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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/19/2008 8:12:25 AM   
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boardgame - Britannia. Then at the age of 14 I went to a gaming convention were I saw alot of other cool looking games.
When I went to that CON the following year I tried Axis and Allies and Advanced Civilization (ok maybe not a
pure wargame but still)

PC - Civilization (again not a pure wargame but...), and the great classic from SSI - Panzer General which I still enjoy alot.

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/19/2008 8:53:01 AM   
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I was really interested in 20th Century military history and vaguely knew there were military games around but I don't think I'd ever seen one. I tried pretty unsuccessfully to make my own wargames using AD&G hex paper and to program one on my mid-80s Amstrad.

My first wargame came with a Strategy and Tactics magazine and was the excellent Case Green (a hypothetical 1938 German invasion of Czechoslovakia). I then bought some Arnhem(?)/West Wall one which was part of a much larger series where the maps all linked up to represent most of Northern France and the Low Countries. By the time my friend and I set it up we were too knackered to play. It looked great though and it stayed like that until my girlfriend started giving me grief and it went back in the box, never to be played . I foolishly chucked-out those games when I moved away to join the Air Force. Luckily, when randomly searching recently I picked up a mint copy of the S&T Case Green edition on eBay for $US10. It felt good to have it again. The articles on the Czech military and defences are excellent BTW.

In about 1992 I discovered the 5th edition of World in Flames in my local hobby shop and knew I had to have it. I taught my friend to play it once I had worked most of it out and we really enjoyed its vast scale and scope. There was always quite a bit of ideologically-based, 1940s-style trash talk..."Your mass of Russian untermensch are a rabble and are no match for my disciplined Aryan supermen! Oh bugger...a bad roll". We both used to think, "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if there was a computer version of this?". Well, only 16 years or so later there soon will be and I'm stoked to play a small role in its development.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/19/2008 8:55:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Neilster
We both used to think, "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if there was a computer version of this?". Well, only 16 years or so later there soon will be
Cheers, Neilster



Hehe know what you mean, I actually registered an account at ADG in -96 so that all I had to do was click the buy icon when CWiF was complete...

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/19/2008 11:30:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

I was really interested in 20th Century military history and vaguely knew there were military games around but I don't think I'd ever seen one. I tried pretty unsuccessfully to make my own wargames using AD&G hex paper and to program one on my mid-80s Amstrad.

My first wargame came with a Strategy and Tactics magazine and was the excellent Case Green (a hypothetical 1938 German invasion of Czechoslovakia). I then bought some Arnhem(?)/West Wall one which was part of a much larger series where the maps all linked up to represent most of Northern France and the Low Countries. By the time my friend and I set it up we were too knackered to play. It looked great though and it stayed like that until my girlfriend started giving me grief and it went back in the box, never to be played . I foolishly chucked-out those games when I moved away to join the Air Force. Luckily, when randomly searching recently I picked up a mint copy of the S&T Case Green edition on eBay for $US10. It felt good to have it again. The articles on the Czech military and defences are excellent BTW.

In about 1992 I discovered the 5th edition of World in Flames in my local hobby shop and knew I had to have it. I taught my friend to play it once I had worked most of it out and we really enjoyed its vast scale and scope. There was always quite a bit of ideologically-based, 1940s-style trash talk..."Your mass of Russian untermensch are a rabble and are no match for my disciplined Aryan supermen! Oh bugger...a bad roll". We both used to think, "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if there was a computer version of this?". Well, only 16 years or so later there soon will be and I'm stoked to play a small role in its development.

Cheers, Neilster


Neilster. I have a question for you. I, too, played WiF, 5th edetion complete. So even though I haven't played it in over 10 years, I am afraid for my life how I am going to fare when it comes out on pc. I guess the question is: am I going to be ok, knowing the game like i do, but with the complexity of the game being converted into the computer, will I be able to pick up on it in a relatively short period of time?


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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/20/2008 6:25:29 AM   
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Toy soldiers as a kid and then graduated to then newly published 1914, Jutland and Bismarck (AH).  Ran through Blitzkrieg, WITE (S&T) and so on...  Later GDW's Crimea, DNO and the Assault series.  Was a long-time S&T and Wargamer subscriber and bought my first C64 just for wargaming (although as far as the Wife was concerned, I needed for work).  That would have been in 1988 or 89 if I recall correctly. and early games were Silent Service and First Over Germany.

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/20/2008 8:14:53 AM   
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I'd always been nuts for history, particularly military history, so when we were in Florida on vacation when I was 10 and I saw the box for AH's Bismarck, I just had to have it.   And thus my wargaming obsession was born :)

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/20/2008 8:56:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: panzers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

I was really interested in 20th Century military history and vaguely knew there were military games around but I don't think I'd ever seen one. I tried pretty unsuccessfully to make my own wargames using AD&G hex paper and to program one on my mid-80s Amstrad.

