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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/6/2008 3:56:56 AM

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21 Dec 1941

Good and Bad news today. Japanese Zeroes and Nells start operating from Kuching and sink CL Dragon on their first raid to Singapore. The good new is that I noticed my Buffalos were holding up amazingly well during that attack; so, I check and one group has 67 Avg Exp with one pilot at 92 Exp. This group may need to be pulled out of there real soon. The Aussies Buffalo squadron has some nice exp in it too. Good new at Singapore is that Repulse is down to 35 Flot Damage (88 SYS). So if things can hold a little longer , I may be able to get her out yet. Her 3 kt max speed is a defintite hinderance right now.

SS KXVII torpedoed an AP. The daring boys in their plywood toys strike again! US PT's engage, torpedo and sink a AP in the Sibuyan Sea. Again dozens of sorties are flown into the South China Sea for no hits.

Finally, an AmpTF appears at Tarawa and it falls. There is a small SCTF with this TF. KB is missing and has been so for over a week. US CV's sortie south out of PH towards Canton Island hoping to maybe run afoul of a lightly defended AmpTF - and of course not run afoul of KB.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/6/2008 10:55:18 AM

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Why did you disband any USAFFE air units? Why not spend the PPs to change them to SWPac command. That way you don't have to wait 90 days for the unit to reappear, and can transfer it to some base in the DEI which has adequate supplies to allow for aircraft replacements, and then fly them back to the Philippines - particularly useful for your PBY units which you previously said were down to only 4 aircraft.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/6/2008 4:50:02 PM

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I disbanded one B-17 Unit and one P-40E. My thinking was that it takes too weak units and makes one not so weak unit that can then be moved out at a later date. The reappearance is just 90 days off and will occur at the West Coast which is most likely going to be closer to where I will need the planes by then and closer to the replacement sources. I realize replacements aren't actually shipped but are instead a fuintion of supply, but the WC is where the supply is.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/7/2008 3:04:50 AM

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Nothing at all happened today of note on the combat report. Does that tell anyone reading about Greasylakes pace?

The three US CV's have sortied towards Canton Island. Hoping to find my some AP's or AK's unprotected.

Mersing holds. Just a few more days until the last few units from northern Malaya come south

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Clark Falls - 4/8/2008 1:00:57 AM

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Clark Field fell today as did Lae. I was really surprised that Greasylake had enough AV to dislodage the defenders especially considering 48th Div is still routing out remnants in northern Luzon. Bunch of mixed Brigades and a few Armor Regiments. So I've fallen back on Manilla which to my shock only has 1 fort (66% to 2). I am really surprised here as most of the places I started forts being built on 8 Dec are to level 3 or more. No damage to port or airfield right now. Didn't get an engineer count but this is not a good thing. I think Larry may be trying to eliminate the PI early to free up units for other ops. This explains why I have seen so little activity elsewhere. Was hoping to keep the PI an active theatre at least to February - this seems unlikely now.

Mersing continues to hold but Japanese naval aviation at Kuching has made the northern Java Sea and South China Sea a killing zone. Repulse watch: Flot 8, sys 88. Still have hopes of getting her out but need to hold off the Japanese for at least a few more weeks. At this pace I suspect I will lose both Manilla and Singapore in the early to mid part of January. Not what I was looking to accomplish. At the same time, Greasylake's failed Coup d' Main at Mersing may be a blessing as Japanese troops in Malaya are now separated into two forces 180 nm apart. This may buy me a week or so. Time to start fortifying the last hex before Singapore on the west coast (name escapes me)

Dutch subs scored 2 more hits this turn. US subs scored none but poor SS Pike was attacked 4 times by Japanese ASW forces - no hits. Maybe the crew picked up a snake before departing Manilla? Betty's at Davao are trying to hit ships at Balikapapan. I think it is extreme range so no torps. Have to decide if I want to scoot further south or stay and hope to pick off an odd Betty or 2.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/8/2008 11:00:32 PM

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25 December 1941

Merry Christmas!

No new invasiosn this turn but some things are happening. First Bettys from Davao are now attacking my units on the eastern shore of Borneo. So I will definitely be moving them now. My British and Dutch LBA continues its neuisance raids on Japanese shipping.

