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ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Corps strengths are not actually intended to be secret from a plain reading of the rules, however all groups I have played with have played that they are secret for some added fog of war effect.

The lack of feedback after battles in EiANW is a major drawback; one cannot review the losses and see the strength of the corps which were involved, things that were integral to EiA.

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7.5.2.6 STEP SIX-REVEAL FORCES/MORALE LEVELS: Both players reveal their forces and determine their final morale levels.

7.5.2.6.1 Determining Morale Levels: Morale levels represent a force's "morale", and the higher the number the better. "Base morale levels" can be calculated by one of two methods. Players should decide before the game begins which method to use for their game. Also see the NATIONAL MORALE VALUES CHART on the Game Card.

7.5.2.6.1.1 Method One: The base morale level is calculated by adding up the products of the number of army factors having the same morale value, and dividing this total by the total number of army factors and rounding up to the next tenth of a point. Guerillas, freikorps and cossacks may be included in combat with a morale value of "1.0" Militia are included with a morale value of "2.0" Artillery are included with the morale of the major power's regular infantry. Guard infantry have a morale value of "5.0" Other infantry and cavalry have their morale values indicated on the back of their corps counters. For example, if a force of 51 total army factors has 21 factors at morale "3.0", 20factors at morale "4.0" and 1 0 factors at morale "5.0" this is: 21 times 3 plus 20 times 4 plus 10 times 5=193 divided by 51 factors=3.784 which rounds to a base morale level of "3.8."

7.5.2.6.1.2 Method Two: Method One for the determination of the base morale level of a force can be involved and almost certainly involves the use of a pocket calculator. Therefore, we offer this simpler (and faster) alternative; first, determine the "primary component" of the force. This will be that major power with the most corps present, including controlled minor free state corps (with equal numbers of corps present, the primary component is that major power with the lowest basic morale). The "basic morale" of this primary component provides the base number for determining the base morale level of the whole force. The basic morales are: Great Britain-"4.5;" France-"4.0;" Russia, Austria and Prussia-"3.5;" Spain and Turkey-"3. 0" (also see the NATIONAL MORALE VALUES CHART on the Game Card). The basic morale is increased by "+ 0.1" for every guard factor and reduced by "0.1" for every militia, cossack, freikorps, guerilla, feudal or minor free state infantry or cavalry factor with a morale value of "2.0" or less (see the backs of the minor country corps counters) in the force, even if not in the primary component. The basic morale may not be increased by more than a net "+0.5" nor decreased by more than a net "1.0". This is the base morale level of the force. For example, Austria has an army composed of 3 Guard, 28 regular infantry and 6 militia. Its basic morale is "3.5" plus "0.3" (3 Guard factors) minus "0.6" (6 militia factors "3.2" base morale level.

7.5.2.6.2 Final Morale Levels: The "final morale level" for each day is the base morale level minus "0.5" for each succeeding day of the combat after the first and any modifiers indicated on the OPERATIONAL POSSIBILITIES CHART on the Game Card. The final morale level is the point at which the force will break. For example, a force with a base morale level of "3.2" will also use that figure for its final morale level on the first day of a combat. On the second day of a combat, the final morale level will be "3.2"minus "0.5" equals "2.7"

7.5.2.6.3 Reveal Forces: Both sides simultaneously reveal corps identities, the exact size and composition of their forces and their final morale levels.

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ORIGINAL: Soapy Frog

Yeah; except... not clear at all. FWIW I have no problem with corps strengths being private and revealed (to all players) only during battles, but it's not explicitly stated anywhere in the rules.

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7.5.2.6.3 Reveal Forces: Both sides simultaneously reveal corps identities, the exact size and composition of their forces and their final morale levels.

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ORIGINAL: Murat

Actually it is only the players involved in the battle that get the above information, nothing in the rules say that ALL players get to see the results, just the 2 sides do.  There is a whole thread here about that rule.

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ORIGINAL: KenClark

As for battle information, there is no real battle information whatsoever in the log other than political point losses (I don't recall if there are even casualty numbers in there). 

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ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

OK??? I'm we must not be talking about the same thing or something because here is a battle summary that is in the log:

1805, Jul Prussia Loses 1 PP(s)
1805, Jul France Gains 1 PP(s)
1805, Jul France Wins Battle Of Dusseldorf
1805, Jul IV corps was eliminated.
1805, Jul I corps was eliminated.
1805, Jul Prussia Breaks, France Wins!
1805, Jul France Casualties
1805, Jul Prussia Casualties , 2 Infantry, 2 Cavalry
1805, Jul R3: France Die 3, Perc 10, Mrl 1.40
1805, Jul R3: Prussia Die 2, Perc 0, Mrl 0.00
1805, Jul France Casualties
1805, Jul Prussia Casualties , 4 Infantry
1805, Jul R2: France Die 4, Perc 10, Mrl 1.40
1805, Jul R2: Prussia Die 3, Perc 5, Mrl 0.20
1805, Jul France Casualties , 1 Infantry
1805, Jul Prussia Casualties , 4 Infantry
1805, Jul R1: France Die 6, Perc 10, Mrl 1.50
1805, Jul R1: Prussia Die 6, Perc 10, Mrl 1.10
1805, Jul Day 1 CHITS Prussia:Assault France:Defend
1805, Jul France, Murat, 2 corps
1805, Jul Prussia, 2 corps
1805, Jul BATTLE:Dusseldorf Attacker:Prussia Defender:France

Parsing it is one thing but does this done have all that you need???

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Forage should only show Corps name and factors lost.
Not forage values etc, since where is the secret in corps placement then ??
So if no forage loss/depot supply corps should not be listed in gamelog.