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Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 6:46:36 PM

Tim41

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Hi Jason:
One of my greatest complaints against the older versions of the game was the incomplete instruction manual. There is practically nothing on the use of engineers (bridges for example). You had mentioned that HQ units usually include these, which I have never understood how to apply (just not as good as you guys at the game). As I like the Campaign play, I don't remember needing one but I'd like to design some scenarios in the future.
Engineers can clear mines-but I was never sure: can they lay a mine field? It would be handy.
I think you described in detail how to load the bridge/pontoon units in one email-thank you.
Could Engineers not expand communications and supply by being placed between the Command unit (forward with the combat units) and rear line of supply. Perhaps that was always there. I don't play Commmand Control, but in quick advances many units get cut off from supply easily in the campaign games.
On minefields-if a unit discovers a minefield, would they not mark it for follow up units? Sometimes as the units move forward, the minefield is then hidden for reinforcement units following out of view. It should be a command with action costs, but makes sense tactically that a unit could be next to the hex and mark it as a minefield.
Also-spotting with just empty horses, bicycles, etc. may make sense in that each would leave holders, guard detachment, etc. Where it does not make sense is those countries with poorer radio equipment like the Soviets, though this is improved later in the war.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 7:27:24 PM

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did you read Jason's info about 1.03 patch ???

yes, manual is updated, it is the reason why we now waiting for patch release, new Jason's Manual revisions by MG

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 7:51:37 PM

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I received two updates on the progress-but neither mentioned the manual. The manual (as I recall) was only one part of many corrections.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 7:56:50 PM

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I see your jab about being in the 27th Penal Battalion.
If the game designer wants a realistic game: GREAT. Then the proper units should be available for the proper tasks.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 8:38:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tim41

I received two updates on the progress-but neither mentioned the manual. The manual (as I recall) was only one part of many corrections.

from Jason's unofficial list for 1.03

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Manuals:

You will find a MANUALS folder as part of the 1.03 UPDATE. Obviously, the primary manual has been updated to be current with the 1.03 UDPATE. While this is not a printed version, you are able to print the sections you require at your leisure. Additionally, due to the hard work and kindness of Jim Mays, there are a couple of Excel tables that provide new PLATOON LISTS for the Germans (East Front) and Russian/Soviets (West Front and East Front). The West Front, East Front and Rising Sun bootcamp documents have been moved to this location as well, for convenience.

You will also find a document on creating and editing Dynamic Campaigns put together by Richard Simonitch. Richard has gone the extra mile in dissecting how the Campaigns are put together which is an excellent effort that should be highly praised.

entire list is here
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1768522

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 8:50:12 PM

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Thank you. Good luck getting out of the 27th Penal Battalion.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/24/2008 9:21:28 PM

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I don't think the reference to the 27th Penal Battalion was a jab. Arkady was confined in the 27th long before any discussion of penal battalions came up. I vaguely remember the days when he was in the 26th Penal Battalion. Then came the big promotion to the 27th. (Attaboy, Arkady! Make us proud!)

I believe there are penal battalions in the current OOBs for Russia, but I'd have to check. I don't believe they are the cannon fodder that trucks are though.

Will the manual be available over as a separate download? My home printer can't compete with the office printer. I guess I could always copy at home and print at the office.

A good manual over the website might be a good marketing tool. When Talonsoft had a website, I was able to download manuals, charts, and other goodies directly from their website. Additionally, printing on 8 1/2 inch by 11 inch paper lent itself to larger and better pictures of the terrain graphics than was possible in the smaller-paged manuals. The current hard-copy Matrix manual is on even smaller pages than the original Talonsoft manuals. Twelve-point print and smaller takes a lot of the fun out of reading. There may be good reasons for not offering the manual off the forum website, and I may simply not be aware of them.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/25/2008 12:01:53 AM

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I didn't really take at as that big a deal. My apologies to Arkady-I don't think I lashed out at him or anything.
I discussed the Penal thing the other day after doing some research. The new update has increased the point values of certain units in order to specifically make using them in the wrong way prohibitive. Cannon fodder is not the proper employment of trucks (my original suggestion was for another player not using his trucks at all-it was a possible use), but Soviet waste of manpower is more than well documented. In some cases-many were assigned to penal units without ever commiting an offense and were dead by the time anybody found out.
As to equipment, they had no problem in creating a bridge by driving T-34's into a river to form a bed for others to drive over (See Raus). If they were willing to waste MBT's in this fashion, one might assume that giving a 'comrad' 200ML (twice the daily ration) of Vodka and sending him 'down the road for more' in his truck might not be out of place.
Since the Penal units are available in the new game, I'll save the Vodka and send them 'over the top' without a second thought. Let's hope their point value is appropriate...or I might as well send a platoon of trucks.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/25/2008 12:21:51 AM

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If a current penal platoon is worth 2 VP per SP, and if a platoon consists of 6 SP, then the platoon might be too valuable to expend on missions designed to locate minefields or to draw opportunity fire. One possible way around that would be to reduce the platoon to 1 to 3 SP when designing a scenario. In that way, you could still use the penal platoon to locate minefields and to draw opportunity fire, but you would not be risking 12 VPs. I think what you may be driving at is a 6 SP penal platoon worth 6 VP total or 1 VP per SP.

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/25/2008 2:44:48 AM

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Excellent idea for scenario design. Thanks very much.
As is it's a risk at 12 VP, but how many turns does a corps action allow usually in the issued campaign games? Not enough not to risk breasking some eggs to bake the cake in the breakthrough or attack mode. You are gonna come under fire somewhere in the attack. In a linked campaign game, you may run into replacements drying up and units understrength from attrition after a string of battles. I'd still be inclined to waste a non-com then a fighting unit at that point. However questionable the morale or actual combat potential of the fighting unit, it can still carry on combat. A truck can only be a truck...
With my noted poor computer skills, I'll try and work on your suggestion (when 1.03 comes out and I can play the game I bought).

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/25/2008 8:57:05 AM

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not all members of penal battalions were punished...you need staff and guards there too

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children."

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RE: Has the manual been updated in 1.03 +? - 4/25/2008 10:09:06 AM

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Wow! My brother found a good one on the bathroom wall in a Berkeley Bart Station...

"To do is to be." Marx
"To be is to do." Lennin
"Sha Dobbie Dobbie Do". Sinatra

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