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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 5:59:43 PM   
Jason Petho


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Again...update to a modded weapons file platoon file that we as a user could do....but in your capacity of I don't know what has said No can't do that because of some PBEM cheating issues. That is not me nor some others that support this game by our purchase thereby supporting Matrix. You could supply the those files to those that wish it. Then you could be free of this whole ordeal


Kind of defeats the purpose, no?

You could also start posting the files that you have modded that you would like to be encrypted.

I haven't seen anything yet.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:03:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I should not have to that is the point Jason. You should not have the dictatrial stature as to say what goes in or not. It does not defeat it.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:07:09 PM   
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I should not have to that is the point Jason. You should not have the dictatrial stature as to say what goes in or not. It does not defeat it.


I have no say of what you do to your installation. You have the power to choose what updates you want installed on your machine.

If you wish to mod, and find it such a hassle to post a file to have encrypted, then don't install 1.03.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:11:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think what barker wants is a game that he can mod without restrictions or interference.  If I understand correctly, he could do that with the Talonsoft version but cannot do that with the Matrix version.  As long as he can't mod without restrictions or interference, I don't think he'll be happy with his purchase.

If I understand him correctly, I think his position is when he purchases a game, he also purchases the right to mod without restrictions or interference, so he feels like he got less than what he paid for.  He described the files as public.  I'm not sure they're public even after a purchase.  They might be copyrighted.  I don't know.  My impression is it's the seller's prerogative what to encrypt to discourage mods. 

I don't have a dog in this fight.   I do think barker could be a major contributor to the game with his mods, so I'd hate to see him take his toys and leave.  I'd like barker to stick around. 

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:13:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why should I as a purchaser keep my software at a certain level when you as GOD has the say so as to what I can or cannot do. Jason you are a talented person but you could supply those files to the users that wish it. This is tupid I asked for a refund from Matrix which will get denied because I should have waited for the final build. 1.02 is good 1.03 is good. Here is a question:
If the files the ones we are speaking of in 1.02 gets modded and overwrites the 1.03 what is the ramifications:
A will the engine crash
B will the editor quit working
C Will the Platoon files be read and used
D will the newly created Wepons crashe the game

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:14:06 PM   
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If I understand him correctly, I think his position is when he purchases a game, he also purchases the right to mod without restrictions or interference, so he feels like he got less than what he paid for. He described the files as public. I'm not sure they're public even after a purchase. They might be copyrighted.


I wasn't aware this game, nor many of Matrix's offerings, were open source?

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:17:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		you as a modder , a user, has modified so I presume it is open source therefore not in violation....correct

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:17:54 PM   
Jason Petho


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Why should I as a purchaser keep my software at a certain level when you as GOD has the say so as to what I can or cannot do. Jason you are a talented person but you could supply those files to the users that wish it. This is tupid I asked for a refund from Matrix which will get denied because I should have waited for the final build. 1.02 is good 1.03 is good. Here is a question:
If the files the ones we are speaking of in 1.02 gets modded and overwrites the 1.03 what is the ramifications:
A will the engine crash
B will the editor quit working
C Will the Platoon files be read and used
D will the newly created Wepons crashe the game


Files created using 1.02 will not function in 1.03. You'll have a system crash.

SOLUTION

Install JTCS.

UPDATE it to 1.02.

In Windows Explorer, create a new folder (BETA, MODS, MYMCS, whatever)

Paste the game to that folder.

UPDATE the first install to 1.03

Mod to your hearts content in the 1.02 install.

Thereby you can have both versions 1.02 and 1.03 on your machine.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:20:04 PM   
Jason Petho


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you as a modder , a user, has modified so I presume it is open source therefore not in violation....correct


