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- 4/1/2002 9:00:27 AM   
Joel Billings


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Status: offline 		You can watch the combat take place in which case you are told the size of each weapon with each hit. As for the combat summary/report, that's a patch or WitP issue as it would take some work. We are trying to go gold this week.

As for the 11 damaged planes when only 9 attack, this is a result of the fog of war being on, which distorts information on how many planes were damaged destroyed and may report higher totals than the number attacking. With fog of war off you get exact, accurate numbers.

Joel

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Types of Hits... - 4/1/2002 11:43:42 AM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Status: offline 		As Joel pointed out, there's no lack of information in the game as to what kind of weapon hit each ship. However, the post-animation combat result text simply lists the number of hits, heavy damage (if present) and fire (if present). Until UV is actually shipping (in which case we could post a full replay), you'll have to infer from the reports of the engaged forces what kinds of hits are involved.

Be assured that I'm not wondering while playing what the Kirishima got hit with. I saw that 16" salvo from the Washington go through the deck armor in all its painful glory. :eek:

Regards,

- Erik

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- 4/1/2002 12:41:54 PM   
juliet7bravo

 

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Status: offline 		Every thing has a price...the IJN lost at least 6 cruisers due to their oxy powered torpedoes exploding on deck due to fires. Hard to tell with others whether it was a contributing factor to their loss. Kind of a trade off really...they had great torpedoes right up until they started getting hostile fire aboard...then things seem to have gotten FUBAR very quickly with all those oxy powered torp mounts and reloads laying around. They really probably would have been better off sticking to a more conventional (and safer) wet-heater/air powered type. Due to their excellence in design and exhaustive live fire testing they still would have had outstanding torpedoes.

Wonder if the IJN ships greater propensity to take serious damage due to onboard fires, and the USN's better skill at damage control is factored into the game?

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- 4/1/2002 1:54:47 PM   
Joel Billings


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Status: offline 		No and yes. Since we have a preference option that allows for better US damage control, this makes the US ships a lot tougher than their IJN couterparts.

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IRVING - 4/1/2002 6:14:54 PM   
corbulo

 

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Status: offline 		I have looked everywhere and can find no information on the Japanese fighter "IRVING" someone please enlighten me.

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Irving - 4/1/2002 8:58:49 PM   
Jason629

 

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Status: offline 		Here you go!

http://www.combinedfleet.com/ijna/j1n.htm

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- 4/1/2002 11:49:55 PM   
Dunedain

 

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Status: offline 		Joel: Does UV model the extreme unreliability of the Mark 14?
This is important because it would mean in many cases when a U.S. sub
in UV managed to get a hit on a ship, the torpedo simply wouldn't
explode. This could make a big difference in a campaign in UV and was
a major problem with U.S. subs for a long time.

Also, in surface combat does the UV combat model take into
account the range the various shell types are being fired at and
whether the shells are hitting the belt or deck armor of their intended
target? This is important because some ships had heavier armor
in different places and, depending on the range it was fired at,
different shell sizes and types would sometimes hit the side
of the ship and sometimes the deck armor. A ship often had to
get into a certain range envelope to be able to penetrate the
armor of a certain type of enemy ship. This, of course, has a
big affect on surface naval combat and how a battle would play out.

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- 4/2/2002 12:26:11 AM   
Joel Billings


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Status: offline 		Yes and Yes.

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UV leagues - 4/2/2002 6:27:34 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Greetings, I can't wait for this game. Anyone want to set up a Matrix League once it comes out? IS it possible in a PBEM game to have more then one player per side? (first player makes in put and saves game without ending turn and then sends to next same side player who gives his orders ends turn and sends to first opposing player etc?)

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- 4/3/2002 1:10:02 AM   
byron13


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Status: offline 		I've seen a lot of the AAR's posted (AAR's provided by the game) but haven't taken the time look at them in detail. Are you playtesters finding that the Japanese Long Lances are making hash of the American fleets? Or at least that the Long Lances are having much higher success rates than the U.S. torpedoes? How are they influencing the battle itself and the tactics used? How 'bout it Allied Admirals? Are you all nervous about engaging the IJN at night in close quarters?

