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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/25/2008 6:03:01 AM   
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What was Joe Kennedy doing when he was killed?


Piloting a B-17 that exploded in mid-air over the English Channel. It was some kind of special volunteer mission (perhaps against sub pens, if memory serves) that involved a significant risk, but he never got his plane to the target.

Well I had to wiki it after that guess. It was a modiifed B-24 and they were trying to bomb a V-3 cannon site in Mimoyecques, France. There was some damage on the ground so they may not have even made it as far as the Channel. Aside from those minor details, my answer was bang-on!

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 4:33:51 AM   
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What was the bizare plan that Louis Mountbatten had for constructing super-carriers?


That sounds like Project Habakkuk. The plan was to construct enormous aircraft carriers out of a mixture of ice and sawdust called Pykrete, with cooling pipes all through them to keep them frozen. Tests were done and, from memory, a small vessel was constructed but the project was abandoned due to the significant technical challenges involved and changing priorities.

Cheers, Neilster


Way to go Nielster a direct hit! Technically, the idea could have worked, but by the time they had worked out the details, the Greenland-Iceland gap in the anti-sub coverage, particularly aircraft coverage had been filled by the long range maritime variants of the B-24, the Martin Mariner, etc. On the political side "Dickie" had been sent out to take command in the Indian theatre, and wasn't available to push the project.

On a related subject, does anyone know why all official British Government documents written after 1940 mentioing Iceland always refer to it as Iceland(c) ?
Mike

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 4:45:28 AM   
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What was Joe Kennedy doing when he was killed?


Piloting a B-17 that exploded in mid-air over the English Channel. It was some kind of special volunteer mission (perhaps against sub pens, if memory serves) that involved a significant risk, but he never got his plane to the target.

Well I had to wiki it after that guess. It was a modiifed B-24 and they were trying to bomb a V-3 cannon site in Mimoyecques, France. There was some damage on the ground so they may not have even made it as far as the Channel. Aside from those minor details, my answer was bang-on!

Great job, Paul He was piloting a B-24 that the air corps had stuffed full with a horrifying amount of explosives, and then installed a rudimentary radio controlled autopilot (hence the connection with the thread about the He 177 and its radio controlled cruise missle.) The idea with Kennedy's project was that they would take off, climb to cruise altitude and bail out over England. The controlling aircraft would then fly the aircraft across the Channel and crash the a/c into the V-3 prototype. Kennedy's aircraft exploded over Kent (there was some opinion that the explosion was caused when Kennedy armed the "bomb".) To give you some idea of the force of the explosion, it not only caused the control a/c to crash at a range of over a mile, but was reported to have caused casualties on the ground despite the fact that Kennedy's plane was flying at greater than 5000 feet when it detonated!
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 4:54:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Does anyone know the neutral power that joined one of the beligerants in accordance with a treaty signed in the Fourteenth Century? Who was the Head of State of the beligerant power, and who was the Head of State that he referred to as having originated the alliance?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 5:46:56 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 6:42:32 PM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 9:57:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Prinz Eugen's ally was the Duke of Marlborough.

i think he was a Savoyard (so almost french &/or Italian) and had a connection to Louis XIV.

the aircraft carrier was ice and straw

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/26/2008 10:00:40 PM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 12:08:30 AM   
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Great -- it was Portugal! Anyone know the originating Head pf State?


A mail from JGN about this Q;

At the Battle of São Mamede, Afonso Henriques, Count of Portugal, defeated his mother, Countess Teresa, and her lover, Fernão Peres de Trava, in battle — thereby establishing himself as sole leader. Afonso Henriques officially declared Portugal's independence when he proclaimed himself King of Portugal on July 25, 1139, after the Battle of Ourique, he was recognized as such in 1143 by Afonso VII, king of León and Castile, and in 1179 by Pope Alexander III.
Afonso Henriques and his successors, aided by military monastic orders, pushed southward to drive out the Moors, as the size of Portugal covered about half of its present area. In 1249, this Reconquista ended with the capture of the Algarve on the southern coast, giving Portugal its present day borders, with minor exceptions.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 4:47:15 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 5:20:59 AM   
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Which two naval vessels - one Italian, one German were named after the same historical character? 


Prince Eugene.

Who was his famous colaberator, who was that colaberator's direct descendant and why was it remarkable that only Axis navys named ships after him?

What was the bizare plan that Louis Mountbatten had for constructing super-carriers?

