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MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 7:24:18 AM   
dgk196

 

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Status: offline 		Sometime ago, I found a source for printed maps of 'Russia'. They were topographic and the set was made up of a survey, which apparently was completed in early summer of 1941!

Do I have anybody's attention yet? Good!

The scales where either 1:200,000 (perfect for CS)and 1:100,000 (PzC). But the price was high.

Now the good news. Go to this website, Mapstor.com, you will find downloads of said same maps, I believe. I just downloaded the 'Kursk','Belgorod' and 'Volgorod' sets, a total of 209 maps. They are in color and in Russian, so get out your dictionaries. The total cost? $12.00 U.S. dollars, thats right twelve dollars!

They also have a 'Ukraine' set for $35.00. It includes 135 1:200,000 scale maps, 558 1:100,000 scale maps and 35 1:50,000 scale maps.

Dennis

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 11:11:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		45 maps for 4 dollars. NICE!!!  Thanks Dennis

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 11:24:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hallo dgk196
This soviet maps are produced in the 70ths and 80ths - modern maps. For the WWII you need the russian maps 1:100000 from the 30ths. The urban and forest situation and the infrastructur are very different in the last 60 years. To use this maps for JTCS (EF) you play in not correct historian terrain. It is than an phantasie-scenario. Many of the original EF scenarios have the same problem !!!

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 11:36:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ach,Du liebe Gott!Es ist nur ein spiel!!Warum muss alles so perfekt sein?JTCS ist nur fur Spass!!!!!!!Der Sovietisches Union in 1938 ist kaum der selber Land wie heute,aber mit nich so viel McDonalds und Merceds Benz!!!

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 11:45:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Theres nothing wrong with a Mercedes  Although if you eat to much McDonalds your gonna die   The maps are not perfect I had the entire Ukraine at one time. I downloaded them from some site years ago. But they do work well enough for the game   

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 11:50:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im sure they will be fine,lets face it theres not been many major changes to the general infastructure of the Ex Soviet Union or to its topographical features(unless somone dropped an atom bomb, and didnt tell anyone)since the War,its not like the Soviet Union/Russia has major earthquakes and Tsunamis to modify the Geography is it?

Also when was the last mention of Disney to build DisneyCommune in the urals or have the Spinsky Brothers Film Company build a theme Park in downtown Petropavlovsk????

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/1/2008 11:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		On a serious note i have a contact in the Imperial War Museum in London with access to most era maps of all scales and areas,the real deal and about £12 easch.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 12:00:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The hills haven't worn down that much I'm sure.   That's cool andym that would come in handy.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 12:01:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well certainly some Private Equity Firm hasnt bought them and shipped them to florida.LOL

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 12:02:51 AM   
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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 12:06:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tide1212

That's cool andym that would come in handy.



PM me or send me an email for deatails if you are interested.My contact is one of the Librarians there.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 12:29:46 AM   
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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 1:42:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry guys, I have to remember to be more specific. I read on their original, buy our paper maps site, that these where the basis for the maps you see now. Is it correct? For comparison, check out google earth. I use it to help orient myself on the topographical maps but one thing stands out on both, the post WWII features really stand out. But some of the more obvious features are easy to eliminate. Such as the four-lane highways, the 'bypass' and other more modern features, generally not found in most of Europe, Germany not withstanding of course.

But be that as it may, this is one the best small scale map sources that I have found yet. But I'm always looking for more! By the way if you have gone to the sight or downloaded the maps, have you seen any explanation of the height differential for the topography? Just what sort of change in elevation per 'line' are we talking about?

Dennis 

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 2:33:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		dgk some guys like Huib actually go and walk the old battlefields and research until there's nothing left to research, and of course theres nothing wrong with that kind of scenario. I've played a good number of Huibs scenarios and they are great. But if you like making game maps and scenarios those maps work great.  

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 5:37:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't have a problem with you guys pointing out my mistakes. I look at it as keeping me from making a worse error later, because I was not corrected now.

Off subject, slightly! Speaking of errors, thank you for your feedback 'Dumnorix', I'll be taking everyones input into consideration when working with these maps. By the way, did you just make an 'error'?

"The urban and forest situation and the infrastructur are very different in the last 60 years." Seams very 'english' language oriented to me, the typo not withstanding! See what I mean guys?