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- 4/3/2002 1:41:36 AM   
David Heath


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Status: offline 		We are making arangements for one of the games sites to run some leagues or ladders for us. We should have more information on this shortly.

David

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IRVING REDUX - 4/3/2002 1:54:50 AM   
corbulo

 

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Status: offline 		I am reading Fighting Aircraft of WW2. Its says the IRVING (Nakajima J1N1) did not start flying sorties over solomons until Spring 1943. I am not sure how reliable this book is. I am assuming the -R is the long range reconnaisance plane

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CDR J. Sutherland - 4/3/2002 2:02:25 AM   
corbulo

 

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Status: offline 		Just looking through the AAR and saw this:
CDR J. Sutherland of VF-8 scores kill number 3

This is the same guy Saburo Sakai shot down on August 8, 1942 over Guadalcanal. He was badly wounded when Sakai saw him bail out and land on the Island. I read this in Franks "guadalcanal". He survived.

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2 Books I will shorly buy - 4/3/2002 2:03:32 AM   
corbulo

 

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Status: offline 		After reading these AArs, I will buy 2 books I have seen lately:
Japanese Navy Aces of WW2
Japanese Army Aces of WW2

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wheres my fix? - 4/5/2002 4:42:35 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		OK its been more then 2 days since my last AAR fix. I'm dying what happened. Is the battle over? what was the final score and ship sunk list? where is Snigbert?
Don't make me come looking for you guys!!!! :eek:

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- 4/5/2002 7:38:15 AM   
Joel Billings


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Status: offline 		We got to one turn from the end before we now need to move on to a new game as we are getting some new data files that need testing. The last few days saw very little activity other than Japanese fighter sweeps over Henderson Field. At first the losses were fairly equal (50-60 fighters per side with losses around 10 each), but then things turned bad for the Japanese as the long flights from Rabaul wore out the pilots. The last sweep had something like 15 Japanese going down for only about 5 Allied planes. I ran the game the final turn so you could get a point total. It scored a Decisive Allied Victory with 2948 to 2358 points (25% more points is a decisive, 5% more is a marginal). If my math is right, this is right on the border of a marginal and decisive, so it could have turned out either way had we actually played the last turn).

Joel

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AAR - 4/5/2002 8:24:59 AM   
Jason629

 

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Status: offline 		Alright...lets move on to the next game then....as Mogami said....we need our fix out here....its gettin bad man!!!!!!!!!! We need some good AAR to live vicariously through.

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A6M3 Zero - 4/5/2002 8:31:56 PM   
corbulo

 

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Status: offline 		I see in this AAR that A6M3 Zeros are attacking Lunga. I am reading "Fire in the Sky" and he says A6M3 zeros from Rabaul did not have the range to make Guadalcanal in August 1942. Maybe in this AAR they are coming from a base contructed by October.

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- 4/5/2002 10:13:45 PM   
mdiehl

 

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Status: offline 		The A6M2/M3 had sufficient range. The A6M5 with the installation of armor around the pilot's seat and self-sealing gas tanks (IIRC), did not. One problem for the Japanese, however, was that the range was so great that an A6M2/M3 with wing tank damage was unlikely to make it back to Rabaul owing to fuel loss. The subsequent campaigns for New Georgia were all about taking out the Japanes eairfields that they belatedly started in late 1942. There's a real good book on this: Munda Trail by, IIRC, Eric Hammel.

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Re: CDR J. Sutherland - 4/5/2002 10:20:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by corbulo
[B]Just looking through the AAR and saw this:
CDR J. Sutherland of VF-8 scores kill number 3

This is the same guy Saburo Sakai shot down on August 8, 1942 over Guadalcanal. He was badly wounded when Sakai saw him bail out and land on the Island. I read this in Franks "guadalcanal". He survived. [/B][/QUOTE]

There seems to be quite a good list of actual pilots that flew. Joel, Is it possible to edit / add to this pilot (or any other person) list? :cool:

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- 4/6/2002 5:30:37 AM   
Joel Billings


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Status: offline 		I think the M3's are coming from Shortlands/Buin. In the game I don't think they can fly from Rabaul. I always base them in Shortlands/Buin and target Lunga so they can join in with the Rabaul raids when needed (or have them fly LR-CAP over Lunga so they can engage enemy transports flying into Henderson Field).
As for the pilots, yes, I'm pretty sure that user created scenarios allow players to add pilots to the database and they can be attached to specific units.