I guess the word "collaberator" threw me. I had mentioned Marlborough (John Churchill) when I first replied to this question near the start of the thread. Anyway the famous descendant was of course Winston Churchill and perhaps that is the same reason it may be surprising that the axis were the ones naming their ships after him. The Italian connection is from Eugene being the Duke of Savoy and the German one is probably more Austrian than German since along with Marlborough he beat on the Bavarians as well as the French at the Battle of Blenheim, but before that he fought with the Austro-Hungarians and did a number on the Turks circa 1689.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 5:27:28 AM   
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(maybe there is more than one?)

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 5:29:24 AM   
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not sure if this one has been asked before ... which WWII General has a _ship_ named after him?

USS Eisenhower is a CV.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 10:48:01 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 1:15:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The participation of Portugal in WW2 must have been symbolic, most of their army was fighting wars in their colonies at that time (like in Angola). Though Salazar did allow the allies to establish bases in the Azores for the operation Torch. At first Salazar wanted to stay neutral and don't get involved in the conflict (much like Franco in Spain) but the pressure from the allies was heavy. And the portuguese have a long history of alliances with the english (against Napoleon is an example).

My wife is portuguese, his father did fought a war in Angola, an ugly war with a lot of atrocities. He fought alongside US rangers. I don't understand how the U.S. rangers managed to be there. It was something about fighting communists in Angola. Do you know they captured cubans disguised like african people and fighting on the communist side? Kind of crazy. Angola is no longer a portuguese colony now.


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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/27/2008 9:27:06 PM   
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(Q): Name the two United States Navy coal burning freshwater paddle-wheel aircraft carriers that sailed on the Great Lakes durring World War 2. They were originally named "Seeandbee" and "SS Greater Buffalo".

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/28/2008 7:10:23 AM   
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Question from JGN:

(Q): Name the two United States Navy coal burning freshwater paddle-wheel aircraft carriers that sailed on the Great Lakes durring World War 2. They were originally named "Seeandbee" and "SS Greater Buffalo".

USS Sable and USS Wolverine. I always remember them because of their incongruous names and because the concept of a coal-fired paddle powered aircraft carrier seems so strange. They were used for training and were very austere.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/28/2008 9:46:10 AM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/28/2008 12:15:02 PM   
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not sure if this one has been asked before ... which WWII General has a _ship_ named after him?

(maybe there is more than one?)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGS_Rommel_(D187)

There was more then one!

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/28/2008 11:38:26 PM   
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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/29/2008 2:34:48 AM   
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I was thinking about the Rommel. I would think the Russians might have done this at some point too?


And at least a third...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_aircraft_carrier_Charles_de_Gaulle

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 11/29/2008 8:15:40 AM   
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not sure if this one has been asked before ... which WWII General has a _ship_ named after him?

(maybe there is more than one?)



There is at least one WWII general who has a minor planet named after him.
(maybe more than one?)

1) What is his name?
2) In what country was the very first monument to him erected?


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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 12:56:11 PM   
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What was the first successful Allied landing in WWII against an enemy held beach?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 1:53:25 PM   
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andy why did the authoroties take interest?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 3:00:13 PM   
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I need a fact verified and so thought I would resurrect this thread to see if anyone can confirm this.

What was the first successful Allied landing in WWII against an enemy held beach?


Mmm the Operation Torch landings in Algeria & Tunisia against Vichy held territories?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 3:03:39 PM   
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Can someone give me the name of a soviet officer who won one of the highest decorations in 1942 after successfull engagements against the whermacht south of Stalingrad.  This soviet officer would have the same name as a russian hero of the past.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 4:21:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

I need a fact verified and so thought I would resurrect this thread to see if anyone can confirm this.

What was the first successful Allied landing in WWII against an enemy held beach?


Mmm the Operation Torch landings in Algeria & Tunisia against Vichy held territories?

Warspite1

No - this is from 1941

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 4:21:46 PM   
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Me too I need a fact verified. 

Can someone give me the name of a soviet officer who won one of the highest decorations in 1942 after successfull engagements against the whermacht south of Stalingrad.  This soviet officer would have the same name as a russian hero of the past.

Warspite1

Kusnetzov?

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/30/2008 4:27:51 PM   
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who or what was the Blitz Witch?

andy why did the authoroties take interest?

Warspite1

This is the lady - Duncan? - who was a suppossed medium and told of contact from a sailor from the battleship Barham who had died when his ship was torpedoed in December 41?.

Because the Germans had failed to realise they had sunk her, the British authorities kept schtum too and therefore she should not have known about the loss at that time. I think she was arrested ahead of D-Day in case she gave secrets away.

Churchill was one of the biggest advocates of letting her go as he thought it was all a load of rubbish.

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RE: OT - WWII quiz - 12/31/2008 1:33:19 AM   
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