Taiping falls as does Nag. Here the combat routine is not in my favor as Greasylake had put two armored units in Manilla after the fall of Clark Field. I kicked them out this turn but after the Naga combat. Ergo, all units in Naga surrender as they had no place to go evne though they really did. I am sure this will be just one of my many frustrating moments with the land combat system.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/10/2008 5:18:37 AM

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Well this is the off day in our alternating day routine. PT's attempt an intercept at Legasapi and sink a PC but are driven off before the can get into the transports. Sending them to Lingayan this turn.

LBA from Kuching poiund Saingpore and hit Repulse. System damge is at 95. I will mourn the loss of this ship. Maybe I should move the AVG into Singapore. Might suprise Greasylake a bit.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/11/2008 6:20:40 PM

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Well you knew things would happen today because it was the "on" day of our on/off pattern. Invasions occured at both Brunai and Miri today on the norht coast of Borneo. Neiter base fell on the first assault so I interpret this as small units landings. Greasylake has figured out that any unsupported landing is at risk; so, I have not seen landings supported by at least a CA based SCTF in a week.

I forgot to mention theat what I think was half of KB appeared yesterday off Rabaul and sunk CL Adelaide. Greasylake kind of talked a little smack about that in his e-mail. I was kind of like sinking a aged CL with 150 carrier based bombers is not exactly brilliant tactics - its just brute force. I think he was getting a little tired of my PT's and Dutch subs poking at him that he needed to show me he could still bring the hammer when he chose to. Hope it makes him feel better about the situation because my feeling is that this game is not about what happens in Dec 1941, but what happens after May 1942. Everyday he fails to exploit his current advantages is another day I have to prepare my defense so that I can meet him on equal footing in a few months.

Greasylake and I had am interesting discussion about our play styles. I think we are both pretty conservative players. neither us like taking chances or risking forces unnecessarliy. I hope to show him that my conservative style has a side he may not expect and that is I beleive in being opportunistic and sneaky. If he continues his present operating pattern, he is about to get a nasty surprise. We shall see.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/12/2008 2:44:22 AM

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I seemed to have lost a few days here. Very little to report good. The troops at Mersing are now trapped as I failed to guard the back door and Greasylake slipped a unit into Jahore Buta which fell this turn. Miri fell but Brunai did not - only 439 troops on the attack.

I have moved a squadron of the AVG into Singapore to hopefully bolster the defense there. Daily Bombing runs are eating up supply.

The new year is about to turn and I feel like I haven't accomplish a thing in terms of defense. Don't seem to really have any troops of a/c to play with at this time.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/13/2008 2:07:21 AM

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31 December 1941

Well the first "year" of the war comes to a close. I plan to post monthly updates form this point on but am making an exception this month as I will post the update on the 7th (one full month of war). At this point my biggest frustration is my inability to kill anything. I have damaged dozens of ships but have sank just a few. My subs and LBA have done a nice job in the South China Sea but with so few "hard kills" I fear it is just useless dissipation of my strength.

No bases fell this turn. The only attack was at Brunai where Larry's attack failed - only 200 troops attacking. I only have a BF there so it will likely fall next turn but if it doesn't, he will likely have to move fresh troops in.

My TF with the moderately damaged PH ships made it to SF today. I am sending the CA's to Seattle, leaving the 3 BB's at SF, sending the Cl's to LA, and the DD's to San Diego. Still have 5 BB's and more at PH with > 65 sys damage. I will leave them there until damage falls below 50.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/13/2008 4:49:06 AM

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You may have sunk more ships than you realise. There is a delay of up to 60 days before a sunk enemy ship actually appears on the sunk ships report. It is part of the FOW.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/13/2008 5:53:32 PM

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Only 5 months until Zero bonus goes away. That is if it exists in Big Bob 1.4. To be frank, I really don't know what this mod brings to the table. Good day for the submariners of ABDA. KXVII put 2 TT's into an AK off Saigon and then S-37 put two into an AP off Kuching and then surfaced and through a few shells in too.

