern half of Burma
4. Japan holds most of Borneo, Celebes, Amboina, New Guinea.
5. Japanese fast forces returning from a sweep in the Indian Ocean
6. Japanese battleforce based in Rabaul

After the torpedo workshop opened in Rabaul, the USN CVTFs quickly got out of range. To lure them back, the IJN sent the battleforce to bombard Port Moresby. That worked, except that the torpedo bombers in Rabaul concentrated on bombing Port Moresby (secondary mission) rather than hitting the USN CVTFs.

May 13, 1942
Medan smothered

May 14, 1942
Manila and Sawahloento smothered
Deliberate assault on Singapore. 1429-1556 fort 7 converted to 552-2807

May 15, 1942
Palembang smothered
Deliberate assault on Manila 2139-2447 fort 0 converted to 1028-8613

May 16, 1942
Manila smothered.
Air attack from Batavia against IJN fast forces returning to Saigon

May 17, 1942
Manila smothered
IJN battleforce spotted near Port Moresby and attacked by USN CVTFs. Counterattack by a few Betties.

May 18, 1942
IJN battleforce spotted returning to Rabaul and attacked by USN CVTFs. Counterattack by a few Betties
Deliberate assault on Singapore. 1287-1481 fort 7 converted to 1376-2635

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May 19-22, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/10/2008 4:14:47 PM

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May 19, 1942
Manila smothered.
Deliberate attack on Manila 2096-2458 fort 0 converts to 1412-7893

May 20, 1942
Wau surrenders
Manila smothered
AVG runs into a Tony group
Deliberate attack on Palembang 57-46 fort 3 converts to 6-676 (I think a lot of the 676 is a supply sink)

May 21, 1942
Joure surrenders to the Allies

May 22, 1942
Nanchang smothered.
Zamboanga captured.

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May 23-June 4, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/14/2008 10:55:22 PM

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May 23, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Manila

May 24, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Manila
Deliberate assault on Manila: 2000-2481, fort 0 converts to 678-11397 (that is, a base 2000-2481 attack becomes a 678-11397 attack)

May 25, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Manila, Wenchow, and Pucheng

May 26, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Singapore and Wenchow

May 27, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Singapore

May 28, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Manila

May 29, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Manila
Deliberate assault on Manila: 2007-2478, fort 0 converts to 705-9709

May 30, 1942
Japanese troops enter Wucheng and Wuchow
Deliberate assault on Singapore: 1433-1454, fort 7 converts to 882-2192
Singapore runs out of supplies

May 31, 1942
Merchant cruiser Kanimbla attempts to interfere with transport (CVE) TF at Muntok and is sunk
Chinese deliberate assault on Wuchow force: 526-140 fort 0 converts to 549-9.

June 1, 1942
Palu captured.

June 2, 1942
Waihai captured.

June 3, 1942
Heavy air attacks on Manila
Batavia launched two air strikes against transport (CVE) TF at Muntok. No hits
Deliberate assault on Manila: 1959-2502 fort 0 converts to 794-9749
Japanese troops enter Nanching

June 4, 1942
AVG attacks an Oscar base at Magwe. 6 of 21 AVG fighters lost; no Oscars lost.
Japanese deliberate assault on Wuchang by an army: 2120-3675 fort 2 converts to 11-5467
Japanese deliberate assault on Singapore by a fully prepared and supplied reinforced corps, Singapore has no supplies: 1391-1354 fort 7 converts to 1146-1729

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June 5-June 12, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/19/2008 3:43:41 PM

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June 5, 1942
Lost another sub. At this rate, I won't have any by Dec 42
Makale and Parepare captured.

June 6, 1942
Deliberate assault on Akyab is repulsed.
Pulling troops out of Singapore for Johore, Manila for Lucena (mistake, later marched to Angeles), and Wuchang for Hanyang

June 7, 1942
Air attacks on Manila

June 8, 1942
Fakfuk captured.

June 9-10, 1942
Air attacks

June 11, 1942
San Jose Buenavista and Mindoro captured.

June 12, 1942
A good day for Japanese fighters. 71 AVG Tomahawks raid Magwe, opposed by 25 Oscars. Seven Oscars and 15 Tomahawks shot down. Similar activity near Sumatra.

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June 13-June 22, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/23/2008 4:14:18 PM

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Other than LBA attacks on Manila, and an Allied SAG hitting an IJN transport convoy at Muntok on the 21st, nil.

The Japanese side hunkers down to rebuild its units and prepare for the Final Offensive.

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June 23-July 2, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 6/29/2008 1:02:14 PM

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Both sides regrouping. A couple more IJN subs were lost in intel collection missions. Allied SAG hits Muntok on 24 June when a small transport TF was unloading. Port Moresby and Manila targets of air operations. A few IJN carriers spotted operating off eastern New Guinea.

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Jul 3-16, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 7/16/2008 11:49:38 AM

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Generally quiet as the Japanese regroup.