Joel

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Game results - 4/6/2002 12:17:07 PM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, anyone keeping track of who has been winning (anyone complete a long historical game yet? 2 player/AI Win Loss results

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- 4/6/2002 4:17:33 PM   
Ron Saueracker


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Status: offline 		Why? Looking for some cannon fodder, Mogami?:)

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Cannon Fodder - 4/7/2002 9:36:00 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hello Ron, No I don't like cannon fodder. Suppose in a chess you spend countless hours trying to come up with a TN (theoretical novelty-a move not seen before in tournament play in a specific opening series of moves) But the first time you use it your opponent without blinking responses with a move that refutes it outright. Is this not better then in the game you, knowing the move to be easy to refute still make it and your opponent after running most of his time off his clocks makes the only move on the board that fails? In one case your honest effort results in your learning something in the other while you may gain the win it is only by your opponents failure. I would rather lose to talent then defeat incompetence.

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- 4/7/2002 10:16:00 AM   
Ron Saueracker


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Status: offline 		I was only poking fun, seeing as everyone (ME TOO!) seems a bit awestruck by your posts of late. Question for you...can you direct me to a decent order of battle source online for this time period and theatre? Most of my literature is still in storage as I've only lived at my new home for a few months.:)

Thanks, Ron.

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OOB's - 4/7/2002 10:20:03 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		If you can keep your head
when all about you men are losing theirs
and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
but make allowances for their doubting, too.
If you can wait but not be tired of waiting,
or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
and yet don't look too good nor talk too wise,
If you can dream but not make dreams your master,
if you can think and not make thoughts your aim,
If you can meet with triumph and disaster,
and treat those two imposters just the same,
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
and stoop and build them up with worn-out tools,
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
and risk it on one turn of pitch and toss,
and lose and start again at your beginnings
and never breathe a word about your loss
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
to serve your turn long after they are gone,
and to hold on when there is nothing in you
but the will that says to them "hold on,"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
or walk with kings nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
if all men count with you but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
with 60 seconds worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
and which is more, you'll be a man, my son.


http://www.freeport-tech.com/WWII/index.htm

What I have been using for Japan

ORDER OF BATTLE: AUGUST 7 - NOVEMBER 27 1942
Unit Class Names of Ships Arrivral
SECOND FLEET: Vice Admiral Nobutake Kondo
Crudiv 4 Takao Atago, Maya, Takao 21 August
Crudiv 5 Myoko Myoko, Haguro, Nachi 21 August
Batdiv 1 Nagato Nagato, Mutsu 21 August
Cardiv 11 - Chitose, Kamikawa Maru 18 September
Batdiv 11 Kongo Hiei, Kirishima 21 August
Destroyer Squadron 4

Desdiv 2 Shiratsuyu Yudachi, Murasame, Harusame, Samidare 21 August
Desdiv 8 Asashio Arashio, Asashio, Michishio, Ooshio 21 August
Desdiv 9 Asashio Natsugumo, Asagumo, Minegumo, Yamagumo 21 August
- - CL Yura 21 August
Desdiv 6 Akatsuki Akatsuki, Ikazuki, Inadzuma, Hibiki 2 October
THIRD FLEET: Vice Admiral Chuichi Nagumo
Cardiv 1 Shokaku Shokaku, Zuikaku, Zuiho 21 August
Cardiv 2 Hiyo Hiyo, Junyo 9 October
- Ryujo 21 Auqust
Batdiv 3 Kongo Haruna, Kongo 9 October
Crudiv 7 Mogami Suzuya, Kumano 21 August
Crudiv 8 Tone Chikuma, Tone 21 August
Destroyer Squadron 10