No new invasions today but Greasylake finally flew in some paras to take Brunei. The Dutch BF takes to the jungle. Treied to sneak some AK's into Singapore and was successful, however they won't be leaving as they got chewed up. Repulse is down to 93 sys damage.

CS TF are moving in the Eastern Pacific and Western IO. While I still have very few combat troops to move around, at least they will be supplied.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/13/2008 9:10:57 PM

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Nothing happened this turn. Wow!. Lots of bombardments by a/c but no invasions.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/14/2008 4:27:08 AM

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Things are heating up. No new invasions but the IJN is on the move. See attached image of the South China Sea. This is likely the end of the naval forces attached to ABDA. My only hope is that I will be able to take some important Japanese ships with me.

Of note I also got this report

ASW attack near Kwajalein at 81,84

Japanese Ships
CVL Shoho
CVE Taiyo
AV Sanyo Maru
AV Sanuki Maru
AV Kamikawa Maru
AV Kimikawa Maru
AV Kiyokawa Maru
CA Chokai
CL Katori
ML Tokiwa
ML Tsugaru
ML Okinoshima
ML Ikitsushima
AS Jingei
AS Chogei
AS Taigei
AS Nagoya Maru
AS Rio de Janiero Maru
AS Yasukuni Maru
AS Manju Maru
AS Tsukushi Maru
DD Michishio
DD Murasame
DD Inazuma
DD Yayoi
PC Shimushu
PC Hachijo
PC Kunashiri
MSW Wa 14
MSW Wa 19
MSW W.1
MSW W.2
MSW W.7
MSW W.9
MSW Banshu Maru #8
MSW Banshu Maru #56
MSW Choun Maru #6
MSW Choun Maru #18
MSW Choun Maru #21
MSW Chitose Maru
MSW Fuji Maru
MSW Fukeui Maru #7
MSW Fumi Maru #2
MSW Kyo Maru #5
MSW Misago Maru #11
MSW Musashi Maru
MSW Seki Maru #3
MSW Shonan Maru #7
MSW Shonan Maru #8
MSW Sonobe Maru
MSW Tama Maru #5
MSW Tomozono Maru #3
MSW Toroshima Maru
MSW Toshi Maru #1
MSW Toshi Maru #5
PG Busho Maru
PG Chohakusan Maru
PG Daido Maru
PG Eifuku Maru
PG Hakkaisan Maru
DD Mochizuki
DD Kisaragi

So Oviously Greasylake intends a secondary push in the Central Pacific. I have 3 CV's in the area of Canton Island now escorting convoys to Suva. Hopefully I may be able to use these to interdict any moves in this area. It is such a relief knowing where his forces are located even if I really can't stop him.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/15/2008 7:11:08 PM

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6 Jan 1942

Greasylake and I ran quite a few turns this weekend so I am a bit behind as far as the AAR. Tomorrow will bring the first recap as we will be officially one month in. Here is teh SitRep for today:

PI: Well my suspicions that Larry was taking the PI first approach was confirmed as you can see from the attached image. So five Divisions are at Manilla. I suspect after a few more days of preparoty bombardments, a second deliberate attack will end the battle for Luzon for all intensive purposes. Good news is I think I have a handle on the location of all 10 Infantry divisions Larry starts the game with: 5 in Manilla, 3 (I think) in Malaya, 1 in Kuching, and 1 (Imperial Guards ?) marching into Burma. Some one with a better handle on OOB might be able to shed a little light here.

NEI Half (I think) of KB is in the Java Sea wreaking havoc on what little combat power I have left. There are several AmpTF out there but the only ones landing anywhere have been on the west coast of Malaya. I suspect this is the reinforcement for the push on Singapore. It is definitely clear that Greasylake has adopted a PI, Malaya, DEI approach

SoPac The other half of KB has reappeared north of Rabaul. No AmpTF in sight yet. Japan only holds Lae and one small base (AB extended map has me confused as to which one) in PNG

Everywhere else is quiet.