July 3--RN SAG bombards Muntok.
July 4--Deliberate attack on Manila, 2488-2591 adjusts to 2571-9733.
July 5--RN SAG bombards Muntok.
July 6--Deliberate attack on Palembang, 244-47, fort 3, adjusts to 136-649.
July 9--Search aircraft bombs and sinks RO-62.
July 11--Deliberate attack on Palembang, 252-42, fort 3, adjusts to 46-586.
July 13--Deliberate attack on Manila, 2899-2578 adjusts to 2795-5889
July 16--Thai-escorted convoy runs into friendly minefield at Muntok, clearing it and losing two DDs.
July 16--Shock attack on Singapore, 1677-1164, fort 6, adjusts to 725-539. No reduction in fortification level.

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RE: Jul 17-19, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 7/17/2008 2:21:12 PM

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July 17, 1942

IJN CVTFs smother a socked-in airfield with massive airstrikes.
Shock attack on Manila (supply-less) 2649-2521 fort 0 adjusts to 3469-5041
Deliberate attack on Palembang 243-41 fort reduced to 2 adjusts to 79-583
Shock attack on Singapore (supply-less) 1388-1100 fort 6 adjusts to 0-802

July 18, 1942

RN SAG attacks Muntok. Smartly avoiding the protective minefield (355), the TF enters the harbour and shoots up the supply convoy.
Shock attack on Tobouli 153-1 fort 0 adjusts to 248-1389 as it comes up against an industry fortress.

July 19, 1942
IJN CVTF 5 pursuing the RN SAG at full speed gets hit by hundreds of aircraft from Batavia. For some reason, scheduled airstrikes never launch although the Dutch attacks ignored the Zuikaku. The TF limps off to Saigon.

Why do I feel like this game is taking place in Cloud-Cuckoo-Land?

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Jul 20-21, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 7/18/2008 2:39:37 PM

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July 20 1942
Shock attack on Singapore (unsupplied industry fortress)
1444-1056 reducing fort to 2 converts to 1719-377

July 21 1942
Shock attack on Manila (unsupplied industry fortress)
2253-2474 converts to 2600-5101

Deliberate attack on Palembang (supplied industry fortress)
293-34 reducing fort to 1 converts to 77-547

Shock attack on Singapore (unsupplied industry fortress)
1238-1048 reducing fort to 0 converts to 828-284

Shock attack on Toboali (industry fortress)
155-1 fort 0 converts to 46-1409

Deliberate attack on Akyab (industry fortress)
645-536 fort 3 converts to 195-1791

I expect I can capture Singapore by the beginning of August. I don't expect to ever capture the other positions. Manila is particularly hard to take. I currently have a reinforced area army in the city, and it's clear I need another nine divisions to get 1-1.

I think I must conclude that RHSAIO is the USN War Plan Orange fantasy scenario--the Philippines can hold out indefinitely until relieved. I'm sure MacArthur expected to do as well.

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RE: Jul 20-21, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 7/18/2008 4:29:12 PM

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My opponent says he knew there was a problem with the RHS supply sink model when in December 1941 the Japanese invasion force in Malaya was unable to get 1-1 odds on the Kuala Lumpur industry fortress. He just removed the supply sinks at the positions currently holding me up to give my ground forces a chance, and we're sailing ahead looking for other bugs.

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RE: Jul 22-27, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 7/24/2008 2:44:49 PM

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24 July 1942

Deliberate assault on Akyab. 541-528, fort 3, converts to 256-1357

25 July 1942

Shock attack on Manila (out of supply). 1976-2439, fort 0, converts to 1361-5769. City is untakeable. The current investing force is a reinforced area army (9 divisions).

27 July 1942

Shock attack on Singapore (out of supply). 1200-997, fort 1, converts to 1642-247. Surrenders.

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RE: Jul 28-Aug 3, 1942 RHSRAO 7.78972 - 8/20/2008 9:14:18 AM

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28 July: Toboali captured by shock attack.

29 July: Manila shock attack. 1744-2406 fort 0 converts to 1299-5821. (The Philippines Army in Manila has no supply).

2 August: Palembang deliberate attack. 290-30 fort 1 converts to 237-37 and is captured. (My opponent had edited the save file to get rid of the industry fort which had previously caused a 293-34 fort 1 attack to convert to 77-547.)

Experience with el_cid's industry fort innovation is that it has dramatically non-linear effects. In addition, putting the whole of the Philippine Army in Manila seems to create an untakeable fortress, at least for RHS. This is because the urban terrain modifier of x4 takes an unsupplied force of 2400 and makes it effectively stronger than any Japanese land force that can be deployed to the Philippines. In both cases (and also in Singapore) the overwhelming supply drain of a besieged urban population is overlooked by the game.

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Mid-August - 9/15/2008 4:29:44 PM

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Sumatra is being cleared. Not much else is happening.

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