Desdiv 4 Kagero Arashi, Hagikaze, Nowake, Urakaze 21 August
Desdiv 10 Yugumo Akigumo, Kazegumo, Makigumo, Yugumo 21 August
Desdiv 17 Kagero Hamakaze, Isokaze, Maikaze, Tanikaze 14 August
- - CL Nagara 21 August
SIXTH FLEET: Vice Admiral Teruhisa Komatsu
Subron 4 I-153, I-154, I-155, I-156, I-157, I-158, RO-33, RO-34 7 August
Subron 6 I-121,I-122,I-123 7 August
Subron 1 I-15, I-16, I-17, I-18, I-19,I-20,I-21,I-22, I-24,I-25,I-26 14 August
Subron 3 I-8, I-168, I-169, I-171, I-172, I-174, I-175 18 September
Subron 2 I-1,I-2,I-3,I-4,I-5,I-6,I-7 2 October
EIGHTH FLEET: Vice Admiral Gunichi Mikawa
- - CA Chokai Kavieng
Crudiv 6 Furutaka Aoba, Furutaka, Kako, Kinugasa Kavieng
Crudiv 18 Tenryu Tenryu,Tatsuta Rabaul
Destroyer Squadron 6

Desdiv 29 Kamikaze Asanagi, Oite, Yunagi, Kamikaze Rabaul
Desdiv 30 Mutsuki Mochitzaki, Uzuki, Yuzaki, Mutsuki, Yayoi Rabaul
- - CL Yubori Rabaul
Destroyer Squadron 2

Desdiv 15 Kagero Hayashio, Kuroshio, Oyashio 21 August
Desdiv 16 Kagero Hatsukaze, Amatsukaze, Yukikaze, Tokitsukaze 21 August
Desdiv 18 Kagero Shiranuhi, Kagero, Kasumi 4 September
- - CL Jintsu 14 August
Destroyer Squadron 3

Desdiv 11 Fubuki Fubuki, Murakumo, Hatsayuki, Shirayuki 28 August
Desdiv 19 Fubuki Isonami, Shikinami, Uranami, Ayanami 21 August
Desdiv 20 Fubuki Amagiri, Shirakumo, Yugiri, Asagiri 28 August
- - CL Sendai 4 September
Desdiv 24 Shiratsuyu Umikaze, Kawakaze, Suzukaze 14 August
Desdiv 27 Shiratsuyu Shigure, Shiratsuyu, Ariake, Yuguri 16 October
Desdiv 31 Yugumo Naganami, Makinami, Takanami 9 October
- - CL Isuzu 9 October
Transports* - Rabaul: APs Nankai Maru, Myoko Maru, Yamafuka Maru, Yusukawa Maru, Kinai Maru, Kinryu Maru, Meiyo Maru
Rabaul: Flying Boat Tender Akitsushima

Rabaul: Seaplane Tenders Kiyokawa Maru, Soya, Nisshin

14 August: APs Boston Maru, Fuku Maru

14 August: Patrol Boats Nos. 1, 2, 34, 35

21 August: APs Asakayama Maru, Sado Maru

4 September: APs Hirokawa Maru, Lisbon Maru, Teison Maru

25 September: APs Azumasan Maru, Kyushu Maru, Naminoue Maru, Sasako Maru, Brazil Maru

2 October: APs Arizona Maru, Napra Maru, Brisbane Maru, Nako Maru, Canberra Maru, Kinugawa Maru, Shinanogwa Maru, Yamaouki Maru, Yamaura Maru

*: A NOTE ON TRANSPORTS: Little is known about the transports participating in this campaign. Dates of loss are not available at present; seven of the sixteen transports listed as sunk were sunk on November 14. Those ships listed below are transports which were in the Eighth Fleet, but were involved in supply operations for forces in New Guinea.
Names of Ships and Arrival:

Kinsi Maru, Anukenyo Maru: 7 August
Warkanora Maru, Ryoyo Maru, Kenyo Maru: 14 August
Matsui Maru, Tamaboko Maru: 21 August
Patrol Boats Nos. 36, 38, 39: 21 August


SPECIAL NAVAL LANDING FORCES
The SN LF were organized by the navy from naval personell. Several were organized at each of the four Japanese Navy Shipyards (Kure, Maizuru, Sasebo, and Yokosuka). About 10 of these units had been organized by the beginning of the war in December, 1941, and an equal number were organized in 1942. There were no standard establishment figures for the SNLF. As the situation required, more men might be added to one unit, or a unit might be split into two or more independent parts.