My first wargame came with a Strategy and Tactics magazine and was the excellent Case Green (a hypothetical 1938 German invasion of Czechoslovakia). I then bought some Arnhem(?)/West Wall one which was part of a much larger series where the maps all linked up to represent most of Northern France and the Low Countries. By the time my friend and I set it up we were too knackered to play. It looked great though and it stayed like that until my girlfriend started giving me grief and it went back in the box, never to be played . I foolishly chucked-out those games when I moved away to join the Air Force. Luckily, when randomly searching recently I picked up a mint copy of the S&T Case Green edition on eBay for $US10. It felt good to have it again. The articles on the Czech military and defences are excellent BTW.

In about 1992 I discovered the 5th edition of World in Flames in my local hobby shop and knew I had to have it. I taught my friend to play it once I had worked most of it out and we really enjoyed its vast scale and scope. There was always quite a bit of ideologically-based, 1940s-style trash talk..."Your mass of Russian untermensch are a rabble and are no match for my disciplined Aryan supermen! Oh bugger...a bad roll". We both used to think, "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if there was a computer version of this?". Well, only 16 years or so later there soon will be and I'm stoked to play a small role in its development.

Cheers, Neilster


Neilster. I have a question for you. I, too, played WiF, 5th edetion complete. So even though I haven't played it in over 10 years, I am afraid for my life how I am going to fare when it comes out on pc. I guess the question is: am I going to be ok, knowing the game like i do, but with the complexity of the game being converted into the computer, will I be able to pick up on it in a relatively short period of time?




Head over to the MWiF forums and look at the threeads there, you should be able to recognize most if not all of the stuff from when you played the game. (With some new rules as an exception)

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/20/2008 3:02:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: panzers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

I was really interested in 20th Century military history and vaguely knew there were military games around but I don't think I'd ever seen one. I tried pretty unsuccessfully to make my own wargames using AD&G hex paper and to program one on my mid-80s Amstrad.

My first wargame came with a Strategy and Tactics magazine and was the excellent Case Green (a hypothetical 1938 German invasion of Czechoslovakia). I then bought some Arnhem(?)/West Wall one which was part of a much larger series where the maps all linked up to represent most of Northern France and the Low Countries. By the time my friend and I set it up we were too knackered to play. It looked great though and it stayed like that until my girlfriend started giving me grief and it went back in the box, never to be played . I foolishly chucked-out those games when I moved away to join the Air Force. Luckily, when randomly searching recently I picked up a mint copy of the S&T Case Green edition on eBay for $US10. It felt good to have it again. The articles on the Czech military and defences are excellent BTW.

In about 1992 I discovered the 5th edition of World in Flames in my local hobby shop and knew I had to have it. I taught my friend to play it once I had worked most of it out and we really enjoyed its vast scale and scope. There was always quite a bit of ideologically-based, 1940s-style trash talk..."Your mass of Russian untermensch are a rabble and are no match for my disciplined Aryan supermen! Oh bugger...a bad roll". We both used to think, "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if there was a computer version of this?". Well, only 16 years or so later there soon will be and I'm stoked to play a small role in its development.

Cheers, Neilster


Neilster. I have a question for you. I, too, played WiF, 5th edetion complete. So even though I haven't played it in over 10 years, I am afraid for my life how I am going to fare when it comes out on pc. I guess the question is: am I going to be ok, knowing the game like i do, but with the complexity of the game being converted into the computer, will I be able to pick up on it in a relatively short period of time?



MWiF (Matrix World in Flames) should actually be easier to play than cardboard WiF in many respects as the PC will take care of so much administration and rule checking. If you're familiar with the 5th edition, there are not all that many new concepts to learn (and old ones to unlearn). The MWiF forum has extensive tutorials that you can study already and supportive posters who'll answer any questions you have. The developer Steve is going out of his way to include potential customers in the development and is keen to help people get into the game. If you haven't done so, check it out.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/20/2008 6:18:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster


quote:

ORIGINAL: panzers


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster

I was really interested in 20th Century military history and vaguely knew there were military games around but I don't think I'd ever seen one. I tried pretty unsuccessfully to make my own wargames using AD&G hex paper and to program one on my mid-80s Amstrad.

My first wargame came with a Strategy and Tactics magazine and was the excellent Case Green (a hypothetical 1938 German invasion of Czechoslovakia). I then bought some Arnhem(?)/West Wall one which was part of a much larger series where the maps all linked up to represent most of Northern France and the Low Countries. By the time my friend and I set it up we were too knackered to play. It looked great though and it stayed like that until my girlfriend started giving me grief and it went back in the box, never to be played . I foolishly chucked-out those games when I moved away to join the Air Force. Luckily, when randomly searching recently I picked up a mint copy of the S&T Case Green edition on eBay for $US10. It felt good to have it again. The articles on the Czech military and defences are excellent BTW.