Dennis

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 8:32:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damn that was a good clear post D.......So you've been pulling our lariats about your bad english......Your still a pud

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 9:43:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then makes times your amateur scenarios with modern maps. I prefer geographically and historically correct work.

Dann macht mal eure Amateurszenarien mit modernen Karten. Ich jedenfalls bevorzuge geographisch und historisch korrekte Arbeit.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/2/2008 10:14:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for the map website, I'll check it out.

Regards,

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 9:28:32 AM   
dgk196

 

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 3:51:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The problem with 1920's or 1930's maps often is that they're also based on older geographic research often dating as far back as the 1890's only with some additions made later. So these aren't perfect either. So it is questionable which map would be the closest representation to the actual situation of the 1940's: the 1930's map or the 1970's.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 7:50:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Take this for real mapmaking - all others is not historical (like kindergarden)
example: (The german Wehrmacht use this maps in russia 1941)
ftp://mapy.ziomal.org/mapy/mapy_wieloarkuszowe/wig100.mapa_taktyczna_polski/P39_S31_Modlin.jpg
maplinks:
http://maps.vlasenko.net/historical/mapa-taktyczna-polski/
ftp://mapy.ziomal.org/mapy/mapy_wieloarkuszowe/wig100.mapa_taktyczna_polski/WIG_MAREK/
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

H.Balck

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 8:02:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great sites, thank you very much for the tip!


Dennis


Unrelated subject, for those who like the 'what could have been' check this out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH-pSBsinAk&feature=related


Also, just an observation....

"Then makes times your amateur scenarios with modern maps." ('German') "I prefer geographically and historically correct work." (English)

Basically grammar errors, but no serious typo's! Amazing!

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 8:16:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		The youtube link at the bottom of Dumnorix's post is a nearly 6-minute Soviet Army Tribute.  It's worth a look too.  Thank you, Dumnorix.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 9:13:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a small scanned fraction of my private collection for those who have not already seen it. It's all western front though.

http://www.esnips.com/web/wwiimaps


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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! - 4/3/2008 10:01:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		If You need Polish maps from 30ties - try here:
http://www.mapywig.org/news.php

These are the scans of maps from Military Geographic Institute of Poland which were used by Polish soldiers in 1939 Campaign. You can use them for East Front 1944/45 scenarios also.
this project collection is constantly growing so if there is no map You need for Your scenario - try in a couple of days/weeks.
And please download only the maps You really need - owners pay big costs for the serwer transfer.
Maps are completely FREE - of course.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! Russian topo maps - 4/3/2008 11:06:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		From AMVAS site Russian topo maps:


http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/maps/maps_topographic.htm

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! Russian topo maps - 4/5/2008 5:07:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dennis  I was looking at google earth and the 1980's map of the area south of Kharkov. and a large swath of forest that's on the map has been cleared and a large swamp/marsh has been filled in. Urban sprawl is everywhere

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! Russian topo maps - 4/5/2008 10:51:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a bether place, to show the polish maps:
http://igrek.amzp.pl/mapindex.php?cat=WIG100
All map-quadrants from column 30 are inculed in my global multiplayer-scenario "Barbarossa Armygroup Center" (release 22nd june 2008)
Take a look in working prozess...and download my mod JTCS meets PG3D WWII !

http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/P32_S37_SEJNY_300dpi.jpg

http://www.mapywig.org/m/WIG100_300DPI/P36_S42_BARANOWICZE_300dpi.jpg

H.Balck

PS: Do you like, to poduce maps in our JTCS meets PG3D projekt ? We need help ! Send me a mail and you can join our team.

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! Russian topo maps - 4/5/2008 8:33:17 PM   
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Dennis  I was looking at google earth and the 1980's map of the area south of Kharkov. and a large swath of forest that's on the map has been cleared and a large swamp/marsh has been filled in. Urban sprawl is everywhere



I think that is really strange. With all the open area's in Russia and the considering how long it takes to grow a forest you would think that the last thing they would do is 'clear land'. Anyway, for now, I'll just use the maps that I have to make game maps and hope for the best. If someone finds some error, I can always change the original.

Thanks for the tip 'Dumnorix'. I don't think its really practical for me to actually become a member of a group, but you and anyone else are free to use anything I come up with.

Dennis

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RE: MAPS!!!!! MAPS!!! Russian topo maps - 4/13/2008 8:22:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		here are a good german side with german maps:
http://www.posselt-landkarten.de/index_ostgebiete.htm

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