Generally speaking, the SNLF consisted of 500 to 1000 men each, with varying numbers of machine guns, mortars, and howitzers. The 3rd and 5th Kure, 5th Sasebo and 5th Yokosuka sent 2404 men to Papua, of which 1086 were casualties. These units also sent less than 500 men to Guadalcanal.

Along with the 11th-16th Naval Construction Units and the 80th -- 85th Naval Garrison Units, the SNLF were often part of Naval Base Forces in the Solomons, which had been established at Guadalcanal--Tulagi, Shortland, Rabaul, and Kavieng.

Location
8/7/42 Designation Destination Date of Movement Notes
Rabaul Third Kure SNLF Papua Aug/42 -
Kavieng Fifth Kure SNLF Papua Aug/42 -
Kure Sixth Kure SNLF New Georgia Mar/43 Arrived Rabaul Jan/43
Kavieng Second Maizuru SNLF Guadalcanal Nov/42 -
Rabaul Fifth Sasebo SNLF Papua Aug/42 A detachment lost enroute Guadalcanal
Rabaul Sixth Sasabo SNLF Guadalcanal Nov/42 -
Truk Fifth Yokosuka SNLF Papua Aug/42 A detachment to Guadalcanal
Yokosuka Seventh Yokosuka SNLF New Georgia Mar/43 Arrived Rabaul Jan/43


SHIPS SUNK BEFORE AUGUST 7 1942
Aircraft Carrier

7 May 1942: Shoho
4 June 1942: Soryu
4 June 1942: Kaga
5 June 1942: Akagi
5 June 1942: Hiryu
Submarine

10 December 1941: I-70
17 December 1941: RO-66
29 December 1941: RO-60
17 January 1942: I-60
20 January 1942: I-124
27 January 1942: I-73
26 February 1942: I-23
26 March 1942: RO-30
17 May 1942: I-64
10 June 1942: R042
Destroyer

11 December 1941: Hayate
11 December 1941: Kisaragi
18 December 1941: Shinonome
24 December 1941: Sagiri
8 February 1942: Natsushio
4 May 1942: Kikutsuki
25 June 1942: Yamakaze
4 July 1942: Nenohi
5 July 1942: Arare
Cruiser

June 1942: Mikuma
SHIPS SUNK BETWEEN AUGUST 7 AND NOVEMBER 27, 1942
Aircraft Carrier:

24 August 1942: Ryujo
Battleships:

13 November 1942: Hiei
15 November 1942: Kirishima
Submarine:

28 August 1942 I-123
29 August 1942: RO 33
31 August 1942: RO-61*
28 September 1942: RO-65*
12 October 1942: I-22
13 October 1942: I-30*
2 November 1942: I-15
10 November 1942: I-172
Destroyer

25 August 1942: Mutsuki
28 August 1942: Asagiri
11 September 1942: Yayoi
11 October 1942: Fubuki
12 October 1942: Murakumo
12 October 1942: Natsugumo
6 October 1942: Oboro*
13 November 1942: Yudachi
13 November 1942: Akatsuki
15 November 1942: Ayanami
24 November 1942: Hayashio
Cruisers:

10 August 1942: Kako
11 October 1942: Furutaka
25 October 1942: Yura
14 November 1942: Kinugasa
* Indicates ship sunk in operations not related to Guadalcanal campaign.