With the blessings and encouragement from Matrix, members of the Campaign Series Legion have access to the source files, which are not available to the general public.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:20:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		THE ENCLOSED SOFTWARE PROGRAM AND THIS MANUAL ARE COPYRIGHTED.  ALL RIGHTS ARE RESERVED.  THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER MAY PRINT OR HAVE A PRINT/COPY SHOP MAKE A PRINTOUT AND/OR COPY OF THE MANUAL.  MATRIX PUBLISHING, LLC  GRANTS THE ORIGINAL PURCHASER OF THIS SOFTWARE PACKAGE THE RIGHT TO USE ONE COPY OF THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM. YOU MAY NOT RENT OR LEASE IT, DISASSEMBLE, DECOMPILE, REVERSE ENGINEER, OR MODIFY THE SOFTWARE IN ANY WAY.  ALL EDITORS MAY BE USED TO CREATE SCENARIOS THAT MAY BE FREELY DISTRIBUTED.  ALL SCENARIO AUTHORS HOLD THE ULTIMATE RIGHTS TO THEIR DESIGNED SCENARIOS AND MATRIX PUBLISHING, LLC  MAKES NO CLAIMS THEREOF.  YOU MAY NOT COPY OR DISTRIBUTE COPIES IN ANY MEDIA FORM. ANY PERSONS DOING SO SHALL BE GUILTY OF COPYRIGHT VIOLATION AND SUBJECT TO THE APPROPRIATE CIVIL OR CRIMINAL ACTION AT THE DISCRETION OF THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER.© 2007 MATRIX PUBLISHING, LLC.  ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. MATRIX PUBLISHING, LLC. AND THE MATRIX PUBLISHING,

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:21:12 PM   
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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:21:49 PM   
Jason Petho


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YOU MAY NOT RENT OR LEASE IT, DISASSEMBLE, DECOMPILE, REVERSE ENGINEER, OR MODIFY THE SOFTWARE IN ANY WAY.  ALL EDITORS MAY BE USED TO CREATE SCENARIOS THAT MAY BE FREELY DISTRIBUTED. 


There you go, according to that you don't need the encryption tool at all.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:27:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Surely the current version of JTCS is vastly superior to the last Talonsoft version, with much more to come? Why would anybody want to use the Talonsoft version when this new updated product is available.

I don't think you can argue that JTCS is not the product you expected it to be, all the updates so far have been discussed in depth on the forums long before they have been released, much more so than most game titles I've ever come across. Is the answer just don't patch past a certain level if there are things you want to do for yourself?

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:39:42 PM   
marcbarker


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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		That is the executable...not the open file structure that you encrypted

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:42:47 PM   
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ALL SCENARIO AUTHORS HOLD THE ULTIMATE RIGHTS TO THEIR DESIGNED SCENARIOS AND MATRIX PUBLISHING, LLC  MAKES NO CLAIMS THEREOF. which enatils creation of platoons Jason


*.SCN files (the actual completed scenario file) is not the same as platoon files.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:47:53 PM   
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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:49:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		besides you said yourself do not use the stock oob editor...rising sun editor crashes, will not get past line 3. so we cannot create squat in rising sun

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:50:50 PM   
Jason Petho


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this a legal question or a suposition on your belief


A scenario is defined as:

The YOURSCENARIO.scn file.
The YOURSCENARIO.org file.
The YOURSCENARIO.map file.
The YOURSCENARIO.bmp file.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:55:58 PM   
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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:56:54 PM   
Jason Petho


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how can you create a .org when the editor does not work? or crash


Works fine in West Front, which this thread is referring to.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:57:24 PM   
marcbarker


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Status: offline 		it is part of the software i purchased. Also since the OOb's or torqued the editor in WF does not function correctly, Rising sun. This is sttock program with the purchase.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:58:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I posted the thread to rising sun in tech support and no responses from the official beat brigade or a solution

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:58:44 PM   
Jason Petho


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it is part of the software i purchased.


What is?

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 6:59:10 PM   
Jason Petho


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I posted the thread to rising sun in tech support and no responses from the official beat brigade or a solution


Solution will come with the pending 1.04 UPDATE. A week away.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 7:01:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		OOB editors, Map Editors etc. Is there a way to turn the update download to where you download the file instead of it blindly installing.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 7:02:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing all the fixes are going to be in the next update and then 2 years before another one.....GReeeaaaat

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 7:02:44 PM   
Jason Petho


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OOB editors, Map Editors etc. Is there a way to turn the update download to where you download the file instead of it blindly installing.


Not sure. Try updating a "dud" location.

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 7:04:16 PM   
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Amazing all the fixes are going to be in the next update and then 2 years before another one.....GReeeaaaat


Great indeed!

How exciting that it is still being supported and will be in the future, especially long term future!

Yay!

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RE: WEST FRONT update 2010-2011 - 8/15/2008 7:15:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just wany the software I purchase to work without having to tweek it...that a good compromise.....I just want it fixed...the whole package if it can't there is another reason for refunds. Scenatios cannot be created in Rising sun so a third of the software is non working

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