After finishing escorting the first convoys into Suva, I am thinking about sending my carriers to raid Kwajalein - historically a few weeks early but with all the units I know are there, it is a tempting target. Is it worth the risk. Got some time to consider it

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 5:19:04 AM

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Hi vettim89,

Just so you know, IJN Fighter Squadrons start with 80 - 90 experience(as in stock), so they do not get the ZB in this mod...their experience already gives them that bonus.

I haven't kept up on your AAR until now - but I am afraid you have much pain and suffering to go...until mid 1942 at the earliest.

Since you don't know much about the mod - I would suggest you read the 'readme file notes'.

There's nothing for either side to be afraid of - no 'Easter Eggs'. But it puts force levels and OOB's pretty much where they were historically, air combat is a lot less bloody than stock, and naval ships have been re-rated to a standardized realistic uniform standard...those are the main benefits.

The Japanese can really run amok as John IIIrd is proving in his AAR with this mod, but with good planning and LUCK you will do as well as the Allies managed historically.

Land forces will take care of themselves for better or worse - but if I can give you (as the Allied player) one bit of strong advice - DO what the US Navy historically did in 1942...make single CV TF's(about 9-14 ships) with a good leader, keep your CV TF's together in the same 60 mile hex and following one Leader CV TF, and you should survive 1942 - and maybe even deliver a whipping as in Midway.

Good luck, and good hunting,

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Only 5 months until Zero bonus goes away. That is if it exists in Big Bob 1.4. To be frank, I really don't know what this mod brings to the table. ...

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:45:44 PM

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Big B wrote

Just so you know, IJN Fighter Squadrons start with 80 - 90 experience(as in stock), so they do not get the ZB in this mod...their experience already gives them that bonus.

Thanks for the visit Big B. I have like this better. I prefer that the early war advantages the Japanese had be something tangible as opposed to just a "fudge factor" Thanks for you notes on the Mod. I realize that as laid out now, I have no hope of keeping my opponent from taking anything he really wants for some time. My goal is just to make it hurt as much as possible. I have put a special priority on getting at his lift as much as possible and you will see from my next few post, I am off to a good start.

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:52:48 PM

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The war is a month old. This turn finds half of KB in the western Java Sea pounding my surface forces. I decided to split them up into pieces and scatter them as opposed to just letting them die in place. Only 2 WWI era DD's remain undamaged as far as the US Asiatic Fleet goes. Greasylake continues to unload LCU's on the west coast of Malaya. IN the PI he attempts another attack on Manilla reducing forts to 1 but I get the feeling from Greasylake that he bolt is shot for a few days here

The other half of KB is NE of New Britain attempting to reduce Allied air power there.

Strategic updates to follow

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:53:51 PM

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The situation at PH

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:56:02 PM

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My ships lost - not bad but Repulse remains in Singapore harbor with 93 sys damage

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:56:22 PM

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Greasylakes's ship losses - extends off the bottom. My total reported transport sinkings are 10 AP, and 9 AK. Not a bad start

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:57:29 PM

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The situation in the PI - not pretty

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 10:58:46 PM

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AC losses - the bulk of my losses were in the first 2 days on the ground. Been very happy with my Buffalo pilots

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 11:00:32 PM

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Situation in SE Asia. You can see the dispersal of Greasylakes forces in Malaya and the one unit (Assumed Imp Guards) marching into Burma

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/16/2008 11:01:57 PM

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Finally the SRA. Only the North coast of Borneo is gone

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RE: Vettim89 vs Greasylake - no oily bodies of water al... - 4/19/2008 4:21:14 PM

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10 Jan 1942

It has been a very slow few days. KB West has pulled back into the South China Sea. KB East is still near the Admiralty Islands. Greasylake continues to push hard on Manilla with intense bombing on a daily basis and he tried another deliberate attack on the 10th.

US CV's are heading north towards PH where they will replinish. The exception to that is Yorktown which is heading through the shipping channels towards Tahiti. I am still considering the Kwajalein raid. Any opinions on this?