25th Air Flotilla 5th Air Attack Force
RAdm. Sadayoshi Yamada
Tainan Air Group Zeroes
2nd Air Group Zeroes, Vals
4th Air Group Bettys
Yokohama Air Group Mavises
14th Air Group detached Emilys
26th Air Flotilla 6th Air Attack Force VAdm. Seizo Yamagata
6th Air Group detached Zeroes
Misawa Air Group Bettys
Kisarazu Air Group Bettys
approximate strength 24 August: 51 Zeroes, 41 Bettys, 9 Vals, 2 Irvings, 8 Mavises, 3 Emilys: 114 total

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U.S. FORCES
TASK FORCE 61
VADM FRANK JACK FLETCHER

Task Force 11
VAdm Frank Jack Fletcher
Saratoga (FF) Capt DeWitt C. Ramsey
Air Group 3 Cdr Harry D. Felt
VF-5 LCdr Leroy C. Simpler 27 F4F-4
VB-3 LCdr DeWitt C. Shumway 17 SBD-3 (15 operational)
VS-3 LCdr Louis J. Kirn 15 SBD-3
VT-8 Lt Harold H. Larsen 13 TBF-1
Plus one additional Dauntless and one photo recon F4F-7
TF 11 Screen
RAdm Carleton H. Wright
Minneapolis (F) Capt Frank J. Lowry
New Orleans Capt Walter S. DeLaney
Destroyer Squadron 1
Capt Samuel B. Brewer
Phelps LCdr Edward L. Beck
Destroyer Division 2
Cdr Francis X. McInerney
Farragut Cdr George P. Hunter
Worden LCdr William G. Pogue
MacDonough LCdr Eric V. Dennet
Dale LCdr Anthony L. Rorschach

Task Force 16
RAdm Thomas C. Kinkaid
Enterprise F Capt Arthur C. Davis
Air Group 6 LCdr Maxwell F. Leslie
VF-6 Lt Louis H. Bauer 28 F4F-4 (27 operational)
VB-6 Lt Ray Davis 17 SBD-3
VS-5 Lt Turner F. Caldwell 18 SBD-3 (16 operational)
VT-3 LCdr Charles M. Jett 15 TBF-1 (14 operational)
Plus one additional Avenger and one F4F-7
TF 16 Screen
RAdm Mahlon S. Tisdale
North Carolina Capt George H. Fort
Portland (F) Capt Laurance T. DuBose
Atlanta Capt Samuel P. Jenkins
Destroyer Squadron 6
Capt Edward P. Sauer
Balch LCdr Harold H. Tiemroth
Maur LCdr Gelzer E. Sims
Ellett LCdr Francis H. Gardner
Benham LCdr Joseph M. Worthington
Destroyer Division 22
Cdr Harold R. Holcomb
Grayson LCdr Frederick J. Bell
Monssen Cdr Roland N. Smoot

Task Force 18
RAdm Leigh Noyes
Wasp (F) Capt Forrest P. Sherman
Air Group 7 LCdr Wallace M. Beakley
VF-71 LCdr Courtney M. Shands 25 F4F-4
VS-71 LCdr John Eldridge, Jr. 13 SBD-3
VS-72 LCdr Ernest M. Snowden 13 SBD-3
VT-7 Lt Harry A. Romberg 9 TBF-1
Plus one TBF from VT-8, one additional Dauntless and one J2F
TF 18 Screen
RAdm Norman Scott
San Francisco (F) Capt Charles H. McMorris
San Juan Capt James E. Maher
Salt Lake City Capt Ernest G. Small
Destroyer Squadron 12
Capt Robert G. Tobin
Farenholt LCdr Eugene T. Seaward
Aaron Ward LCdr Orville F. Gregor
Buchanan Cdr Ralph E. Wilson
Destroyer Division 14
Capt William W. Warlick
Lang LCdr John Wilfong
Stack LCdr Alvord J. Greenacre
Sterett Cdr Jesse G. Coward
Destroyer Squadron 4
Capt Cornelius W. Flynn
Selfridge Cdr Carroll D. Reynolds

LAND-BASED AIRCRAFT
Task Force 63
RAdm John S. McCain
Marine Air Group 23 at Guadalcanal
Col William J. Wallace, USMC
VMF-223 Capt John L. Smith, USMC 13 F4f-4
VMSB-232 Maj Richard C. Mangrum, USMC 11 SBD-3