In about 1992 I discovered the 5th edition of World in Flames in my local hobby shop and knew I had to have it. I taught my friend to play it once I had worked most of it out and we really enjoyed its vast scale and scope. There was always quite a bit of ideologically-based, 1940s-style trash talk..."Your mass of Russian untermensch are a rabble and are no match for my disciplined Aryan supermen! Oh bugger...a bad roll". We both used to think, "Man, wouldn't it be awesome if there was a computer version of this?". Well, only 16 years or so later there soon will be and I'm stoked to play a small role in its development.

Cheers, Neilster


Neilster. I have a question for you. I, too, played WiF, 5th edetion complete. So even though I haven't played it in over 10 years, I am afraid for my life how I am going to fare when it comes out on pc. I guess the question is: am I going to be ok, knowing the game like i do, but with the complexity of the game being converted into the computer, will I be able to pick up on it in a relatively short period of time?



MWiF (Matrix World in Flames) should actually be easier to play than cardboard WiF in many respects as the PC will take care of so much administration and rule checking. If you're familiar with the 5th edition, there are not all that many new concepts to learn (and old ones to unlearn). The MWiF forum has extensive tutorials that you can study already and supportive posters who'll answer any questions you have. The developer Steve is going out of his way to include potential customers in the development and is keen to help people get into the game. If you haven't done so, check it out.

Cheers, Neilster

Thank you. I have visited the forum from time to time and have peeked ot the game development thread, and last I heard. Steve was no longer taking any more applications for beta testing. So, as far as I know, that still stands unless you were to tell me otherwise. I have a thread on there that was about at least making it an optional rule to have DODII, but he does not want to do that as of yet. I heard tha DODIII was overkill, so if he were to ever do that, I would hope he would update it with DODII.

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/20/2008 8:10:03 PM   
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Steve had negotiations with Matrix about what to include. For release 1 of MWiF it was decided not to include DOD and to stick to a Sep/Oct 39 start. I'm not sure what's happening with release 2 but I think DOD stuff is being considered.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/21/2008 12:08:53 AM   
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Back in 1962 when I was eleven, my 16 year old brother bought the original Avalon Hill Gettysburg. It was hard to find anyone to play so out of desperation he asked me to be his enemy. I won and was hooked on wargames for good. Over the next quite a few years I purchased most every Avalon Hill game and a spattering of other company games.

Eventually a new contraption came out and I purchased an Apple IIc and found a primitive computer Gettysburg to play on it. I moved on to the PC a few years later and have gone through the wargame changes ever since. I still tend to prefer games that look and play a lot like the old board games of old. In fact, I wish they could/would just put out the old games remaining true to those classic games of years past.

So here I am some 46 years later still hooked and wasting my time and money on war games.

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/21/2008 3:23:37 AM   
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A cousin introduced me to the hobby. We were supposed to go to the movies, but we all pooled our money together and went to the KB Hobbies in the mall and got a game he wanted. Don't remember which it was, I do remember getting in trouble over it :). He also had some SPI games I think. That year I got Tactics II, and I got Victory in the Pacific for Christmas. This was probably around 4th grade. Took off from there. Starting in Jr high I went to a weekly game night at a game store in town and kept going until I left for college. When I joined the Army I kind of fell away from the boardgame version of the hobby, but started getting more into computer wargames. I remember that my pc was very popular at the Defense Language Institute. Everyone would line up to get time on it playing Civilization when it first came out. I think my first computer wargames though would have been some Grigsby titles for the C-64. I think there were 3 of them, Typhoon of Steel, Panzer Strike, and Overrun. Norm Koger's Red Ligthning was an early title for the PC that I had.

I wish I had my collection of games from when I was growing up, but they were casualties when my dad's basement took on water during the floods of '93 and I was off at Ft. Hood. I have been able to restock my collection pretty well since I started back up the boardgames these past few years.


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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/21/2008 6:46:28 PM   
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Blitzkrieg and AH Waterloo about 35 years ago. Played with my brother and a buddy.

Just played 7 Ages with them yesterday so still going strong!

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RE: How did you get started in wargaming? - 7/21/2008 11:53:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

Back in 1962 when I was eleven, my 16 year old brother bought the original Avalon Hill Gettysburg. It was hard to find anyone to play so out of desperation he asked me to be his enemy. I won and was hooked on wargames for good. Over the next quite a few years I purchased most every Avalon Hill game and a spattering of other company games.

Eventually a new contraption came out and I purchased an Apple IIc and found a primitive computer Gettysburg to play on it. I moved on to the PC a few years later and have gone through the wargame changes ever since. I still tend to prefer games that look and play a lot like the old board games of old. In fact, I wish they could/would just put out the old games remaining true to those classic games of years past.

So here I am some 46 years later still hooked and wasting my time and money on war games.


Hmm not sure I agree about the term wasting

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