AT this stage of the game I am not moving any high value units into the SoPac/CentPac area. My thinking is no sense in putting them out there just to die. I am moving small CD and AA units to Midway, Johnston I, and Palmyra. I have changed my defensive thinking over the past week. Instead of the "Line in the Sand" approach I was considering before, I think I am going with the "Pebble in the Pond" approach - start in the center and slowing work out. SO I am focusing on PH first, the Johnston I, then Midway and Palmyra, then Canton Island, etc. Having read the "Forlorn Hopes AAR", I realize trying to hold places where you are not strong in 1942 just causes the Allied player to dissipate his strength before it has a chance to reach critical mass. That was not meant to be a slam on Canoerebel at all, I think he has played an amazing game considering John 3's early success.

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Where's Fred - 4/19/2008 4:58:12 PM

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Time to catch up on poor Fred

11 Jan 1942

Able Seamen Fred Barnett (RAN) and 5 other Vendetta survivors make their way onto the causeway - the final leg of the three week journey from Mersing to Singapore. This is their third attempt today to try to get across to the island; the previous two interupted by air raids. Smoke still rises from the city as a reminder that it has only been a few hours since the Japanese Nell bombers have left their calling card. Fred still cannot beleive it took so long to get to Singapore but with the Japanese advancing so rapidly through Northern Malaya, the "roads" are jammed with refugees heading south and supply convoys heading north. Then just as their little group passed through Johore Baru, the damn Japanese showed up again and start unloading troops. Fred is beginning to think the whole point of this war was for the Japanese to find and kill him!!!!!!!!

As they make their way into the navy base, Fred is amazed at the sight before his eyes. Its Repulse! He was sure she was a goner after he saw her take at least 3 torpedoes that night off of Kota Bharu. After a few inquires, he discovers this great ships odyssey has been as harrowed as his own. The crew was able to stem the flooding the night of the attack and good fortune smiled upon them as foul weather set in and covered their return to Singapore. The gates to the King George VI Graving Dock were already opened as she entered the harbor and she was immediately ushered in. Dock workers set about pumping out all the sea water and began to patch up the gaping holes in her sides. The plan was to temporaly seal the ship up and get her out of the war zone ASAP. Disaster struck the day after Christmas when Betty bombers flying out of northern Borneo bombed the port. Several bombs hit Repulse and worse she was knocked off her blocks in the dry dock. Her starboard screw was damaged beyond repair and even though she can now float, hope of saving her has all but faded.

Fred reports to the quartermaster at the Naval base and is ordered to assist in the strengthening of the harbor's defenses. Fred is beginning to wonder if the next time the Japanese come for him if they may finally be successful.

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To Kwajalein or not to Kwajalein - 4/19/2008 8:42:17 PM

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Really don't know who if anyone is following this AAR, but I was wondering how readers might feel about the Kwajalein raid. As long as I know where KB is, do you think its worth the risk?

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RE: To Kwajalein or not to Kwajalein - 4/20/2008 10:30:56 AM

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Well, the other thing to factor in is whether he has Betty/Nells at Kwajalein. At this stage his air naval units should still be highly experienced whilst your Wildcats will be less experienced. He doesn't have to actually sink your carriers, as long as he puts them into drydock and removes your fleet in being, you may find the raid to have been counter productive.

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RE: To Kwajalein or not to Kwajalein - 4/20/2008 5:59:38 PM

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Well, the other thing to factor in is whether he has Betty/Nells at Kwajalein.� At this stage his air naval units should still be highly experienced whilst your Wildcats will be less experienced.� He doesn't have to actually sink your carriers, as long as he puts them into drydock and removes your fleet in being, you may find the raid to have been counter productive.

Alfred

Well that is my big concern. I wish their was a non-gamey way to find out. I could send a single empty AK out that way but that is just too ahistorical for me. There are a/c at Maeolap (sp?) and Kwajalein but those could just be search a/c. He has Betty's at Kuching, Jolo Island, and Davao. Nells at Saigon and Kota Bhura. I don't know how many he has total. We have a house rule that any unit that transfers more than 9 hexes have to stand down one day. SO if there are no Betty's Nell's there, I am okay as long as I can get in and out in a day.

I really want to give Greasylake a bloody nose right now. I need to restrain myself so that my desire to do something does not cause me to blunder into a situation that I will regret for a long time. At the same time, the two small carriers at Kwajalein are a huge temptation

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