11th Heavy Bombardment Group at Espiritu Santo
Col La Verne Saunders, USA 25 B-17E/F
Also at Espiritu Santo were elements of VP-11, VP-14, VP-23, and VP-72.
VP-11: 16 PBY-5A
VP-14: 2 PBY-5A
VP-23: 12 PBY-5A
VP-72: 3 PBY-5

67th Pursuit Squadron at Guadalcanal
Capt Dale D. Brannon, USA 5 P-40D


Without anything else to go on (before all the great AAR's) I have concentrated mainly on plans dealing with the Historical Campaign after the US landings.


this list has CO's and air craft numbers/leaders
JAPANESE FORCES

COMBINED FLEET
Adm Isoroku Yamamoto

Support Force Main Body (anchored in Truk Lagoon)
Yamato (F)
Taiyo

DesDiv7
Capt. Kaname Konishi
Akebono LtCdr Minoru Nakagawa
Ushio Cdr. Yoshitake Uesugi

Advance Force, 2nd Fleet
VAdm Nobutake Kondo

CruDiv4
VAdm Kondo
Atago Capt. Matsuji Ijuin
Maya Capt. Shunsaku Nabeshima
Takao Capt. Bunji Asakura

CruDiv5
Adm. Takagi
Myoko Capt. Teruhiko Miyoshi
Haguro Capt. Tomoichi Mori

DesRon4
RAdm Tomatsu Takama
Yura Capt. Shiro Sato

DesDiv15
Capt. Torajiro Sato
Kuroshio Cdr. Tamaki Ugaki
Oyashio Cdr. Tokikichi Arima
Hayashio Cdr. Kiyoshi Kaneda

DesDiv9
Capt. Yasuo Sato
Minegumo Cdr. Yasuatsu Suzuki
Natsugumo Cdr. Moritaro Tsukamoto
Asagumo

detached from CarDiv11
Chitose Capt. Seigo Sasaki
7 Jakes, 15 Petes

Standby Force attached to 2nd Fleet, but not at sea
Junyo Capt. Shizue Ishii
Mutsu Capt. Teijiro Yamazumi

DesDiv2
Capt. Masao Tachibana
Harusame Cdr. Masao Kamiyama
Samidare Cdr. Takisaburo Matsubara
Murasame Cdr. Naoji Suenaga


3rd Fleet, Carrier Striking Force
VAdm Chuichi Nagumo

CarDiv1
VAdm Nagumo

Shokaku Capt. Masafumi Arima
Strike Group Commander LtCdr. Mamoru Seki
27 A6M2 (26 operational) Lt. Hideki Shingo
27 D3A1 LtCdr Seki
18 B5N2 LtCdr. Shigeharu Murata

Zuikaku Capt. Tameteru Notomo
Strike Group Commander Lt. Sadamu Takahashi
27 A6M2 (25 operational) Lt. Ayao Shirane
27 D3A1 Lt Takahashi
18 B5N2 Lt. Jiichiro Imajuku

Destroyers drawn from DesRon10
DesDiv10
Capt. Toshio Abe

Kazagumo Cdr. Masayoshi Yoshida
Yugumo Cdr. Shigeo Semba
Makigumo Cdr. Isamu Fujita
Akigumo Cdr. Shohei Soma
detached from DesDiv16
Hatsukaze Cdr. Kameshiro Takahashi
Unattached
Akizuki


Vanguard Force
RAdm Hiroaki Abe

BatDiv11
RAdm Abe
Hiei Capt. Masao Nishida
Kirishima Capt. Sanji Iwabuchi

CruDiv7
RAdm. Shoji Nishimura
Kumano Capt. Kikumatsu Tanaka
Suzuya Capt. Masatomi Kimura

detached from CruDiv8
Chikuma Capt. Keizo Komura

DesRon11
RAdm. Satsuma Kimura
Nagara Capt. Toshio Naoi

DesDiv4
Capt. Kosaku Ariga
Nowaki Cdr. Magotaro Koga
Maikaze Cdr. Seiji Nakasugi

detached from DesDiv17
Tanikaze Cdr. Motoi Katsumi


Mobile Force
RAdm Chuichi Hara

Ryujo Capt. Tadao Kato
Strike Group Commander Lt. Kenjiro Notomi
24 A6M2 (23 operational) Lt Notomi
6 B5N2 Lt. Binichi Murakami

CruDiv8
RAdm Hara
Tone Capt. Yuji Anibe

DesDiv16
Capt. Kiichiro Sato
Amatsukaze Cdr. Tameichi Hara
Tokitsukaze Cdr. Giichiro Nakahara


8th Fleet, Outer South Seas Force
VAdm Gunichi Mikawa

DesRon2
RAdm Raizo Tanaka
Jintsu Capt. Torazo Kozai

DesDiv24
Capt. Yasuji Hirai
Suzukaze Cdr. Kazuo Shibayama
Kawakaze Cdr. Kazuo Wakabayashi
Umikaze Cdr. Nagahide Sugitani

From DesDiv15
Kagero Cdr. Minoru Yokoi

From DesDiv17
Isokaze Cdr. Shunichi Toshima

DesDiv30
Capt. Shiro Yasutake
Mutsuki Cdr. Hatano
Yayoi
Uzuki

Transport Force with 1500 troops
Kinryu Maru
Boston Maru
Daifuku Maru
Patrol Boat No.1
Patrol Boat No.2
Patrol Boat No.34
Patrol Boat No.35

Covering Force
Adm Mikawa
Chokai Capt. Mikio Kayakama

CruDiv6
RAdm. Aritomo Goto
Kinugasa Capt. Masao Sawa
Aoba Capt. Yonejiro Hisamune
Furutaka Capt. Araki Tsutau


6th Fleet
VAdm. Teruhisa Komatsu

At Truk: Submarines at sea in Solomons area
SubRon1
RAdm. Shigeaki Yamazaki

I-9 (F) Cdr. Akiyoshi Fujii

SubDiv2
Capt. Hiroshi Imazato
I-15 Cdr. Nobuo Ishikawa
I-17 Cdr. Kozo Nishino
I-19 Cdr. Takaichi Kinashi

SubDiv4
I-26 Cdr. Minoru Yokota

SubDiv15
I-31
I-33

SubRon7
RAdm. Setsuzo Yoshitomi, in tender Jingei, at Rabaul

SubDiv13
Capt. Takeharu Miyazaki
I-121 LtCdr. Yasuo Fujimori
I-122 LtCdr. Sadatoshi Norita
I-123 LtCdr. Makota Nakai

SubDiv21
Cdr. Tsutau Fujimoto
RO-34 LtCdr. Masahiko Morinaga

SubRon3
Capt. Hanmazu Sasaki
I-11 Cdr. Tsuneo Shichiji

SubDiv11
I-174
I-175


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- 4/7/2002 10:57:16 AM   
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Posts: 894
Joined: 5/30/2001
Status: offline 		A few other excellent links...

http://pacific.hyperlink.cz/index.htm

http://www.warships1.com/index_ships.htm

http://member.nifty.ne.jp/takixxx/

http://www.combinedfleet.com/kaigun.htm

http://www.hazegray.org/

http://www.hazegray.org/navhist/

http://www.j-aircraft.com/

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- 4/7/2002 10:58:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks big guy. You type faster than I drink beer, Mogami!:D

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old GG games - 4/7/2002 11:10:27 AM   
mogami


Posts: 12789
Joined: 8/23/2000
From: You can't get here from there
Status: offline 		I also have all the old OB's from the first Guadalcanal game by GG that I still play from time to time (quite alot recently)on a emulator
These are good for what ship when but the LCU and Air reinforcment are abstracted rather then the detailed units we will be seeing here.

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Gary Grigsby's GC - 4/7/2002 11:22:24 AM   
Ron Saueracker


Posts: 12121
Joined: 1/28/2002
From: Ottawa, Canada OR Zakynthos Island, Greece
Status: offline 		Speaking of the Guadalcanal Campaign (GG old sim) OOB...I remember writing him as a kid at SSI and asking him how come the USS Meade and a number of Porpoise and Gato class boats (blockading Truk) were missing. The reply was something like, "Geez, get a life!" Shades of Shatner at a Trekkie convention.:D

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